American League MVP - Page 42

fulltritty · 10-01-2022, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Twins trying to push him over the finish line by not playing against a lefty.

Arraez - .315
Judge - .314 (1/2)

I think it's going to be tough for Judge to come out on top of this when he's seeing more balls than strikes.

rats60 · 10-01-2022, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Imagine acting like this. Embarrassing.

Imagine posting on a public forum and not being able to read, now that is really embarrassing.

thewild3 · 10-01-2022, 08:03 AM

How bout co-mvps for judge and ohtani.

Boo · 10-01-2022, 08:04 AM

Imagine still thinking that Ohtani is the MVP.

mwheeler27 · 10-01-2022, 08:27 AM

I’m still not convinced Judge is a more valuable player than Ohtani.

I’m trying to get there, but it’s taking me forever.

oldgoldy97 · 10-01-2022, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Imagine still thinking that Ohtani is the MVP.

Without him the Angels wouldn’t be any good.

But that doesn’t matter for MVP.

Value=WAR (of your choosing)

ThoseBackPages · 10-01-2022, 09:52 AM

Co-MVP time. its been a while

rngrdanny22 · 10-01-2022, 10:21 AM

I think Judge wins, but it won't be unanimous.

mwheeler27 · 10-01-2022, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Co-MVP time. its been a while

If there is ever a year worthy of Co-MVPs, this would certainly be it.

pewe · 10-01-2022, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mwheeler27

If there is ever a year worthy of Co-MVPs, this would certainly be it.

What makes it particularly worthy this year?

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zworykin · 10-01-2022, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

What makes it particularly worthy this year?

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Ohtani has an unprecedented season while Judge has a great one. Apparently that means Judge is worthy of taking half of the spotlight.

rngrdanny22 · 10-01-2022, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by zworykin

Ohtani has an unprecedented season while Judge has a great one. Apparently that means Judge is worthy of taking half of the spotlight.

Well, he does play half the positions of Ohtani

Seriously though, Ohtani's year has been insane. He is currently sitting at 9.8 WAR per BBRef and won a unanimous MVP last year with 9.0.

Now, he didn't have near the competition last year, but he's still had an insane season either way.

Boo · 10-01-2022, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

Well, he does play half the positions of Ohtani

Seriously though, Ohtani's year has been insane. He is currently sitting at 9.8 WAR per BBRef and won a unanimous MVP last year with 9.0.

Now, he didn't have near the competition last year, but he's still had an insane season either way.

Actually Judge plays center and right, Ohtani pitches and “plays” DH.

rngrdanny22 · 10-01-2022, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Actually Judge plays center and right, Ohtani pitches and “plays” DH.

And your bias can't give him even a little credit for a good season?

Damn, it's not like I said he's going to win MVP or anything...

pewe · 10-01-2022, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by zworykin

Ohtani has an unprecedented season while Judge has a great one. Apparently that means Judge is worthy of taking half of the spotlight.

So most rare feat is more important than most valuable feat when it comes to MVP?

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zworykin · 10-01-2022, 12:37 PM

Ask 30 GMs, "Would you be happy with having someone take your DH spot every game, meaning your position players wouldn't be able to occasionally DH, provided that this everyday DH would put up [Ohtani's batting stats this season]?"

I would bet you dollars to donuts that 30 out of 30 would say "Yes, I would take that, eleven times out of ten."

Ask 30 GMs, "Would you be happy with having a starting pitcher put up [Ohtani's pitching stats this season], even if that pitcher preferred an extra day of rest and so it meant you'd have to adopt a six-man rotation?"

Again, you're gonna have a hard time convincing me than any number fewer than 30 out of 30 would say "Yes, I would take that, eleven times out of ten."

And now you're telling me that I get both of those stat lines from ONE guy? A guy who, compared to almost any other player that will put up either one of those stat lines, we are only going to have to pay peanuts this year (5.5m?)?

And that guy is going to be a fan favorite, media darling, completely controversy-free, face-of-the-game type guy? Someone everyone in the clubhouse will love?

And even though I would hypothetically have to replace two players' worth of production if he gets hurt, he isn't actually going to get hurt this season in the real world?

Or - I could have an above-average defensive CF/RF, who puts up probably a top-ten offensive season all-time, and who is making 19m this year. Who is also very well-liked and sells tickets and is a positive clubhouse influence, yes, all of that.

Hmm. It's REALLY REALLY tough for me to see which one of those guys is more valuable to the team THIS SPECIFIC SEASON, for purposes of earning this single-season MVP award.

Last season doesn't matter. Next season doesn't matter. What would have happened if the player had gotten hurt, but it turns out he didn't get hurt, doesn't matter. It's a one-season award. This season. Not a hypothetical season.

Yes, this should be a unanimous vote. And that doesn't take a damn thing away from Aaron Judge, who will surely receive a well-deserved Silver Slugger for putting up an all-time great offensive season.

LVDan · 10-01-2022, 12:52 PM

I’d vote AJ but have no issue with someone voting Ohtani. Both are having incredible seasons.

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marl1220 · 10-01-2022, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by zworykin

Ask 30 GMs, "Would you be happy with having someone take your DH spot every game, meaning your position players wouldn't be able to occasionally DH, provided that this everyday DH would put up [Ohtani's batting stats this season]?"

I would bet you dollars to donuts that 30 out of 30 would say "Yes, I would take that, eleven times out of ten."

Ask 30 GMs, "Would you be happy with having a starting pitcher put up [Ohtani's pitching stats this season], even if that pitcher preferred an extra day of rest and so it meant you'd have to adopt a six-man rotation?"

Again, you're gonna have a hard time convincing me than any number fewer than 30 out of 30 would say "Yes, I would take that, eleven times out of ten."

And now you're telling me that I get both of those stat lines from ONE guy? A guy who, compared to almost any other player that will put up either one of those stat lines, we are only going to have to pay peanuts this year (5.5m?)?

And that guy is going to be a fan favorite, media darling, completely controversy-free, face-of-the-game type guy? Someone everyone in the clubhouse will love?

And even though I would hypothetically have to replace two players' worth of production if he gets hurt, he isn't actually going to get hurt this season in the real world?

Or - I could have an above-average defensive CF/RF, who puts up probably a top-ten offensive season all-time, and who is making 19m this year. Who is also very well-liked and sells tickets and is a positive clubhouse influence, yes, all of that.

Hmm. It's REALLY REALLY tough for me to see which one of those guys is more valuable to the team THIS SPECIFIC SEASON, for purposes of earning this single-season MVP award.

Last season doesn't matter. Next season doesn't matter. What would have happened if the player had gotten hurt, but it turns out he didn't get hurt, doesn't matter. It's a one-season award. This season. Not a hypothetical season.

Yes, this should be a unanimous vote. And that doesn't take a damn thing away from Aaron Judge, who will surely receive a well-deserved Silver Slugger for putting up an all-time great offensive season.

We'll have to wait and see how many MVP voters agree with you.

zworykin · 10-01-2022, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by marl1220

We'll have to wait and see how many MVP voters agree with you.

I suspect it will be a very small fraction of them.

marl1220 · 10-01-2022, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by zworykin

I suspect it will be a very small fraction of them.

I'm thinking that some will. I think Judge will win but it's hard to ignore Ohtani's season.

texmcpherson · 10-01-2022, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by marl1220

I'm thinking that some will. I think Judge will win but it's hard to ignore Ohtani's season.

I’d be shocked if Ohtani didn’t receive a single 1st place vote

marl1220 · 10-01-2022, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by texmcpherson

I’d be shocked if Ohtani didn’t receive a single 1st place vote

I have a feeling it will be closer than people think. The term "MVP" is very subjective. You'll get alot of people with alot of different opinions when it's left up to interpretation. I think, and hope, that Judge will win. But I won't be shocked if he doesn't

mwheeler27 · 10-01-2022, 02:25 PM

What Judge has done so far, has already been done before, and will likely be done again.

What Ohtani is doing has never been done before, and some say will never be done again, (though I think "never" is a really long time).

I still think the vast majority of GMs, (if not all GMs), would take Ohtani over Judge, (if salaries and bonuses were equal), if they got their choice at the end of this season.

pete2345 · 10-01-2022, 02:27 PM

Judge in a landslide

Boo · 10-01-2022, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by texmcpherson

I’d be shocked if Ohtani didn’t receive a single 1st place vote

He’ll get 4 or 5 is my guess.

10-01-2022, 08:03 AM	#1028
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10-01-2022, 08:04 AM	#1029
Boo Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: PA Posts: 55,579 klay22	Imagine still thinking that Ohtani is the MVP. __________________ I have found that flicking through a few threads on my smartphone is a great way to pass some time while "stocking the pond."Hairy 6/7/12 “ I feel you, brother. Welcome to East Berlin, circa 1963.” Hairy 5/9/20

10-01-2022, 09:52 AM	#1032
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10-01-2022, 12:52 PM	#1042
LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,530	I’d vote AJ but have no issue with someone voting Ohtani. Both are having incredible seasons. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ So we cheated and we lied and we tested. And we never failed to fail; it was the easiest thing to do.

10-01-2022, 08:27 AM	#1030
mwheeler27 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NorthEast Kansas Posts: 18,419 mwheeler27 mwheeler27	I’m still not convinced Judge is a more valuable player than Ohtani. I’m trying to get there, but it’s taking me forever.

10-01-2022, 10:21 AM	#1033
rngrdanny22 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 12,372	I think Judge wins, but it won't be unanimous.

10-01-2022, 12:37 PM	#1041
zworykin Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,067 zworykin2	Ask 30 GMs, "Would you be happy with having someone take your DH spot every game, meaning your position players wouldn't be able to occasionally DH, provided that this everyday DH would put up [Ohtani's batting stats this season]?" I would bet you dollars to donuts that 30 out of 30 would say "Yes, I would take that, eleven times out of ten." Ask 30 GMs, "Would you be happy with having a starting pitcher put up [Ohtani's pitching stats this season], even if that pitcher preferred an extra day of rest and so it meant you'd have to adopt a six-man rotation?" Again, you're gonna have a hard time convincing me than any number fewer than 30 out of 30 would say "Yes, I would take that, eleven times out of ten." And now you're telling me that I get both of those stat lines from ONE guy? A guy who, compared to almost any other player that will put up either one of those stat lines, we are only going to have to pay peanuts this year (5.5m?)? And that guy is going to be a fan favorite, media darling, completely controversy-free, face-of-the-game type guy? Someone everyone in the clubhouse will love? And even though I would hypothetically have to replace two players' worth of production if he gets hurt, he isn't actually going to get hurt this season in the real world? Or - I could have an above-average defensive CF/RF, who puts up probably a top-ten offensive season all-time, and who is making 19m this year. Who is also very well-liked and sells tickets and is a positive clubhouse influence, yes, all of that. Hmm. It's REALLY REALLY tough for me to see which one of those guys is more valuable to the team THIS SPECIFIC SEASON, for purposes of earning this single-season MVP award. Last season doesn't matter. Next season doesn't matter. What would have happened if the player had gotten hurt, but it turns out he didn't get hurt, doesn't matter. It's a one-season award. This season. Not a hypothetical season. Yes, this should be a unanimous vote. And that doesn't take a damn thing away from Aaron Judge, who will surely receive a well-deserved Silver Slugger for putting up an all-time great offensive season.

10-01-2022, 02:25 PM	#1048
mwheeler27 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NorthEast Kansas Posts: 18,419 mwheeler27 mwheeler27	What Judge has done so far, has already been done before, and will likely be done again. What Ohtani is doing has never been done before, and some say will never be done again, (though I think "never" is a really long time). I still think the vast majority of GMs, (if not all GMs), would take Ohtani over Judge, (if salaries and bonuses were equal), if they got their choice at the end of this season.

10-01-2022, 02:27 PM	#1049
pete2345 Banned Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Birthplace of Michael Jordan home of biggie smalls! Posts: 4,125	Judge in a landslide