Is Juan Soto really 23? - Page 3

ninjacookies · 08-02-2022, 09:12 PM

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Bambino22 · 08-02-2022, 09:27 PM

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Clearly Juan Soto's prototype shuffle stare.

Handsome Wes · 08-02-2022, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by djdevon

Albert Pujols just turned 40

Sure he did…

LittleJimmies · 08-02-2022, 09:37 PM

Human growth hormones (aka puberty) are a hell of a drug.

CanadianKid · 08-02-2022, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LittleJimmies

Human growth hormones (aka puberty) are a hell of a drug.

Especially when you go through it twice, ask Mannings forehead.

jcmel323 · 08-02-2022, 10:12 PM

its very difficult to fake a birth certificate when your high school friends know you. It has happened several times with cubans but that's a different story. There's basically no papers.

Yes, it has also happened in Dominican Republic but not recently.

Having said that., the new norm is to send the kid to miami high school one or two grades lower. They put in the papers that he failed school and need to repeat the grade. That way the kid will look way more dominant that the other kids in his grade. The kid destroys highschool league with insane numbers and rest its history.

The kid stays in miami with a stranger that take cares of him. That caretaker is being paid behind closed doors. Usually the caretaker have 3-8 kids with the same story.

Bambino22 · 08-02-2022, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jcmel323

its very difficult to fake a birth certificate when your high school friends know you. It has happened several times with cubans but that's a different story. There's basically no papers.

Yes, it has also happened in Dominican Republic but not recently.

Having said that., the new norm is to send the kid to miami high school one or two grades lower. They put in the papers that he failed school and need to repeat the grade. That way the kid will look way more dominant that the other kids in his grade. The kid destroys highschool league with insane numbers and rest its history.

The kid stays in miami with a stranger that take cares of him. That caretaker is being paid behind closed doors. Usually the caretaker have 3-8 kids with the same story.

Are your second two paragraphs intended to be serious or a joke. I don't know.

quackhead · 08-02-2022, 11:53 PM

Tatis is #23 and Juan Soto is #22

CanadianKid · 08-03-2022, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by quackhead

Tatis is #23 and Juan Soto is #22

I legit miss hearing that

TheHeel · 08-03-2022, 11:36 AM

What's my age again?

BGeezy · 08-03-2022, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bambino22

Are your second two paragraphs intended to be serious or a joke. I don't know.

You'd be shocked at the crazy things that happen like this in Miami, so I wouldn’t be surprised.

dashcol · 08-03-2022, 12:01 PM

So I have never understood, when you are being drafted by MLB what is the benefit of lying and saying you are 15 instead of 20?

Does anyone really think Soto would not have been drafted if he was 20?

I do know in the DR, there are not very good records of birth, and some of these guys may not know how old they truly are, but that would more be I think I’m 15, but really he was 17.

Really though what is the point?

If Pujols was really 50 instead of 40, would that not be even more impressive what he has done?

LVDan · 08-03-2022, 12:04 PM

When Andy arrived at Shawshank I put Red at around 40 years old. Could be wrong but the receipts check out.

base set · 08-03-2022, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

When Andy arrived at Shawshank I put Red at around 40 years old. Could be wrong but the receipts check out.

I was thinking about posting that card. Makes me think Soto is young (Swingers, Made) Jon Favreau’s lost older brother.

ScooterD · 08-03-2022, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dashcol

So I have never understood, when you are being drafted by MLB what is the benefit of lying and saying you are 15 instead of 20?

Does anyone really think Soto would not have been drafted if he was 20?

I do know in the DR, there are not very good records of birth, and some of these guys may not know how old they truly are, but that would more be I think I’m 15, but really he was 17.

Really though what is the point?

If Pujols was really 50 instead of 40, would that not be even more impressive what he has done?

I think the reasoning is that, when deciding whether to provide two equally-skilled prospects the same $, training, opportunities, and coaching, the younger of the two will improve more than the older - or, even if both improve at the same rate, you can have a MLB player on a rookie contract at 21 instead of 23.

So much of this is on the assumption that players will improve until age X, and skills will start to decline at age Y. Even if Pujols’ age is accurate, he peaked before expected and regressed before expected

dashcol · 08-03-2022, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

I think the reasoning is that, when deciding whether to provide two equally-skilled prospects the same $, training, opportunities, and coaching, the younger of the two will improve more than the older - or, even if both improve at the same rate, you can have a MLB player on a rookie contract at 21 instead of 23.

So much of this is on the assumption that players will improve until age X, and skills will start to decline at age Y. Even if Pujols’ age is accurate, he peaked before expected and regressed before expected

I can see that, but MLB also drafts guys out of college at 22-23, knowing they may not be MLB ready until 26, and still pay high draft bonuses.

I can see the point you made though.

ScooterD · 08-03-2022, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dashcol

I can see that, but MLB also drafts guys out of college at 22-23, knowing they may not be MLB ready until 26, and still pay high draft bonuses.

I can see the point you made though.

I ask this in all honesty - do you think teams who draft college players expect them to spend less time in the minors than the international draftees? I would think so… but I really don’t know

whitmm · 08-03-2022, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dashcol

So I have never understood, when you are being drafted by MLB what is the benefit of lying and saying you are 15 instead of 20?

Does anyone really think Soto would not have been drafted if he was 20?

I do know in the DR, there are not very good records of birth, and some of these guys may not know how old they truly are, but that would more be I think I’m 15, but really he was 17.

Really though what is the point?

If Pujols was really 50 instead of 40, would that not be even more impressive what he has done?

Most of the lying starts before the draft. If you were 17 and lied and said you were 15, you'd most likely be playing against kids 2 years younger than you. So those great numbers you put up are misleading. Think of Danny Almonte in the LLWS. Your entire draft prospectus is based off you competing against people your same age, not people 2 years younger.

Then, on the other side, when free agency starts, you think a guy is 26-27 when he's really closer to 30. You offer a contract based on thinking he's just hitting his prime, instead of he's 2-3 years into it already. It affects the years offered and the per year amounts.

dashcol · 08-03-2022, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ScooterD

I ask this in all honesty - do you think teams who draft college players expect them to spend less time in the minors than the international draftees? I would think so… but I really don’t know

Very fair point, college time would be able to be more thought of as minor league time so they would be MLB ready earlier, very true.

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Originally Posted by whitmm

Most of the lying starts before the draft. If you were 17 and lied and said you were 15, you'd most likely be playing against kids 2 years younger than you. So those great numbers you put up are misleading. Think of Danny Almonte in the LLWS. Your entire draft prospectus is based off you competing against people your same age, not people 2 years younger.

Then, on the other side, when free agency starts, you think a guy is 26-27 when he's really closer to 30. You offer a contract based on thinking he's just hitting his prime, instead of he's 2-3 years into it already. It affects the years offered and the per year amounts.

Makes sense. It’s all about the deception then, not really the playing time necessarily.

JRX · 08-03-2022, 04:50 PM

But if everyone in the DR is lying about their age, then they are playing against age appropriate competition.

MIRRABB · 08-03-2022, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hammertime

The people questioning his age are also virtue signaling, which always goes both ways

CanadianKid · 08-03-2022, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MIRRABB

The people questioning his age are also virtue signaling, which always goes both ways

On a side note does this trade mean his 15-20 yr old brother isn't staying with the Nats? Pic from last summer.

marl1220 · 08-03-2022, 05:06 PM

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Would you ask this if he was white?

BC Hunt · 08-03-2022, 05:30 PM

This kid lied about his age so he could get a driver's license before age 16!

tyblain · 08-03-2022, 06:18 PM

Taking offense to a legitimate question where the guy clearly looks older then the stated age, doesn’t have documentation, and comes from history of that sorta thing and calling it racism is exactly what’s wrong with everybody these days. SOFT.

Who cares how old he is. He’s young enough and can HIT. Pay the man. Just my 2c.

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dashcol Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: It's complicated Posts: 7,713	So I have never understood, when you are being drafted by MLB what is the benefit of lying and saying you are 15 instead of 20? Does anyone really think Soto would not have been drafted if he was 20? I do know in the DR, there are not very good records of birth, and some of these guys may not know how old they truly are, but that would more be I think I’m 15, but really he was 17. Really though what is the point? If Pujols was really 50 instead of 40, would that not be even more impressive what he has done? __________________ “A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.” Jackie Robinson “Never let your head hang down. Never give up and sit down and grieve. Find another way.” Satchel Paige.

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LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,555	When Andy arrived at Shawshank I put Red at around 40 years old. Could be wrong but the receipts check out. __________________ So we cheated and we lied and we tested. And we never failed to fail; it was the easiest thing to do.

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LittleJimmies Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Chicago Posts: 5,537	Human growth hormones (aka puberty) are a hell of a drug.

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jcmel323 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 2,934	its very difficult to fake a birth certificate when your high school friends know you. It has happened several times with cubans but that's a different story. There's basically no papers. Yes, it has also happened in Dominican Republic but not recently. Having said that., the new norm is to send the kid to miami high school one or two grades lower. They put in the papers that he failed school and need to repeat the grade. That way the kid will look way more dominant that the other kids in his grade. The kid destroys highschool league with insane numbers and rest its history. The kid stays in miami with a stranger that take cares of him. That caretaker is being paid behind closed doors. Usually the caretaker have 3-8 kids with the same story.

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quackhead Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: CA Posts: 4,878	Tatis is #23 and Juan Soto is #22

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JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,748	But if everyone in the DR is lying about their age, then they are playing against age appropriate competition.

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BC Hunt Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,736 bicum70	This kid lied about his age so he could get a driver's license before age 16!

08-03-2022, 06:18 PM	#75
tyblain Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 2,858	Taking offense to a legitimate question where the guy clearly looks older then the stated age, doesn’t have documentation, and comes from history of that sorta thing and calling it racism is exactly what’s wrong with everybody these days. SOFT. Who cares how old he is. He’s young enough and can HIT. Pay the man. Just my 2c.