HGA 8.5 Jordan Fleer #57. Something wrong with it?

[TheOneRingKing]

Hi all. I'm debating whether to buy this Jordan or not and wondering if something is wrong with it. It hasn't been snatched up yet at below $5k.

[discodanman45]

The biggest thing wrong with it is that it is in a HGA holder. I am fine buying cards up to $100-$200 in a HGA slab, but a Jordan rookie gives red flags. Did it get minimum size or altered by PSA, and someone then submitted to HGA?

[SupermanBrandon]

Just ask yourself...why is this card in a HGA slab? That is where you will find your answer.

[captionwanker]

just buy a psa 7 at $4.5 will probably be under $4k in a few weeks.

[TheOneRingKing]

That's what I was thinking with it being HGA and it looks like the edges are rough and possibly altered and that is why someone sent to hga

[bmf]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

The biggest thing wrong with it is that it is in a HGA holder.

Lol beat me to it.

[mjohnatgt]

Because nobody ever sends altered cards into PSA for number grades...

[cowboyzqna]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Because nobody ever sends altered cards into PSA for number grades...

This is the silly argument that everyone seems to have with these new "grading" companies. It doesn't work. Anyone who's been in the hobby for any amount of time understands exactly what hga is. Them and the other 200 "companies" that cane about in the last two to five years.



There is a reason it's in that case.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

This is the silly argument that everyone seems to have with these new "grading" companies. It doesn't work. Anyone who's been in the hobby for any amount of time understands exactly what hga is. Them and the other 200 "companies" that cane about in the last two to five years.

Silly, huh? How many Robert Block-trimmed 86 Fleer Jordans are in PSA and BGS holders? How many from the other 50 trimmers that made PSA their bitch for 20 years?

[GOATcards]

blowout members say, be wary of fool's gold

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by TheOneRingKing

That's what I was thinking with it being HGA and it looks like the edges are rough and possibly altered and that is why someone sent to hga

You can still get PSA 10s with edges that look like they've been treated with a jackhammer, so no dice on HGA incompetence being unique.

[cowboyzqna]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Silly, huh? How many Robert Block-trimmed 86 Fleer Jordans are in PSA and BGS holders? How many from the other 50 trimmers that made PSA their bitch for 20 years?

Collect what you like... I'll keep stacking PSA 10s because they are my favorite. Just because I think it's silly doesn't mean much really. There is obviously a market for these new slabs. I'm happy to see money go there. Less competition for what I want... and you'll never see me go after an xxx case.



Do we have a count on how many new grading companies sprang up these last few years? No exaggeration I swear it has to be at least 10.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

Do we have a count on how many new grading companies sprang up these last few years? No exaggeration I swear it has to be at least 10.

CSG/CGC
FCG
HGA
Southern Heritage something?
New Canadian one?
The grading kiosk with crowdsourcing the grade?
The high-end only one?

Sure, there are a bunch of new grading companies. But big, established companies can be incompetent too. In fact, they've got a paper trail of fraud and incompetence a Martian orbit long. That's all I'm really saying.

The only way we get competition in the space is for companies that can actually grade cards accurately is for people to try them out with large dollar cards. FCG was promoting just how hard they grade, and that PSA normally gave the same grade or higher to cards a guy cracked out. Does that mean FCG was wrong, or does it mean PSA was wrong or judged on different criteria?

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by TheOneRingKing

Hi all. I'm debating whether to buy this Jordan or not and wondering if something is wrong with it. It hasn't been snatched up yet at below $5k.

If you're debating buy this card, might as well burn $5k.

As other saids, ask yourself, WHY is this card in a HGA holder?

[JWBlue]

Card looks awesome. Is that authentic?

[vthobby]

It's slabbed by HGA.

[Stat Monsters]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Just ask yourself...why is this card in a HGA slab? That is where you will find your answer.

I have to agree with this statement.

If you have a Jordan for a PC, that's one thing.

If you're trying to monetize a Jordan, then grading with any other company other than PSA and BGS is insane. SGC is a distant 3rd and CSG is about the same, maybe a tad behind SCG.

HGA is a horrible option with a high end card due to the stigmas of a new grading company, not to slander HGA in any way, it's like how collectors put Yasil Puig in the HOF after his 1st season in MLB or any rookie for that matter.

HGA needs to earn their keep and establish a reputation which takes 3-5 years generally. Remember that awful grading company a few decades ago, GAI... the absolute worst... They are the "Spinal Tap" of Card Graders, if they could give a card a 11 grade out of a 10 scale, they would

https://www.markearzoumanian.com/my-...essons-learned

I'd never buy an HGA graded card for fear of restoration/altering as well as gift grading / overgrading.

I'd consider slabbing my own PC and if the wheels fall off the HGA bus and they end up being lackluster graders, I can always crossover or crack and submit to PSA or BGS with the confidence it was my own raw card. I'd never buy a Jordan in fear of color retouches, trimming or overgrading standards.

[ninjacookies]

cKlean slab, bluh.

Real transparent, thin; tight.

[grizjunkie23]

I’d put SGC as the clear second for monetizing the Jordan currently. BGS has fallen off a cliff, price wise.

Originally Posted by Stat Monsters

I have to agree with this statement.

If you have a Jordan for a PC, that's one thing.

If you're trying to monetize a Jordan, then grading with any other company other than PSA and BGS is insane. SGC is a distant 3rd and CSG is about the same, maybe a tad behind SCG.

HGA is a horrible option with a high end card due to the stigmas of a new grading company, not to slander HGA in any way, it's like how collectors put Yasil Puig in the HOF after his 1st season in MLB or any rookie for that matter.

HGA needs to earn their keep and establish a reputation which takes 3-5 years generally. Remember that awful grading company a few decades ago, GAI... the absolute worst... They are the "Spinal Tap" of Card Graders, if they could give a card a 11 grade out of a 10 scale, they would

https://www.markearzoumanian.com/my-...essons-learned

I'd never buy an HGA graded card for fear of restoration/altering as well as gift grading / overgrading.

I'd consider slabbing my own PC and if the wheels fall off the HGA bus and they end up being lackluster graders, I can always crossover or crack and submit to PSA or BGS with the confidence it was my own raw card. I'd never buy a Jordan in fear of color retouches, trimming or overgrading standards.

[AbraCalabro]

If you send to PSA like some say you might get a 10, I've seen worse cards graded GEM MINT 10 baby!!!

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by grizjunkie23

I’d put SGC as the clear second for monetizing the Jordan currently. BGS has fallen off a cliff, price wise.

Ditto.

I trust SGC much more than i trust BGS.

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

If you send to PSA like some say you might get a 10, I've seen worse cards graded GEM MINT 10 baby!!!

obviously this card didn't get a 10 when it was submitted to psa

[GOATcards]

as for MJ #57 crossovers, the last interesting one i heard about was from psa 10 to bgs 10 gold-label like a decade ago. A black-label 10 MJ is probably not going to happen?