Juan Soto Rejects $440M Offer From Nats

[Jaypers]

Per Ken Rosenthal. Would have made him the highest paid player in baseball.

Looks as though the Nats' farm system will soon be getting a whole lot better. They're entertaining trades.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/...0mm-offer.html

[SethMurphy]

I'm just curious that if they pull off a trade, just how insane of a haul they get. I mean Soto is the player you get multiple top prospects and immediate major league impact players for.

I would trade basically anything on the Yankees for him honestly (not that we can afford him since we have to pay Judge, and are paying stupid monster deals to Cole/Stanton/Chapman already)

[majestik101]

Trade Trout. Then bring Soto to the Angels!

[KhalDrogo]

Good. The franchise isn’t committed to winning. Get him to a winner.

[djdevon]

Not a good time for Soto to turn down 440 million given how awful his numbers are right now.

[BBases31]

There's basically zero chance that $440 million number is present value. The Nationals are notorious for putting tons of deferred money into contracts. I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like $300 million plus $140 million deferred for a long time to bring the "true" contract number under $400 million.

Good for him for betting on himself. He'd get $500 million on the open market

[jjo1776]

Originally Posted by djdevon

Not a good time for Soto to turn down 440 million given how awful his numbers are right now.

Lol he’s been playing well the past couple weeks…

[BigSlim16]

Rosenthal said the offer did not include any deferred money

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by djdevon

Not a good time for Soto to turn down 440 million given how awful his numbers are right now.

Awful numbers? What? He's 7th in the NL with an .895 OPS, on pace for 35 HRs, has the best BB/K rate in the league, #3 in the NL in xwOBA. If that's awful, what's not awful???

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by BigSlim16

Rosenthal said the offer did not include any deferred money

BBases with the rare swing and a miss. Wild

[Remmons22]

Originally Posted by SethMurphy

I'm just curious that if they pull off a trade, just how insane of a haul they get. I mean Soto is the player you get multiple top prospects and immediate major league impact players for.

I would trade basically anything on the Yankees for him honestly (not that we can afford him since we have to pay Judge, and are paying stupid monster deals to Cole/Stanton/Chapman already)

Let's be honest, you'd be replacing Judge with Soto. I believe chapman's a free agent after 2022 as well. Lots of big contracts as you said but if he's available, you need to try and get him.

[BBases31]

Eh looks like it was essentially a lifetime contract offer. 15 years to take him to 38. He's worth far more than 30 a year averaged out over that timeline

[Remmons22]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Awful numbers? What? He's 7th in the NL with an .895 OPS, on pace for 35 HRs, has the best BB/K rate in the league, #3 in the NL in xwOBA. If that's awful, what's not awful???

Right, his babip is 60 points below his career average so there's chance he's getting unlucky. Every team should be trying to trade for him while they have the chance. Unless we find out he's been juicing his first 5 years of his career, there's little to no chance any prospect performs like he does. This feels like a win no matter what your team gives up.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by BBases31

There's basically zero chance that $440 million number is present value. The Nationals are notorious for putting tons of deferred money into contracts. I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like $300 million plus $140 million deferred for a long time to bring the "true" contract number under $400 million.

Good for him for betting on himself. He'd get $500 million on the open market

Washington Sports reporters are saying same as article, zero deferred

[JRX]

Has his camp given any sense at what they want? Does he want 400 for 10? More?

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[atk825]

Originally Posted by djdevon

Not a good time for Soto to turn down 440 million given how awful his numbers are right now.

He’s playing just as good as he was last year. He has essentially the exact same xwOBA, he’s just been fairly unlucky until a couple weeks ago. And if not playing well involves you having a .405 on base as a 24 year old, well…that’s how you turn down this contract.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by JRX

Has his camp given any sense at what they want? Does he want 400 for 10? More?

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Wanting more than $30M AAV seems reasonable.

[ewokpelts]

He has 2.5 years until UFA. How much is that worth if you’re trading for him? Washington will want either major league talent on team friendly deals, or a boatload of almost mlb ready prospects.

[gododgersfan]

Soto is leaving the Nationals. I do believe the offer is a solid one, but the endorsements from playing in LA or NY is something you just don't pass.

[roro17]

You think Baltimore makes a move? They have low payroll and could move some top prospects like Grayson Rodriguez, Gunnar Henderson, Hall, Cowser and talent like Mullins and Mancini

[phisouza33]

Smart move, he will still make more then enough money and won’t be stuck on a dog crap team like trout.
I bet if mike trout could go back and sign with a good franchise and and have a chance to win for a little less money he’d be all over that right now.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by JRX

Has his camp given any sense at what they want? Does he want 400 for 10? More?

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He’s going to get something like $55-60M in arbitration the next two years. Then he is a free agent. So 15/440 values his free agency at age 26 at 13/380 (29.2). Trout got 12/426 (35.5) at age 28. Not clear if Soto/Boras wants one contract that takes him to age 40, or if he wants another crack at free agency around age 30-32. Judging on how Soto has bet on himself, I’d say second contract.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

He has 2.5 years until UFA. How much is that worth if you’re trading for him? Washington will want either major league talent on team friendly deals, or a boatload of almost mlb ready prospects.

Dodgers got two months of a Cy Young level pitcher and 1.5 years of elite Trea Turner for two really good but not great prospects that were basically Major League ready.

[Soxrule111]

I would think a deal would have to include an extension in place but also a third team. You would basically be looking at hader + frelick Mitchell turang chourio and then hader to flipped for Mayer bello yorke downs

Just making up a scenario. But I think that’s the haul it would take. Two teams 3 top 5 guys from each

[StateEx]

As a Nats fan this is tough. On one hand, I want Soto around as long as possible. On the other hand, the Trout experience in Anaheim underlines that an all-time great alone does not make for a good team. And there's always risk of injury or other decline.