PSA to grade Star cards

[grade]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

7 centering lol

PSA would knock this down to a 7

Might have to go to CGC/CSG for a better result. Might get a 8.5 or 9 on centering.

[aro13]

Aside from the discussion about who can detect if Star Company cards are Type 1 or Type II or have been counterfeited, PSA entering the grading of Star Company cards can only be a good thing for collectors of these basketball cards.
If people start to put together registry sets including these Star cards the demand will go way up and the supply is low relative to other basketball cards.

[Illustrious]

Waiting for the inevitable internet arguments now on what Jordan's "true" second year card is, the 1985-86 #117 Star or the '87 Fleer.

[Beavers98]

I think it's good news overall for Hobby. The PSA pumpers will have a field day with the about-face that is about to happen. Star RC's for some of these player is great, and I'd like to get some, but still being pack pulled means something to me and those like minded. Star was not. (In references to Star vs. Fleer debate)

[YouTheManNick]

Originally Posted by Beavers98

but still being pack pulled means something to me and those like minded. Star was not. (In references to Star vs. Fleer debate)

^^^^^^^^^^

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

Looks like they are only doing 1984-85 Star cards in the beginning from the podcast.

Originally Posted by Hellcat

It might be just the 84/85 set for now. Not sure on the details.

Hmm, so they're ONLY going to be grading the one year with the big card in it......

[hairyangryfella]

And would you look at that, just as this news came to light, Goldin happen to be auctioning both a BGS graded MJ (to cross?) and an uncut sheet.......

[mkebucks2001]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

And would you look at that, just as this news came to light, Goldin happen to be auctioning both a BGS graded MJ (to cross?) and an uncut sheet.......

Star cards are in nearly every auction. The consignor had good timing though!

[arenasmvp]

I've got a few BGS graded Jordan 101's that I'd love to cross over.. very curious to see how PSA graded ones sell in comparison to the Beckett ones. Right now, there is a huge price jump between BGS 8 and BGS 8.5 (about 50% more for the extra half grade bump).. I have to assume both of these (BGS 8 & BGS 8.5) would become PSA 8's, so it will be interesting to see if that sort of premium holds or if there won't be such a huge gap going forward.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Hmm, so they're ONLY going to be grading the one year with the big card in it......

It’$ almo$t like they are only concerned about $omething but I can’t put my finger$ on what it i$.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

It’$ almo$t like they are only concerned about $omething but I can’t put my finger$ on what it i$.

I guarantee they will grade other years eventually. Maybe every 10 years or so they will provide their graders with enough training to accurately determine authenticity. 1985-86 Star Co PSA grading by 2032!

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by mc1

I guarantee they will grade other years eventually. Maybe every 10 years or so they will provide their graders with enough training to accurately determine authenticity. 1985-86 Star Co PSA grading by 2032!

I guarantee they haven’t put too much effort into training their graders.

But this year will bring big revenue so have at it boys.

[2010GBPackers]

Great news for the hobby. Once I read Nat's interview in BCF, it was clear as day this would eventually happen:

Quoting from Nat's interview with @thereal27guy (Basketball Card Fanatic Magazine, March 2021):

27guy: "If you could only choose to collect LeBron, Jordan, or Kobe, - the three guys you've posted the most recently - if you had to choose to collect one of them, which would it be?"

Nat: "Jordan." [before question was even finished]

27guy: "Ironically, I know you have a PSA 10 (of the Fleer #57 Jordan), but I don't know that it's the most important card to you. I don't want to put words in your mouth though. Can you talk about what that card means to you and what you think of it?"

Nat: "I probably have a somewhat controversial opinion on that card. I have a BGS 9.5 that is .5 away from being a 10 - it has two 10's and two 9.5's - and I have a PSA 10, and that's because I'm doing the 1986 Fleer set in PSA 10 - I have like 20 cards left. But to be blunt, it's not actually Michael Jordan's rookie card. He'd been playing in the league for two years before that, so his rookie card is in fact the Star card from '84-'85, which is a beautiful card, the red bordered one."



I'll be crossing mine as soon as I can.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I guarantee they haven’t put too much effort into training their graders.

But this year will bring big revenue so have at it boys.

Its called sarcasm buddy.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by mc1

Its called sarcasm buddy.

You and K13 should do a podcast.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

Great news for the hobby. Once I read Nat's interview in BCF, it was clear as day this would eventually happen:

Quoting from Nat's interview with @thereal27guy (Basketball Card Fanatic Magazine, March 2021):

27guy: "If you could only choose to collect LeBron, Jordan, or Kobe, - the three guys you've posted the most recently - if you had to choose to collect one of them, which would it be?"

Nat: "Jordan." [before question was even finished]

27guy: "Ironically, I know you have a PSA 10 (of the Fleer #57 Jordan), but I don't know that it's the most important card to you. I don't want to put words in your mouth though. Can you talk about what that card means to you and what you think of it?"

Nat: "I probably have a somewhat controversial opinion on that card. I have a BGS 9.5 that is .5 away from being a 10 - it has two 10's and two 9.5's - and I have a PSA 10, and that's because I'm doing the 1986 Fleer set in PSA 10 - I have like 20 cards left. But to be blunt, it's not actually Michael Jordan's rookie card. He'd been playing in the league for two years before that, so his rookie card is in fact the Star card from '84-'85, which is a beautiful card, the red bordered one."



I'll be crossing mine as soon as I can.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder at times, I'll vouch for the deep Bulls-red of the borders in that release (which isn't quite matched on the '85-86 #117).

But for a good look at MJ's face? Nuh-uh. The #117 for that, or even the 86F. Would be a shame if MJ had no early card with a pic better than the #101, yes?

[mc1]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You and K13 should do a podcast.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by mc1

The Joy of Clecting.

I’d subscribe.

[Spfld Ponies]

I have several big questions like, will PSA (rightly) deduct for the many centering issues, most of which BGS let slide? Not just left /right, which are easy to see, but even top to bottom is flawed. A consistent standard for top/bottom centering was never followed by the TGPs.

Another is, how will they treat the poorly cut and mis-sized cards, some of which may be the result of sheet cuts in recent years sold by the Schonco / Higbee connection. As it is, I've never seen a Jordan #195 or Jordan #288 from the 84-85 set that deserved even a grade of 8 due to centering on the front or miscut on the back. Never.

Apart from authenticity, which I believe can firmly be determined, their are numerous grading challenges. I believe all Type II's should be rejected, along with the Jordan 10-card set, the Magic Set, and the "Best of" sets.

[Starman1975]

Originally Posted by mfw13

I wonder how many reprints/fakes will get slabbed as authentic......there are A LOT of Star reprints out there.....

Star was never reprinted. You must be referring to counterfeits

[Springerj23]

Nat posted the 1st one graded, a former BGS 8.5 that PSA gave an 8.

[arenasmvp]

Originally Posted by Springerj23

Nat posted the 1st one graded, a former BGS 8.5 that PSA gave an 8.

Really curious to see how the PSA 8 would do at auction compared to how the BGS 8.5's have been selling. An 8.5 just went for $36k, an 8 sold before that for $22k. Guessing the PSA 8 is worth somewhere in the middle.

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by arenasmvp

Really curious to see how the PSA 8 would do at auction compared to how the BGS 8.5's have been selling. An 8.5 just went for $36k, an 8 sold before that for $22k. Guessing the PSA 8 is worth somewhere in the middle.

That PSA copy will easily outsell the $36k, BGS 8.5 price. There are some really bad BGS examples of this card that are overgraded - even 8.5's. The one he posted is a strong PSA 8. Very good centering for the issue and decent corners. There would be plenty of BGS 8.5 crosses to PSA 7's if submitters cracked them out instead of trying to cross them in the case. I actually expect a small number of PSA copies to surface (relative to how many are expected) because PSA is going to hammer down some of those BGS grades.

Say you have a BGS 8. What's the lowest grade you'd accept from PSA in order to cross it?

[arenasmvp]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

That PSA copy will easily outsell the $36k, BGS 8.5 price. There are some really bad BGS examples of this card that are overgraded - even 8.5's. The one he posted is a strong PSA 8. Very good centering for the issue and decent corners. There would be plenty of BGS 8.5 crosses to PSA 7's if submitters cracked them out instead of trying to cross them in the case. I actually expect a small number of PSA copies to surface (relative to how many are expected) because PSA is going to hammer down some of those BGS grades.

Say you have a BGS 8. What's the lowest grade you'd accept from PSA in order to cross it?

That makes sense. I have a few (BGS 7.5, BGS 8, BGS 8.5) and would love to cross them over but want to see how the crossovers go for other people first. I feel like the 7.5, I'd be dumb not to crack it out myself and send in raw (because I don't see them bumping it to an 8), the BGS 8 I'd happily swap for a PSA 8 holder, the 8.5 I feel like is best left alone. But time will tell.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

That PSA copy will easily outsell the $36k, BGS 8.5 price. There are some really bad BGS examples of this card that are overgraded - even 8.5's. The one he posted is a strong PSA 8. Very good centering for the issue and decent corners. There would be plenty of BGS 8.5 crosses to PSA 7's if submitters cracked them out instead of trying to cross them in the case. I actually expect a small number of PSA copies to surface (relative to how many are expected) because PSA is going to hammer down some of those BGS grades.

Say you have a BGS 8. What's the lowest grade you'd accept from PSA in order to cross it?

it's not like it's not well-known that PSA grades tougher than BGS given any number of pop reports and eye-tests ( )

From what I've seen, a 8.5 from either BGS or SGC (I haven't bothered with the other grading companies) typically sells for a bit more than a PSA 8. (generically speaking, not this card per se)