Rolling Thread for 90s Fakes and Backdoored Cards - Page 20

DragonWagon · 07-08-2022, 10:01 AM

FAKE ALERT: 1998 Kobe Bryant Skybox Thunder - Super Rave BGS 9 cert# 0008665455
https://tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database
credit: cardporn https://instagram.com/p/CfrrCYuh22r/

Supersuper · 07-24-2022, 09:09 PM

Is there any fake/counterfeit 96-97 flair showcase legacy card? I don’t see any information in this thread

Stifle · 07-24-2022, 09:19 PM

Fakes should have ZERO value.

Backdoored cards are still cards produced by the company that were not distributed into packs. They still carry value though it’s not the same. I believe it was The Chicago Sun Times Show that had Playoff a booth back in 98 Show Stamping cards. They had to be pack pulled but received parallel stamps limited to that weekend show. It’s value ? ?

AbraCalabro · 07-24-2022, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supersuper

Is there any fake/counterfeit 96-97 flair showcase legacy card? I don’t see any information in this thread

None identified as of current.

Supersuper · 07-24-2022, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

None identified as of current.

Ok thanks for response… I try to make some offers on eBay!

Supersuper · 07-24-2022, 10:38 PM

Stamp for this card looks little bit weird to me ….
https://www.ebay.com/itm/27539655133...3ABFBM4rHotsZg

AbraCalabro · 07-24-2022, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supersuper

Stamp for this card looks little bit weird to me ….
https://www.ebay.com/itm/27539655133...3ABFBM4rHotsZg

what about it makes you think it's weird?

Supersuper · 07-24-2022, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

what about it makes you think it's weird?

The font doesn’t look like the sgc 9 one…. 068/150, or maybe it’s the problem of image?

There is also one row 1 on eBay without serial number, is that considered a backdoor?

AbraCalabro · 07-24-2022, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersuper

The font doesn’t look like the sgc 9 one…. 068/150, or maybe it’s the problem of image?

Ah, I thought you meant the front Legacy stamp. Request a scan of the back from the seller, if it's all on the up and up he should have no problem doing so. When he sends it, I can take a look at it also if you want.

Supersuper · 07-24-2022, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Ah, I thought you meant the front Legacy stamp. Request a scan of the back from the seller, if it's all on the up and up he should have no problem doing so. When he sends it, I can take a look at it also if you want.

I will. Thanks for helping

AbraCalabro · 07-24-2022, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersuper

I will. Thanks for helping

Happy to help.

I also noticed who was selling the other copy, Buy Nice Cards / Eric Bitz, I'd look him up before ever offering with him.

Jephthah · 08-19-2022, 01:58 PM

Someone recently reached out to me about the card below, letting me know that it might be a bankruptcy card. I had never heard that about these having bankruptcy versions (been out of the hobby a LOOOONG time) so after a quick search, lo and behold I find this thread. Any thoughts or insight? Is the missing name on the back a sure sign? Sorry...I just realized this is the basketball forum. I guess the dead giveaway should have been all the basketball cards...

Mods...if there is one for FB please move this. TY!!

taniel · 08-20-2022, 02:17 AM

Is this authentic?
This stamp looks sky blue, not purple.

https://imgur.com/a/gZiovLg
https://imgur.com/a/Xt1znqY
https://imgur.com/a/rR8MgmH

AbraCalabro · 08-20-2022, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jephthah

Someone recently reached out to me about the card below, letting me know that it might be a bankruptcy card. I had never heard that about these having bankruptcy versions (been out of the hobby a LOOOONG time) so after a quick search, lo and behold I find this thread. Any thoughts or insight? Is the missing name on the back a sure sign? Sorry...I just realized this is the basketball forum. I guess the dead giveaway should have been all the basketball cards...

Mods...if there is one for FB please move this. TY!!

It's a bankruptcy backdoor card for certain.

auburn35 · 08-27-2022, 11:48 AM

Looks like a new batch of fake stamp, sheet cut cards have entered the market.
Credit Adam (the27guy) for the research and matching up the cards to a recent uncut sheet sold by Goldin.

On a similar topic, Spinotron has also flagged this Pippen 63/70 that passed through PSA.
https://www.psacard.com/cert/63722870
https://www.instagram.com/p/Chwg4PUM...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

DragonWagon · 08-28-2022, 09:58 AM

Added to the Altered Card Database https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

DragonWagon · 08-28-2022, 11:21 AM

Removed pending further review.

rogermaris · 08-29-2022, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Card mentioned above:
Fake 1997 Scottie Pippen #11 Skybox E-X2001 Essential Credentials Future PSA 8 cert# 63722870 sells for $8K
eBay: https://ebay.us/iqtKbC
Added: https://tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database
Credit: https://instagram.com/p/Chwg4PUMdRE/

I would suggest removing this one from the database until more information can be gathered on it.

The stamping is consistent with replacement copies, which have longer slashes than pack pulled copies. Just because a credentials has a long slash does not mean it's fake. These scans alone are not enough to definitively say the stamp is not authentic.

DragonWagon · 08-29-2022, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rogermaris

I would suggest removing this one from the database until more information can be gathered on it.

The stamping is consistent with replacement copies, which have longer slashes than pack pulled copies. Just because a credentials has a long slash does not mean it's fake. These scans alone are not enough to definitively say the stamp is not authentic.

It has been removed. Thank you.

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nbahobbyaddict · 08-29-2022, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by auburn35

Looks like a new batch of fake stamp, sheet cut cards have entered the market.
Credit Adam (the27guy) for the research and matching up the cards to a recent uncut sheet sold by Goldin.

On a similar topic, Spinotron has also flagged this Pippen 63/70 that passed through PSA.
https://www.psacard.com/cert/63722870
https://www.instagram.com/p/Chwg4PUM...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Wow that is so crazy. This is a perfect example of why many collectors are scared to buy these expensive 90s inserts. There are so many ways to get burned. thanks for posting this!

nbahobbyaddict · 08-31-2022, 02:19 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7uAjtB...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

More info. Terry Akers ring a bell to anyone?

AbraCalabro · 08-31-2022, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nbahobbyaddict

Wow that is so crazy. This is a perfect example of why many collectors are scared to buy these expensive 90s inserts. There are so many ways to get burned. thanks for posting this!

prices driven up = more incentive to do stuff like this

can't really get upset at it any more, when some of these guys call out non-insiders and fail to call out their own friends, or friends of friends so that they don't burn bridges with their connections.

nbahobbyaddict · 08-31-2022, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

prices driven up = more incentive to do stuff like this

can't really get upset at it any more, when some of these guys call out non-insiders and fail to call out their own friends, or friends of friends so that they don't burn bridges with their connections.

Couldn’t agree with you more brutha.

Kobefan · 08-31-2022, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

prices driven up = more incentive to do stuff like this

can't really get upset at it any more, when some of these guys call out non-insiders and fail to call out their own friends, or friends of friends so that they don't burn bridges with their connections.

What doesn't make sense to me is that counterfeiters keep on targeting the late 90s inserts and parallels, but I don't see them faking more lucrative cards like lebron topps chrome gold, exquisite rpa, etc.

Supersuper · 09-10-2022, 08:26 PM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23468204975...627e%7Ciid%3A1

Fake Duncan pmg listed on eBay…

08-19-2022, 01:58 PM	#487
Jephthah Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Florida Posts: 830 Jephthah	Someone recently reached out to me about the card below, letting me know that it might be a bankruptcy card. I had never heard that about these having bankruptcy versions (been out of the hobby a LOOOONG time) so after a quick search, lo and behold I find this thread. Any thoughts or insight? Is the missing name on the back a sure sign? Sorry...I just realized this is the basketball forum. I guess the dead giveaway should have been all the basketball cards... Mods...if there is one for FB please move this. TY!! Last edited by Jephthah; 08-19-2022 at 02:01 PM.

08-20-2022, 02:17 AM	#488
taniel Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 2	Is this authentic? This stamp looks sky blue, not purple. https://imgur.com/a/gZiovLg https://imgur.com/a/Xt1znqY https://imgur.com/a/rR8MgmH Last edited by taniel; 08-20-2022 at 02:23 AM.

08-27-2022, 11:48 AM	#490
auburn35 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,339	Looks like a new batch of fake stamp, sheet cut cards have entered the market. Credit Adam (the27guy) for the research and matching up the cards to a recent uncut sheet sold by Goldin. On a similar topic, Spinotron has also flagged this Pippen 63/70 that passed through PSA. https://www.psacard.com/cert/63722870 https://www.instagram.com/p/Chwg4PUM...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y= __________________ Ashley Lelie Rookie Collector, always looking for more.

08-28-2022, 11:21 AM	#492
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 906	Rolling Thread for 90s Fakes and Backdoored Cards Removed pending further review. Last edited by DragonWagon; 08-29-2022 at 03:11 PM.

07-08-2022, 10:01 AM	#476
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 906	FAKE ALERT: 1998 Kobe Bryant Skybox Thunder - Super Rave BGS 9 cert# 0008665455 https://tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database credit: cardporn https://instagram.com/p/CfrrCYuh22r/

07-24-2022, 09:09 PM	#477
Supersuper Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 797	Is there any fake/counterfeit 96-97 flair showcase legacy card? I don’t see any information in this thread

07-24-2022, 09:19 PM	#478
Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,362 Stifle	Fakes should have ZERO value. Backdoored cards are still cards produced by the company that were not distributed into packs. They still carry value though it’s not the same. I believe it was The Chicago Sun Times Show that had Playoff a booth back in 98 Show Stamping cards. They had to be pack pulled but received parallel stamps limited to that weekend show. It’s value ? ?

07-24-2022, 10:38 PM	#481
Supersuper Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 797	Stamp for this card looks little bit weird to me …. https://www.ebay.com/itm/27539655133...3ABFBM4rHotsZg

08-28-2022, 09:58 AM	#491
DragonWagon Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 906	Added to the Altered Card Database https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

08-31-2022, 02:19 PM	#496
nbahobbyaddict Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 489	https://www.instagram.com/p/Ch7uAjtB...d=YmMyMTA2M2Y= More info. Terry Akers ring a bell to anyone?

09-10-2022, 08:26 PM	#500
Supersuper Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 797	https://www.ebay.com/itm/23468204975...627e%7Ciid%3A1 Fake Duncan pmg listed on eBay…