Joe Burrow

[Dame]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Burrow is a really good QB. My biggest issue besides it’s going to be nearly impossible to live up to his card prices is…he plays for the Bengals. That organization hasn’t been trusted in 30+ years! If you’re going to or have already gone deep on Burrow…you also have to believe in the organization. That’s not a bet I’m taking at 2021 or todays Burrow prices. Being “fine” “good” and putting up solid seasons isn’t good enough at todays prices. He has to win multiple Super Bowls. Not just attend the big game but win them…with Cincinnati.


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No doubt about that. I don’t think Joe will be hobby great like Brady but if he can come out of this NFL career in one piece, he’ll have a great storybook ending career.

Too talented and too likable.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by dantheman514

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but you can't honestly believe this. Burrow is good, but he is not the most mobile QB. Do you think Mahomes or Allen would be able to avoid some of the sacks that Burrow takes?

You can say all you want I’m a troll but it’s true.
Look at Rodgers without Adams. Take Kelce away from Mahomes and take Diggs away from Allen and neither of those teams are winning as many games. Not saying they wouldn’t win and be playoff teams, because their entire programs are built to win.
The Bengals are not built to win. They caught lightning in a bottle last year and got hot at the right time. KC and Buffalo have really great OL and both Mahomes and Allen benefit from it. Maybe they would avoid the sacks, but they wouldn’t be able to throw for the amount of yards they do because they would be running for their lives.


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[Scottish Punk]

Football fans are the most over reacting bunch in all of sports. Not just this forum, but national media and all the "expert" talking heads as well. Quarterback's especially.

QB is high draft pick - he is going to change the franchise and win Super Bowls
QB is in year two throws for 300 4/0 in the first game - Dude a stud!! MVP!!
QB two weeks later - 200 2/2 - Dude is just over rated, should we be worried?
QB Next week - comeback victory - GOAT!!!!!!!!

Can we let all these young quarterbacks get a few years underneath before we proclaim busts or superstars? Football is the ultimate team game and fit/scheme/coaching matters as much as talent for any player. A lot of these young QBs are asked to start right away on bad teams with new coaches and you wonder why there is a bunch of ups and downs. All of this will shake out and by year 4 or so we will know what they are.

Last thing, for Burrow. I think he is going to be just fine. I don't know what people don't "see". If he turns out to be like Stafford - you know, a pro bowl level quarterback that stabilizes the position for a decade. What a terrible outcome!! We have to stop pretending that it is 2 Super Bowls or bust. Burrow already made it to one so he is leg up on the rest of the post Mahomes class of QBs.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Last thing, for Burrow. I think he is going to be just fine. I don't know what people don't "see". If he turns out to be like Stafford - you know, a pro bowl level quarterback that stabilizes the position for a decade. What a terrible outcome!! We have to stop pretending that it is 2 Super Bowls or bust. Burrow already made it to one so he is leg up on the rest of the post Mahomes class of QBs.

It would be a terrible outcome for anyone buying Burrow if he ends up like Stafford. Stafford is nothing special. An above average QB in a league that is catered to big arm QBs. He was put in a good situation last year on a team that sacrificed the future to win one Super Bowl. He won’t win another. He won’t win an MVP. He won’t hold any career passing records. He’s just going to be another forgotten QB from this bloated era.

Burrow getting to a Super Bowl doesn’t matter. All that matters for these QBs is Super Bowl victories and MVPs. You have to have those to be an all-time great inside and outside of the hobby.

[chasacar86]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It would be a terrible outcome for anyone buying Burrow if he ends up like Stafford. Stafford is nothing special. An above average QB in a league that is catered to big arm QBs. He was put in a good situation last year on a team that sacrificed the future to win one Super Bowl. He won’t win another. He won’t win an MVP. He won’t hold any career passing records. He’s just going to be another forgotten QB from this bloated era.

Burrow getting to a Super Bowl doesn’t matter. All that matters for these QBs is Super Bowl victories and MVPs. You have to have those to be an all-time great inside and outside of the hobby.

You think MVPs matter lol?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by chasacar86

You think MVPs matter lol?

Of course they do. It’s a direct measure of how superior of a QB you are during your career. If you have a 15 year career, and you’re an all-time great QB, you’re bound to win a few MVPs.

Who is the best QB of all-time to never win an MVP?

[chasacar86]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Of course they do. It’s a direct measure of how superior of a QB you are during your career. If you have a 15 year career, and you’re an all-time great QB, you’re bound to win a few MVPs.

Who is the best QB of all-time to never win an MVP?

I don't think the past 20+ MVP winners have won the SB so not sure those recipients would agree they are in the same class (I'm sure Arod would lol). Feels like it's lost some allure since it's now a QB-exclusive award.

Idk just feels like a consolation prize for the QB who put up a decent season with great stats but wasn't good enough to get his team there.

Absolutely agree with the first statement that it'll happen over time if you're great.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It would be a terrible outcome for anyone buying Burrow if he ends up like Stafford. Stafford is nothing special. An above average QB in a league that is catered to big arm QBs. He was put in a good situation last year on a team that sacrificed the future to win one Super Bowl. He won’t win another. He won’t win an MVP. He won’t hold any career passing records. He’s just going to be another forgotten QB from this bloated era.

Burrow getting to a Super Bowl doesn’t matter. All that matters for these QBs is Super Bowl victories and MVPs. You have to have those to be an all-time great inside and outside of the hobby.

I agree Stafford won't win another MVP or Super Bowl. I am just trying to figure out what the bar is for these young QBs to clear. If it is "they are priced in for multiple super bowls wins and a MVP" than it is likely none of them are going to clear that bar. If we expect another round of Peyton and Brady than I don't know, that seems like too much to ask. Mahomes is the only one with a MVP and a Super Bowl win already, so one more win and he crosses the bar, but I feel like he is already the hobby darling.

Just keep in mind:
Rodgers 3 MVPs 1-0 in Super Bowl
Roethlisberger 0 MVPs 2-1 Super Bowl
Brees 0 MVPs 1-0 Super Bowl
Eli Manning 0 MVPs 2-0 Super Bowl
Wilson 0 MVPs 1-1 Super Bowl
Stafford 0 MVPs 1-0 Super Bowl
Ryan 1 MVP 0-1 Super Bowl
Newton 1 MVP 0-1 Super Bowl

and of Course Lamar has an MVP. Allen can make a big leap if he wins the MVP and makes it to the super bowl this year. Burrow is 0-1 in Super Bowl, so he is on par with Newton and Ryan if he manages an MVP, likewise Lamar if Baltimore just makes a Super Bowl.

Most on the list above are making in the Hall of Fame.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I agree Stafford won't win another MVP or Super Bowl. I am just trying to figure out what the bar is for these young QBs to clear. If it is "they are priced in for multiple super bowls wins and a MVP" than it is likely none of them are going to clear that bar. If we expect another round of Peyton and Brady than I don't know, that seems like too much to ask. Mahomes is the only one with a MVP and a Super Bowl win already, so one more win and he crosses the bar, but I feel like he is already the hobby darling.

Just keep in mind:
Rodgers 3 MVPs 1-0 in Super Bowl
Roethlisberger 0 MVPs 2-1 Super Bowl
Brees 0 MVPs 1-0 Super Bowl
Eli Manning 0 MVPs 2-0 Super Bowl
Wilson 0 MVPs 1-1 Super Bowl
Stafford 0 MVPs 1-0 Super Bowl
Ryan 1 MVP 0-1 Super Bowl
Newton 1 MVP 0-1 Super Bowl

and of Course Lamar has an MVP. Allen can make a big leap if he wins the MVP and makes it to the super bowl this year. Burrow is 0-1 in Super Bowl, so he is on par with Newton and Ryan if he manages an MVP, likewise Lamar if Baltimore just makes a Super Bowl.

Most on the list above are making in the Hall of Fame.

If Burrow has the career of anyone other than Rodgers on your list…it’s a big disappointment and loss for people that are invested in him, right now.

Now imagine how the people that are in on Lawrence, Fields, Lance, etc feel. Oof! Those hobbyist are literally puking with each game that passes.

As NFL fans, we have to overreact. It’s not the NBA or MLB. There’s only 17 games to impress. The microscope is on. When’s lots of guys are wanting to buy (in the summer) and then sell before November…the room for error is tiny!


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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

If Burrow has the career of anyone other than Rodgers on your list…it’s a big disappointment and loss for people that are invested in him, right now.

Now imagine how the people that are in on Lawrence, Fields, Lance, etc feel. Oof! Those hobbyist are literally puking with each game that passes.

As NFL fans, we have to overreact. It’s not the NBA or MLB. There’s only 17 games to impress. The microscope is on. When’s lots of guys are wanting to buy (in the summer) and then sell before November…the room for error is tiny!


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The current level of money on active QBs under 30 will not go well for almost anyone.

The key is when you bought in. Pre 2020, you’re probably fine. 2020 onward and your not in great shape. That has little to do with the QB and more to do with the craziness.

We still haven’t hit bottom and when we do, it’s going to be a crapshow.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

The current level of money on active QBs under 30 will not go well for almost anyone.

The key is when you bought in. Pre 2020, you’re probably fine. 2020 onward and your not in great shape. That has little to do with the QB and more to do with the craziness.

We still haven’t hit bottom and when we do, it’s going to be a crapshow.

Agree. I think Burrow is a really good QB along w/ Herbert, Lawrence and others. The issue isn't "will they have really good/great careers"...it's what price did you get in at? This isn't a football discussion...its a hobby financial one. The guys making all the money on Mahomes & Allen are guys that bought in for pennies compared to the 20-21 QBs. You can't compare those at all. The hobby looked completely different back then. If you bought into anything 2020-21-22 & still have it...you're probably underwater already. NOW...imagine if they have a Brees or Big Ben or Eli or Stafford career. You're even further in the red! If you bought 2020-21 QBs...its Peyton or bust...any praying that its a healthy world economy at the same time.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Agree. I think Burrow is a really good QB along w/ Herbert, Lawrence and others. The issue isn't "will they have really good/great careers"...it's what price did you get in at? This isn't a football discussion...its a hobby financial one. The guys making all the money on Mahomes & Allen are guys that bought in for pennies compared to the 20-21 QBs. You can't compare those at all. The hobby looked completely different back then. If you bought into anything 2020-21-22 & still have it...you're probably underwater already. NOW...imagine if they have a Brees or Big Ben or Eli or Stafford career. You're even further in the red! If you bought 2020-22 QBs...its Peyton or bust! Nevermind Brady.

No matter who you invested in 2020 onward, you’re likely to lose your shirt.

And I’ll add, if you haven’t sold out of replaceable cards 3+ months ago, you’re going to take a big haircut.

[jhssketchcards]

For the record, Allen has
0 MVPs
0 Super Bowls

Yet his prices are stupid high. Why exactly?


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[Jed Clampett]

Joey doing Joey things……..
3-0 vs PM
Lol at week 1 posts in this thread
Thx 4 the chuckles

[CicadaMound]

Finally beat the Browns!

[Dame]

Originally Posted by CicadaMound

Finally beat the Browns!

Not the prettiest win for the Bengals but a quality win without Tee Higgins, Tyler Boyd and Hayden Hurst due to injuries. Third game where they have practice squad receivers making huge plays for them. I really love the versatility of the team. They can switch it up from finesse to gritty.


Next few weeks is about to get tougher for their defense with another key loss-Trey Hendrickson is out for a few games. I still can't get over the fact their best secondary defender (Awuzie) is out for the season.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Joe is going to be fine.

Overreaction is the name of the game now. Two bad weeks with a bad Oline and bad HC.

It was easy to see why this team was as miserable as they were in Sept.

[CaianCollector]

A lot easier when your a bengals fan and at worst these “investments” will be PC heirlooms.

[shortstopguy12]

This is a pretty good team.... I wouldnt be surprised for them to make another run this year.

[lambeauleap87]

It's kind of wild to see that Burrow prices are relatively unchanged from where they were after his injury in 2020.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

It's kind of wild to see that Burrow prices are relatively unchanged from where they were after his injury in 2020.

Hobby is punishing him for all the sacks he took last year as well as his 1st two games this season. If he had been healthy coking into this year and they would have won both of those games, I think they’d be higher.


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[Dame]

Originally Posted by lambeauleap87

It's kind of wild to see that Burrow prices are relatively unchanged from where they were after his injury in 2020.

Depends what you bought. Collectors had a nice window of opportunity after his injuries. I bought a National Treasures RPA and Black Gold Prizm when he was down and doubts if he’ll ever be the same and sold them after the AFC championship- I’ll grab a few Burrow for PC once the market stabilizes a bit. I just love the guy.

His prices like ALL have dipped in 2022, that’s why compared to 2020 the numbers stayed the same.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by Dame

Depends what you bought. Collectors had a nice window of opportunity after his injuries. I bought a National Treasures RPA and Black Gold Prizm when he was down and doubts if he’ll ever be the same and sold them after the AFC championship- I’ll grab a few Burrow for PC once the market stabilizes a bit. I just love the guy.

His prices like ALL have dipped in 2022, that’s why compared to 2020 the numbers stayed the same.

Kaboom Gold PSA 9 just sold 46k. Seems like a good barometer that the desirable/low run Burrows will go up again in a month.

[blockedbyjames]

Originally Posted by kluke84

Kaboom Gold PSA 9 just sold 46k. Seems like a good barometer that the desirable/low run Burrows will go up again in a month.

High-end holders have been saying that for the last year and longer, and we've seen a magnificent tank in the high end market over the last year. How is any card desirable or not going to go up?

The only player's cards that go up are the super bowl winner, everything else will continue free falling.

[ninjacookies]

Keep moving the goalposts, doubterbois.

Now undefeated against the top 2 qb's in the AFC. And as a squad, they've been far from a dominant powerhouse. So there's something there.

A win this sunday and he's basically hobbyhype kryptonite.