Nat Turner gets 10's you get 8's

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by elontusk1119

SheCollectCards starts getting PSA 10 ... once she become an employee of PSA. Funny how that works. She even titled the video as such -

"PSA SUBS BACK! 10s are so rare.. How often do you get 10s in your submissions?"

absolutely shameless.

[alphaomegas]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Interesting, never heard of this issue before. Can we see scans of your 8's and 9's?

here's one of my orders got taken to pound town.
Done with PSA after my last order
I spread my jordans cause dont want to get a shiity grader like this What a pos company psa is
May make a youtube video and see wtf happen
be going with sgc and cgc going forward

Here's a link to psa grading standards
https://www.psacard.com/resources/gradingstandards

Line # Item # Grade Description
1 1 NEAR MINT 7 1991 Kayo 100 the Battle of the Ages
2 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1991 Merlin WWF 140 Rowdy Roddy Piper Italian
3 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1991 Merlin WWF 136 Undertaker With Paul Bearer Italian
4 1 MINT 9 1991 Merlin WWF 132 British Bulldog Italian
5 1 MINT 9 1991 Merlin WWF 129 Hulk Hogan Italian
6 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1991 Merlin WWF 120 the Undertaker With Paul Bearer Italian
7 1 VERY GOOD 3 1991 Merlin WWF 111 British Bulldog Italian
8 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1991 Merlin WWF 103 the Undertaker Italian
9 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1991 Merlin WWF 103 the Undertaker Italian
10 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1991 Merlin WWF 70 Jimmy Hart Italian
11 1 MINT 9 1991 Merlin WWF 37 the Undertaker/Sid Justice Checklist-Italian
12 1 NEAR MINT 7 1991 Merlin WWF 29 Macho Man Randy Savage Italian
13 1 GEM MINT 10 1991 Merlin WWF 2 Nasty Boys Italian
14 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1991 Classic WWF 64 Undertaker
15 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1991 WWF Playing Cards Hulk Hogan Ace of Diamonds
16 1 GEM MINT 10 1991 WWF Playing Cards Hulk Hogan Ace of Hearts
17 1 MINT 9 1991 WWF Playing Cards Hulk Hogan Ace of Spades
18 1 EXCELLENT 5 1991 WWF Playing Cards Hulk Hogan Ace of Clubs
19 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1991 WWF Playing Cards Undertaker 9 of Clubs
20 1 MINT 9 1991 WWF Playing Cards Undertaker 9 of Hearts
21 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1991 WWF Playing Cards Undertaker 9 of Diamonds
22 1 EXCELLENT 5 1985 O-Pee-Chee WWF Pro Wrestling Stars Sticker 16 Hulk Hogan
23 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1985 Topps WWF 9 Greg "The Hammer" Valentine
24 1 NEAR MINT 7 1985 Topps WWF 6 Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka
25 1 VERY GOOD 3 1987 WWF Hostess Munchies Stickers Hulk Hogan Portrait
26 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1987 WWF Hostess Munchies Stickers Hulk Hogan Portrait
27 1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1987 WWF Hostess Munchies Stickers Randy Savage & Elizabeth
28 1 EXCELLENT 5 1987 WWF Hostess Munchies Stickers Hulk Hogan Action
29 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1992 Merlin WWF Stickers 11 Hulk Hogan
30 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1992 Merlin WWF Stickers 85 Undertaker
31 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1992 Merlin WWF Stickers 141 Randy Savage
32 1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1993 Merlin WWF Superstar Stickers 26 the Undertaker
33 1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1993 Merlin WWF Superstar Stickers 28 the Undertaker
34 1 N9: NOT GRADED No Spec Info, No Grade, No Charge
35 1 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1987 Circle K/Coca-Cola Supermatch Cards 1 Hulk Hogan With Tab
36 1 EXCELLENT 5 1984 Topps 8 Don Mattingly
37 1 NEAR MINT 7 1984 Topps 8 Don Mattingly
38 1 EXCELLENT 5 1984 Topps 66 Astros Batting & Pitching Leaders
39 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1984 Topps 470 Nolan Ryan
40 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1984 Topps 490 Cal Ripken Jr.
41 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1983 Topps 61 Johnny Bench
42 1 EXCELLENT 5 1983 Topps 397 Pete Rose
43 1 NEAR MINT 7 1983 Topps 360 Nolan Ryan
44 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1983 Topps 163 Cal Ripken Jr.
45 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1983 Fleer 360 Tony Gwynn
46 1 MINT 9 1983 Fleer 463 Nolan Ryan
47 1 MINT 9 1983 Donruss 598 Tony Gwynn
48 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1983 Donruss 598 Tony Gwynn
49 1 NEAR MINT 7 1983 Kellogg's 4 George Brett
50 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1983 Kellogg's 58 Mike Schmidt
51 1 MINT 9 1983 Kellogg's 56 Carlton Fisk
52 1 GEM MINT 10 1992 Bowman 461 Mike Piazza
53 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Fleer Glossy 548 Ken Griffey Jr.
54 1 EXCELLENT 5 1982 Topps 780 Pete Rose
55 1 MINT 9 1982 Topps 610 Rickey Henderson
56 1 EXCELLENT 5 1982 Topps 21 Orioles Future Stars Bonner/Ripken/Schneider
57 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1995 Skybox Premium Larger Than Life L1 Michael Jordan
58 1 EXCELLENT 5 1995 Skybox Premium Meltdown M1 Michael Jordan
59 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1989 Hoops 310 David Robinson
60 1 NEAR MINT 7 1993 Skybox Premium Dynamic Dunks D4 Michael Jordan
61 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1992 Upper Deck 1 Shaquille O'Neal
62 1 N6: MINIMUM SIZE REQUIREMENT 1992 Upper Deck 1B Shaquille O'Neal Trade Card
63 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1989 Topps Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 21 Donatello!
64 1 MINT 9 1989 Topps Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 21 Donatello!
65 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Stickers 2 Michaelangelo
66 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1989 Topps Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Stickers 3 Donatello
67 1 EXCELLENT 5 1991 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Hologram Cards Leonardo
68 1 EXCELLENT 5 1991 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Hologram Cards Michelangelo
69 1 EXCELLENT 5 1991 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Hologram Cards Raphael
70 1 EXCELLENT 5 1991 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Hologram Cards Donatello
71 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1982 Donkey Kong Stickers Scratch Off Game Blue
72 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1982 Donkey Kong Stickers Scratch Off Game Blue
73 1 EXCELLENT 5 1982 Donkey Kong Stickers Scratch-Off Game Red-Three at Right Top
74 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1982 Donkey Kong Stickers Scratch-Off Game Red-Four at Right Top
75 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1982 Donkey Kong Stickers Scratch Off Game Yellow
76 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers Hulk-1
77 1 N8: MISCUT 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers Hulk-2
78 1 NEAR MINT 7 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers Medusa
79 1 EXCELLENT 5 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers Captain America-1
80 1 MINT 9 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers Thor-1
81 1 EXCELLENT 5 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers the Falcon
82 1 EXCELLENT 5 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers Captain Marvel
83 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers Ghost Rider
84 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers the Thing-2
85 1 EXCELLENT 5 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers Spider-Man-1
86 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1975 Comic Book Heroes Stickers Spider-Man-2
87 1 EXCELLENT 5 1994 Marvel Masterpieces Holofoil 8 Spider-Man Silver
88 1 MINT 9 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 22 Rescue Zelda and Win!
89 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 20 Punch-Out!!
90 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 17 Link
91 1 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 13 Hit Me...Best Score!
92 1 EXCELLENT 5 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 13 Hit Me...Best Score!
93 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 12 Win With Link
94 1 MINT 9 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 9 Super Mario Bros.
95 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 9 Super Mario Bros.
96 1 MINT 9 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 9 Super Mario Bros.
97 1 NEAR MINT 7 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 8 Little Mac
98 1 NEAR MINT 7 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 5 the Legend of Zelda
99 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Nintendo Game Tip Stickers 2 Linda
100 1 EXCELLENT 5 1989 Topps Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 25 the Shredder
101 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 23 Leonardo!
102 1 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1989 Topps Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 22 Raphael!

[Archangel1775]

Doesn't do any good without scans. The 1980's Topps baseball will be telling. I like the TMNT cards.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

Nat obviously wouldn't advertise getting preferential treatment. Beckett missed the damage and then PSA did the same. Very understandable on a relatively obscure card. Very few of those have been graded.

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Is this fact? It was a BGS 9.5 with that surface missing? Two grading companies, I can't see it. I just done see two people or really anyone, looking at a shiny surface for scratches and missing something like that.

Gawd damn, based on the picture that Dan had, that's really terrible. How do you get two employees from two different companies to miss that?

[Asian62150]

It's a terrible look for Nat, but I don't think the graders know which cards are submitted by Nat.

Yes, it's possible Nat is getting preferential treatment. We can't say for sure since we don't know what's going on behind closed doors and there's not enough transparency and even general objectivity in grading, but it's beyond dumb for a guy to risk his rep for a single grade on this card.

It's more just incompetence by PSA.

I do wonder if he gets to skip the line or has to wait months/years for service like everyone else.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by elontusk1119

SheCollectCards starts getting PSA 10 ... once she become an employee of PSA. Funny how that works. She even titled the video as such -

"PSA SUBS BACK! 10s are so rare.. How often do you get 10s in your submissions?"

Did I miss somethng or are you talking about the conflict of interest? It was a 10-card sub and she got 2 or 3 10's from a Sapphire release? Most were 8's. That's not good.

[alphaomegas]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Doesn't do any good without scans. The 1980's Topps baseball will be telling. I like the TMNT cards.

on the way to house from psa i'll scan them in

From my collection that I decided to send in yes they were in penny sleeves for decades in a closet.

Love turtles have a nice series 1 of the figures set plan to grade those at afa once there website gets better. Was planning to have a nice set up but with this garbage I dont know

[asujbl]

Talking about PSA over the last 5 years might as well be a new hobby for people

[alphaomegas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdKtJAxCUk

smh chipping on second card still get a 10 smh

[r338]

Nat should not grade his own cards with PSA. Clear conflict.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by dunkindutchmen

Nat obviously wouldn't advertise getting preferential treatment. Beckett missed the damage and then PSA did the same. Very understandable on a relatively obscure card. Very few of those have been graded.

Theres like 60 PSA 10’s of that card. It’s not that rare.

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by alphaomegas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdKtJAxCUk

smh chipping on second card still get a 10 smh

Wow.. that’s pretty bad. If those were all the same submission that’s highly suspect.

Originally Posted by r338

Nat should not grade his own cards with PSA. Clear conflict.

100% agree

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by elontusk1119

SheCollectCards starts getting PSA 10 ... once she become an employee of PSA. Funny how that works. She even titled the video as such -

"PSA SUBS BACK! 10s are so rare.. How often do you get 10s in your submissions?"

I'm all for laughing at influencers but did you even watch the video? She subbed 10 cards, and 8/10 of them graded an 8 or lower.

[Orangejello727]

I sold a 8 x psa 9 cards to someone last summer. They re appeared as psa 10s months later. I dont know if its preferential or not, but to be honest, 10s come back as 9s all the time for no reason other than the grader simply didnt want to give it a 10. And vice versa

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Talking about PSA over the last 5 years might as well be a new hobby for people

It’s becoming such a chore that you might want to hire a guy for that.

[90skid]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I sold a 8 x psa 9 cards to someone last summer. They re appeared as psa 10s months later. I dont know if its preferential or not, but to be honest, 10s come back as 9s all the time for no reason other than the grader simply didnt want to give it a 10. And vice versa

That seems really extreme, were they serial # cards to confirm they really yours?

[mossoholic]

Do people not realize that many cards submitted by Nat are very high end? Only so many people own these cards and PSA and BGS are going to know who the super high end cards are from pretty often. Same with the high end cards getting resubmitted and getting higher grades. You think these guys don't see each other and talk at shows? You don't think after years, over a decade, or decades of doing business they don't know who these guys are? On the very high end scale they all know who has what and who is submitting what. This industry has as much or more corruption than any on earth.

[Orndorff24a]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

I'm all for laughing at influencers but did you even watch the video? She subbed 10 cards, and 8/10 of them graded an 8 or lower.

Hahaha right, all 2020 or newer chrome, and the only 10’s were unnumbered(I think) personally I would have been disappointed
I see nats posts on ig (which are less frequent lately), he gets 6’s, 7’s, 5’s, etc. obviously this 10 was a mistake and an egregious one

IMO all grading companies make mistakes, some worse than others, thus why I love raw and 8’s and 9’s from most companies except HGA

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by 90skid

That seems really extreme, were they serial # cards to confirm they really yours?

4 of the 8 were numbered. I know for a fact they were mine. The other 4 were not but what is the chances that the PSA 10 versions of the cards from the batch all serial # in order were not mine as well when submitted? Its not as if they were really common cards (2012 prizm silver base).

Its about all I will say because Im pretty certain the individual wouldnt want me to making their cards public at the moment. And it is totally ok if you do not believe me. Its the truth.

[mfw13]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

It's a terrible look for Nat, but I don't think the graders know which cards are submitted by Nat.

Yes, it's possible Nat is getting preferential treatment. We can't say for sure since we don't know what's going on behind closed doors and there's not enough transparency and even general objectivity in grading, but it's beyond dumb for a guy to risk his rep for a single grade on this card.

It's more just incompetence by PSA.

I do wonder if he gets to skip the line or has to wait months/years for service like everyone else.

It's been rumored for a long time that certain submitters get preferential treatment by the TPGs....so I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is true.

Anybody who thinks that third-party grading is truly objective is very naive....

[threefromthetee]

Originally Posted by r338

Nat should not grade his own cards with PSA. Clear conflict.

He also wins stuff on Goldin, which is another conflict of interest. A lot of questionable stuff, in my opinion, going on at Collectors.

[tobytyler]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

4 of the 8 were numbered. I know for a fact they were mine. The other 4 were not but what is the chances that the PSA 10 versions of the cards from the batch all serial # in order were not mine as well when submitted? Its not as if they were really common cards (2012 prizm silver base).

Its about all I will say because Im pretty certain the individual wouldnt want me to making their cards public at the moment. And it is totally ok if you do not believe me. Its the truth.

Damn, you need to blow that up

Industry is a joke and everybody needs to be aware

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

It's a terrible look for Nat, but I don't think the graders know which cards are submitted by Nat.

Yes, it's possible Nat is getting preferential treatment. We can't say for sure since we don't know what's going on behind closed doors and there's not enough transparency and even general objectivity in grading, but it's beyond dumb for a guy to risk his rep for a single grade on this card.

It's more just incompetence by PSA.

I do wonder if he gets to skip the line or has to wait months/years for service like everyone else.

Of course he gets to skip the line. And I'd say he owns some pretty unique cards. It isn't stuff people are submitting everyday. So I'd even argue that the grader definitely knows it is his cards he is submitting.

Not even to mention the fact that somebody could literally just open the door and tip the grader off. Or what about the paperwork?

[jimmyjam1973]

SMH......and people look at me like I'm from Mars when I tell them that I don't grade. Once BGS or PSA starts doing this through a computer and takes all the human elements out, maybe, but until then, enjoy sending stuff in knowing that unless you're special you're getting 8's.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by jimmyjam1973

SMH......and people look at me like I'm from Mars when I tell them that I don't grade. Once BGS or PSA starts doing this through a computer and takes all the human elements out, maybe, but until then, enjoy sending stuff in knowing that unless you're special you're getting 8's.

I've never graded, and done just fine. Only sent 2 cards to BGS years back. Just not worth the hassle IMO. You can still buy graded cards on the secondary market.