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Who was the Jets' last first round QB to be worth a damn? Chad Pennington? And he was benched for Kellen Clemons if I remember right.
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Derek Carr has a better chance of making the Hall of Fame than 95% of these rookie QB's lasting 5 years as a starter. People investing in these rookie QB's at these prices is absolute insanity.
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I think its VERY hard to get the QB position right. That's why the position is so special. Lotta "guys", not a lotta "greats".
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People evaluating a Qb in 2-3 years in crazy to me. This Qb's would been done and benched if they played around this time. Go check this Qb stats 1st Four years of their career. Steve Young, Joe Montana,John Elway,Jim Kelly,Peyton Manning,Randall Cunningham,Terry Bradshaw,Fran Tartoktan,Rich Gannon ect...
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PM I will take everyones Zach Wilson cards if your dumping them. I will pay or trade in full market value.PM lets see whose bull crapping or bluffing with their Zach Wilson stuff. I just see a bunch of so call card investors in these forums. I see nothing about Hobby and Collecting talk around here anymore to much.
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but if you think he was just "okay", ask the Jets how they felt about Pennington, who KO'd them from the playoffs when he was with Miami. kid was good, don't kid yourself.
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The whole thing to me is hilarious because in a facebook group the other day, someone was trying to sell a Zach Wilson flawless rpa and used a current comp of $10k as the price.
Why the heck would you dish out $10k for zach wilson lol
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Joe Montana - won a Super Bowl in his 3rd year, led the league in completion percentage his 2nd and 3rd year. John Elway - 1x Pro Bowler and led his team to the Super Bowl his 4th year. Jim Kelly - 2x Pro Bowler in his first 4 years. Peyton Manning - 2x Pro Bowler and led the NFL in yards and TDs once in his first 4 years. Randall Cunningham - 1x Pro Bowl, 1x 2nd Team All Pro in his first 4 years. Terry Bradshaw - in terms of counting stats was a top-5 QB his 2nd and 3rd year in the league. Fran Tartoktan (sic) - 1x Pro Bowler and runner up for ROY Rich Gannon - 4th round QB drafted to compete with Wade Wilson to back up Tommy Kramer. Outside of Young and Gannon, all those QBs were succeeding relative to their peer group within 4 years. Gannon was drafted to push a backup to be the insurance policy for a starter, expectations weren't high. Young is probably the best example of the bunch. Outside of Manning, all the counting stats look bad compared to the NFL here in 2022. You can't compare the counting numbers from guys in the 60s, 70s, and 80s and use it as comparison for output today. Who is to say Wilson wouldn't look significantly better if you put him on the 1981 49ers team or the 1997 Broncos team? I thought last year people were judging Wilson too quick. As a rookie on a team with poor talent one would think he wouldn't look great. One would hope that strides are made with reading the defense and decision making while ironing out mistakes. His knucklehead answer to the most recent loss shows an immaturity there that needs to be fixed if he's going to make it in the NFL. |
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But why not list the other side as well? All the Leaf, Russell, Baker, Smith, Couch, Mirer, Darnold, Rosen, etc… The list of busts is longer than your list
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Baker wasn't bad in Cleveland, he helped turn the franchise around, i just think the diva attitude or whatever didn't rub well with the front office and players, i honestly have no clue what happened in Cleveland with him. idk which Smith you are referring to? Alex? Akili? Mirer won AFC Rookie of the Year. but his career was similar to Tony Eason's, he just wasn't that good overall, minus one good season. i think ultimately, it boils down to three issues with first round QBs and whether they succeed or fail in the league. 1- the front office and coaching staff 2- the players around him 3- the QB himself Tim Couch to me is a prime example of a good QB who was failed by the Cleveland Browns franchise for not protecting him. not giving him a good o-line, not giving him wide receiving threats, and then pulling the plug on him the year after he led the Browns to the playoffs because he got hurt. i also think Alex Smith is a very good example of what can happen when a franchise finally gets it right, because Alex was basically Couch 2.0, until Harbaugh came around and the 49ers started building in the right direction. they drafted two o-lineman in the first round, they added Crabtree, Vernon Davis, Gore, Ted Ginn Jr., Moss, Delaine Walker, and Harbaugh made it a point to cater the offense to him. some of these QBs, the franchise doesn't protect them, is inept themselves, or they don't do their homework on certain QBs and fall for the hype, which i think is what is happening with Zach Wilson. Wilson was never the 2nd best QB in the draft to anybody that was open minded and followed the class itself overall prior to the draft. it was Fields all the way. he and Lawrence were 1-2 since high school, and then all of a sudden Wilson comes around and not only somehow entered the conversation, but basically cemented the #2 pick with one crazy awesome throw in an open workout. he's not Ryan Leaf or Josh Rosen or Sam Darnold, i do think he's got a lot of talent, but he's not a good fit for the Jets to me, and never was. he fit the 49ers offense.
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Are we getting a sense in here of how history will remember Zach Wilson?
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I don’t think Zach’s played his last game as a Jet. This seems more of a let’s give him a break to get his mind clear and get his footwork and stuff cleaned up. Unless Mike White goes on some unbelieveable run of games. I think Zach is back in 2 weeks
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Bigger question is do the Jets look at Jimmy G in the off-season. Connection with the HC and not immature like Wilson.
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