@NFLALLDAY Coming Soon

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Easy answer...

Just don't take that deal.

It starts to be positive EV at the 2 star reward

I cashed out all my nfl all days that first game of the season - it was unintentional, but kind of funny. I think I'm done with dapper for now.

[Eckstein197]

Penny killed the Sunday slate challenge. Unfortunate as I was really hoping to get those 25 yards

SNF was super easy for me as I had a few bucs rares for my team set. And had a Tony Gonzalez. So was able to sell a couple Bucs rares and complete it for free/easy profit

Sitting at 55 yards right now, need rams tonight and then do either end of week or MNF challenge to get to 80 yards for 4 packs. Was hoping to get to the 5 star pack but unfortunately Penny had different ideas

[matt roberson]

Missed a log in on Saturday hanging out with the kids and getting hammered so I am out this week more than likely unless I limp into todays challenges.

[natbornkiller]

2 things i love this moment
https://nflallday.com/moments/8902bd...b-c164e5c7d6dd

and if i burn 5 cards i only get one back ?

[cjmccreary]

Originally Posted by natbornkiller

2 things i love this moment
https://nflallday.com/moments/8902bd...b-c164e5c7d6dd

and if i burn 5 cards i only get one back ?

You can get up to 12 moments back, depending on how many yards you've amassed. I think it's only worth it to burn if you have enough yards for the 3 star pack or better.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by cjmccreary

You can get up to 12 moments back, depending on how many yards you've amassed. I think it's only worth it to burn if you have enough yards for the 3 star pack or better.

I disagree.

Burning 5 commons $7 moments seems worth it to get 3 new moments at the 2 star level.

[ninjacookies]

Market continues to plummet, save for the occasional last second challenge pumps. Commons trending towards $5 soon, and you can now scoop rares /1xxx in the $4x range.

I think my portfolio has halved in the past 2 weeks, and the drops include top guys like Arod and Mahomes.

The optimal play would have been to liquidate 2-4 weeks ago, then just wait and stock up on moments to spot enter playbook challenges whenever +EV. But hindsight is always twinny twinny.

[grade]

zero All day, sold my last moment today.
Still watching though.

only 186 Topshot moments.

Moved funds to 2500+ Panini NFT.

Dont know which platform will be best.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Market continues to plummet, save for the occasional last second challenge pumps. Commons trending towards $5 soon, and you can now scoop rares /1xxx in the $4x range.

I think my portfolio has halved in the past 2 weeks, and the drops include top guys like Arod and Mahomes.

The optimal play would have been to liquidate 2-4 weeks ago, then just wait and stock up on moments to spot enter playbook challenges whenever +EV. But hindsight is always twinny twinny.

~ 4/17 of the utility is used up.

Top players aren't getting burnt, so the population isn't going down.

Not many people really collect these things, so if utility is what is driving value, they as utility declines, values should too.

The thing that could change that would be a lowered outlook in future moments (i.e., convincing people to burn Mahomes moments, announcing that once someone get a base moment they won't have another round made).

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

~ 4/17 of the utility is used up.

Top players aren't getting burnt, so the population isn't going down.

Not many people really collect these things, so if utility is what is driving value, they as utility declines, values should too.

The thing that could change that would be a lowered outlook in future moments (i.e., convincing people to burn Mahomes moments, announcing that once someone get a base moment they won't have another round made).

Yes, there's nothing that currently exists to buoy the prices of even the top guys. And the ultra, ultra rares and legendaries simply have no utility, because people can just source a lower valued rare as a substitute for most pb challenges.

Allday can't make the requirements for the playbook challenges too expensive (they're already a bit spendy as-is) or garnered interest will wane. At the same time I doubt many are even attempting to do the regular challenges outside of the whales and deep pocket speculators.


This has become a game of daytrade scalping. But not many have time for that, at least not for a few bucks a week.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Yes, there's nothing that currently exists to buoy the prices of even the top guys. And the ultra, ultra rares and legendaries simply have no utility, because people can just source a lower valued rare as a substitute for most pb challenges.

Allday can't make the requirements for the playbook challenges too expensive (they're already a bit spendy as-is) or garnered interest will wane. At the same time I doubt many are even attempting to do the regular challenges outside of the whales and deep pocket speculators.


This has become a game of daytrade scalping. But not many have time for that, at least not for a few bucks a week.

They just need to finally find a better way to gamify it.

People willingly piss away money every single week on Daily Fantasy. Draft Kings and Fanduel have the formula. It's just like any form of gambling: convince people that they can outsmart the rest of the field and have an easy path to profit.

It's not that easy with All Day. You have to try to guess what challenges they might do, then try to guess which players might complete them, then try to guess which ones will give a decent return if they win. It's too convoluted.

I think if they added a fantasy game where you actually risk moments, or something simple to build that will reap a clear reward, that could help get people on board.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

They just need to finally find a better way to gamify it.

People willingly piss away money every single week on Daily Fantasy. Draft Kings and Fanduel have the formula. It's just like any form of gambling: convince people that they can outsmart the rest of the field and have an easy path to profit.

It's not that easy with All Day. You have to try to guess what challenges they might do, then try to guess which players might complete them, then try to guess which ones will give a decent return if they win. It's too convoluted.

I think if they added a fantasy game where you actually risk moments, or something simple to build that will reap a clear reward, that could help get people on board.

Fantasy's the way to go, but still requires people purchase additional moments to construct formulated rosters around top players. I'd wager to say most have meager collections and can't afford (or simply don't want) to cop a Mahomes on a whim just for a competition. I can understand the difficulty for AllDay right now.

At least it's been somewhat entertaining, which I can't say for Panini.

[cjmccreary]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I disagree.

Burning 5 commons $7 moments seems worth it to get 3 new moments at the 2 star level.

Disagree all you want and not saying you're wrong, but from strictly an EV standpoint it absolutely makes sense to hold off burning until stage 3. At stage 3, you'll have 6 brand new moments. Even if they are all floor priced, you still have value of $42 versus a burn cost of $35. Anything less than that you are -EV. At this point, it's probably a good gamble to burn $35 to get 3 new moments through only stage 2, which are $21 at floor, but it's not "worth it", or economic to do so.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Fantasy's the way to go, but still requires people purchase additional moments to construct formulated rosters around top players. I'd wager to say most have meager collections and can't afford (or simply don't want) to cop a Mahomes on a whim just for a competition. I can understand the difficulty for AllDay right now.

At least it's been somewhat entertaining, which I can't say for Panini.

Regardless, they need to give people reasons to want to keep moments.

Right now everyone is just buying to sell down the road. On the other hand, If they could find a way to guarantee moments could be capped, it could give people reason to buy and hold. Using Mahomes as an example:

There are currently 18,654 of his moments. If they came out and said that the number is capped at that total, or could only grow at 10% per year (or similar), there would be good reasons to buy and hold, if for nothing more that the 'what if' aspect of future utility.

But the general consensus is that the number will probably be at 25 or 30 thousand by the end of the year, rendering the current moments less valuable.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Regardless, they need to give people reasons to want to keep moments.

Right now everyone is just buying to sell down the road. On the other hand, If they could find a way to guarantee moments could be capped, it could give people reason to buy and hold. Using Mahomes as an example:

There are currently 18,654 of his moments. If they came out and said that the number is capped at that total, or could only grow at 10% per year (or similar), there would be good reasons to buy and hold, if for nothing more that the 'what if' aspect of future utility.

But the general consensus is that the number will probably be at 25 or 30 thousand by the end of the year, rendering the current moments less valuable.

I think the problem is that they only have a finite amount of players to work with. Nobody wants moments of 2nd/3rd tier defensive players or backup offensive position guys. There's only 32 starting qb's in the league, and like 2 handfuls of marquee receivers. RBBC and injuries makes ---> AD investerbois view them just like NFL GM's. Releasing new packs forces them to recycle players in due time.

Outside of burning, I think they should leverage their partnership abilities and try and implement some kind of exchange program. For either tickets or apparel. Take some of the gambling EV out of the equation and just give people incentive to buy/clect for stuff they actually want.

[Brobocop]

Sounds like there is a controversy brewing ion the UFC side of things.


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[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Sounds like there is a controversy brewing ion the UFC side of things.


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And what is that?

I was super excited about UFC, then they botched it and I checked out.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by tjforce

And what is that?

I was super excited about UFC, then they botched it and I checked out.

Basically someone was able to exploit the gigantik platform which powers the Dapper products to see what's in each pack and then draft the pack they want. They created multiple accounts and each account would only buy one pack and pull one championship moment which are incredibly rare. It was brought to Dapper's attention a few times and they've never responded to it.

Link

[matt roberson]

I didn't have the moments to finish any challenges, so I sold my eligible moments. May try the playbook again this week depending on how it shakes out or I may just start dumping moments and get out while still slightly ahead.

Seems like early TS was the only chance to make money off Dapper, now I'm just hoping to break even on the dapper projects.

[tjforce]

Interesting changes to the challenge this week:

The good news:
-You don't need to burn moments to get the 1 star pack at 30 pts.
-There's an additional 2 star pack at 50 pts. Meaning 50 pts gets you 5 moments.
-There are 5 picks-ems worth a max of 30 points

The Bad news:
-Login and purchase yards have been lowered. Instead of a max possible of 30 yards, it is down to 15


So to get to 40 points, you need to login/purchase yards (15), plus 25 of the 30 possible pick em yards.

Going to be tougher to get to 2 star without completing a challenge.

[rubendn]

I liquidated all my moments including 2 legendary moments that I pulled in packs as of about 10 days ago. I think I got lucky with the timing.

It's cool and everything but too much work for the weekly challenge stuff. Seems like the same trajectory as TopShot where eventually most moments are worthless because they need to keep selling packs in order to make money and the supply becomes overwhelming.

[pyrexswerve]

^^
Pretty crazy you pulled two legends. Congrats to you.
I still havent pulled one legend across all dapper products.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by rubendn

I liquidated all my moments including 2 legendary moments that I pulled in packs as of about 10 days ago. I think I got lucky with the timing.

It's cool and everything but too much work for the weekly challenge stuff. Seems like the same trajectory as TopShot where eventually most moments are worthless because they need to keep selling packs in order to make money and the supply becomes overwhelming.

Don't overlook the 5% commission they get from each sale.

If they crash the market than the amount they rake in for each sale crashes as well. Sure, a big pack release gets you a 1 time cash inflow, but there's a breakeven point where more transactions at higher market prices nets you more money.

Now let's see if the folks at AllDay are smart enough to figure that out.

[pyrexswerve]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Basically someone was able to exploit the gigantik platform which powers the Dapper products to see what's in each pack and then draft the pack they want. They created multiple accounts and each account would only buy one pack and pull one championship moment which are incredibly rare. It was brought to Dapper's attention a few times and they've never responded to it.

Link

This is terrible.
I just posted in the UFC thread. Instead of doing full refunds, dapper only gave partial credits, for example I only got $1.00.

With a scam like this, no way they should be keeping 90% revenue. This is bad.

[pyrexswerve]

Also, NFL IMO is the best Dapper product right now. That's just my opinion. If I had a lot of good stuff, I wouldn't be selling off, but that's just my take.