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Old 09-30-2022, 11:46 PM   #276
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Old 09-30-2022, 11:49 PM   #277
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Old 09-30-2022, 11:49 PM   #278
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Old 10-01-2022, 12:01 AM   #279
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i think Judge becomes the AL Home Run King this weekend!
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Old 10-01-2022, 06:36 AM   #280
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i think Judge becomes the AL Home Run King this weekend!
Depends on how bad the rain is and if he gets more strikes than balls to hit from the Orioles. These 3-2 counts are causing anxiety everywhere.
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Old 10-01-2022, 06:40 AM   #281
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You are a 100% Correct ! First off, Steroids are for healing ! There is no such thing as a miracle strength pill. There are so many fallacies about taking a pill and then poof, the player is Ruth reborn. It doesn’t work that way. Players need to dedicate to serious working out, sleep and diet in order to create strength and most players don’t want to put that kind of effort in. The performance enhancing starts and ends from within the player. The roid is a quicker way of having the body heal and then that player is able to bust tail working out again.

The best hitters have the best hand eye coordination and steroids don’t create better coordination for hitting a baseball.

I worry you might be confusing the type of steroids a physician might prescribe / administer to reduce inflammation and recover with the type used by Bonds to become the Hulk.


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Old 10-01-2022, 07:21 AM   #282
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I worry you might be confusing the type of steroids a physician might prescribe / administer to reduce inflammation and recover with the type used by Bonds to become the Hulk.


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BALCOs steroids were illegal. Victor Conte went to jail for giving them to Bonds and others.

MLB players weren't going to doctor's to get steroids that they needed. The players knew they were illegal. They were part of their labor contract that they negotiated with the owners. They blocked testing hoping they could hide behind their union and not get caught. Not a single player came forward before testing and said they were using them because they were prescribed by their doctor.
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Old 10-01-2022, 08:22 AM   #283
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BALCOs steroids were illegal. Victor Conte went to jail for giving them to Bonds and others.

MLB players weren't going to doctor's to get steroids that they needed. The players knew they were illegal. They were part of their labor contract that they negotiated with the owners. They blocked testing hoping they could hide behind their union and not get caught. Not a single player came forward before testing and said they were using them because they were prescribed by their doctor.
Steroids are not illegal.

Conte and such were indicted for distributing steroids, since they were not licensed to do so. What they produced were designer drugs that were not readily detectable with current testing. They were not necessarily stronger or better than other drugs from a performance standpoint, they were however larger undetectable with testing. That was the key to their success.
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Old 10-01-2022, 10:39 AM   #284
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Steroids are not illegal.

Conte and such were indicted for distributing steroids, since they were not licensed to do so. What they produced were designer drugs that were not readily detectable with current testing. They were not necessarily stronger or better than other drugs from a performance standpoint, they were however larger undetectable with testing. That was the key to their success.

What makes you think steroids are legal?


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Old 10-01-2022, 11:06 AM   #285
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Kind of basic really.

There's a difference between regulated and illegal.

Everything Barry Bonds took is indeed legal when prescribed by a doctor. In fact, some parts of his (presumed) regimin are still available over the counter.
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Old 10-01-2022, 11:49 AM   #287
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He didn’t become the hulk because he took the “cream”, he became the Hulk because he was lifting like a beast, eating the foods that would increase mass and receiving proper sleep in order for his body to recover. The “cream” increased his recovery time in order for him to lift like a beast again. When a person breaks down their body, it creates pain because it’s recovering. If a drug is able to increase recovery time, then the person is able to work out just as hard the next time.

Anybody can take a roid, but most would just become bloated. Too many people confuse strength to the product and not enough to the means of what needs to occur in order to reach that level. It’s a Lifestyle, not a lotion that creates a quicker recovery!
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Does anyone have the updated single season list for MLB? Judge still tied for 7th?
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Old 10-01-2022, 01:38 PM   #289
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He didn’t become the hulk because he took the “cream”, he became the Hulk because he was lifting like a beast, eating the foods that would increase mass and receiving proper sleep in order for his body to recover. The “cream” increased his recovery time in order for him to lift like a beast again. When a person breaks down their body, it creates pain because it’s recovering. If a drug is able to increase recovery time, then the person is able to work out just as hard the next time.



Anybody can take a roid, but most would just become bloated. Too many people confuse strength to the product and not enough to the means of what needs to occur in order to reach that level. It’s a Lifestyle, not a lotion that creates a quicker recovery!
Proper sleep? Of course thats it.

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Old 10-01-2022, 01:58 PM   #290
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It couldn’t have been the hours dedicated in the weight room and knowledge of diet. It was the Underdog pill! In todays supplements, the players can utilize non-banned supplements that are extremely performance enhancing. There is a new supplement that will help joints and cartilage that is far advanced. We will see more players like a Judge who at 280lbs will be able to have increased health because of these new advances in supplements / drugs. Performance enhancers ? It will help those with increased size to keep not only lifting as hard to maintain size but strength as well. DHEA is a banned substance but as far as for those not in College or Pro, it’s a age defier.
Todays youth can pickup supplements that are exceeding the PED’s of yesteryear. Members have asked if they would want other members children taking PED’s? They already can take supplements that exceed the performance enhancing abilities of those banned drugs / supplements from 20 years ago.

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Old 10-01-2022, 03:10 PM   #291
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Kind of basic really.

There's a difference between regulated and illegal.

Everything Barry Bonds took is indeed legal when prescribed by a doctor. In fact, some parts of his (presumed) regimin are still available over the counter.

Under this logic nothing in life is illegal, just regulated

I guess the key question: was Bonds’ use of steroids legal?


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And just like that everybody is an expert on steroids.
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Old 10-01-2022, 04:07 PM   #293
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Under this logic nothing in life is illegal, just regulated

I guess the key question: was Bonds’ use of steroids legal?


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Of course it wasn't. Greg Anderson is not a MD

He got a whopping 3 mo in jail.

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Old 10-01-2022, 06:16 PM   #294
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And just like that everybody is an expert on steroids.
It’s more about chipping members out of the 20 year Iceberg knowledge of steroids. The “cream” wasn’t developed by the only chemist who are creating more advanced supplements / drugs. Let’s open the door to reality.
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Old 10-01-2022, 06:43 PM   #295
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BALCOs steroids were illegal. Victor Conte went to jail for giving them to Bonds and others.

MLB players weren't going to doctor's to get steroids that they needed. The players knew they were illegal. They were part of their labor contract that they negotiated with the owners. They blocked testing hoping they could hide behind their union and not get caught. Not a single player came forward before testing and said they were using them because they were prescribed by their doctor.
McGwire was utilizing Andro and was called out about it after a reporter noticed the bottle in McGwires locker. Andro is no longer allowed as well as many other drugs / supplements but many players were utilizing PED’s / Supplements.

I don’t believe Pete realizes that when players are called out for PED use, at what point is the use going to be penalized? Just those who utilized anabolic steroids though Andro was banned for doing the same? If we want to create a witch hunt for character, we may not like the results we end up having.

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Old 10-02-2022, 01:43 PM   #296
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Kind of basic really.

There's a difference between regulated and illegal.

Everything Barry Bonds took is indeed legal when prescribed by a doctor. In fact, some parts of his (presumed) regimin are still available over the counter.
if everything Bond took was illegal, then why did his trainer, Greg Anderson take the fall for him and go to prison?
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if everything Bond took was illegal, then why did his trainer, Greg Anderson take the fall for him and go to prison?
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If a donkey walked into a bar and said the he's a banana, what would 12 chickens say?
That calling Bonds unnatural is an insult to Dolly Parton.
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Everyone agrees the Astros cheated when they electronically stole signs. The fact it didnÂ’t increase their performance doesnÂ’t make it allowable

Americans spend $30B on vitamins every year, when physicians agree they are mostly useless for most people.

We are a country that likes to waste $$ on useless things with hopes and dreams of an impact.


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Ask the 2017 Dodgers how they feel about the effectiveness of the Astros' cheating during the 2017 World Series. 51 breaking balls from Kershaw in game 5 and 0 swings-and-misses.
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Ask the 2017 Dodgers how they feel about the effectiveness of the Astros' cheating during the 2017 World Series. 51 breaking balls from Kershaw in game 5 and 0 swings-and-misses.
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