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[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by regularp

Willie better do the right thing and keep starting Trey when everyone is healthy. Herb is fine coming off the bench until he develops a shot.

I believe Trey's actually been starting for BI? And slotting Dyson at the point (even though CJ handles the rock).

I do think they should roll out Trey at the 2 when Ingram returns. But a selfish side of me actually likes the synergy and energy from this starting 5. It's been working damn well.

The Pels may actually be facing the dilemma of having too much talent at this point. The development of their sophomore players has come sooner than expected. Almost guaranteed one of the bench guys comes up big every night. Tonight was Naji.

Regardless of the lineup rotations, one thing's for certain: the point Z experiment should cease being an experiment and be installed permanently.

Been saying this for years: he's Draymond on HGH with every conceivable athletic advantage and top 5 scoring ability.


The way he abused Stewy (arguably one of the strongest men in the league himself) tonight was straight comedy.

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5 game winning streak! I’ll be happy to go 1-1 against the Suns next 2

[regularp]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I believe Trey's actually been starting for BI? And slotting Dyson at the point (even though CJ handles the rock).

I do think they should roll out Trey at the 2 when Ingram returns. But a selfish side of me actually likes the synergy and energy from this starting 5. It's been working damn well.

The Pels may actually be facing the dilemma of having too much talent at this point. The development of their sophomore players has come sooner than expected. Almost guaranteed one of the bench guys comes up big every night. Tonight was Naji.

Regardless of the lineup rotations, one thing's for certain: the point Z experiment should cease being an experiment and be installed permanently.

Been saying this for years: he's Draymond on HGH with every conceivable athletic advantage and top 5 scoring ability.


The way he abused Stewy (arguably one of the strongest men in the league himself) tonight was straight comedy.

I guess he's technically starting for BI but we know BI is locked into the starting lineup. Herb's the odd man out unless they go small and bench Val, which I don't see happening.

Trey has four 20 point games in the last seven; Herb doesn't have any all season. Trey can hit threes at a high percentage on volume. It'll be inexcusable to bring him off the bench going forward. Herb has to take a seat.

With all their talent and picks, they'll be in the market for a consolidation trade whenever they feel like it. Griff's goal should be maximizing Zion's abilities and putting the best team around him. If that makes BI or CJ uncomfortable or less efficient, they can head out as well.

I think he's probably great for the locker room and having a grown-up around but CJ looks terrible this season. He couldn't get by anybody tonight.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by regularp

I guess he's technically starting for BI but we know BI is locked into the starting lineup. Herb's the odd man out unless they go small and bench Val, which I don't see happening.

Trey has four 20 point games in the last seven; Herb doesn't have any all season. Trey can hit threes at a high percentage on volume. It'll be inexcusable to bring him off the bench going forward. Herb has to take a seat.

With all their talent and picks, they'll be in the market for a consolidation trade whenever they feel like it. Griff's goal should be maximizing Zion's abilities and putting the best team around him. If that makes BI or CJ uncomfortable or less efficient, they can head out as well.

I think he's probably great for the locker room and having a grown-up around but CJ looks terrible this season. He couldn't get by anybody tonight.

I agree with that. But I think Herb is still getting the starting nod because of his defensive ability. He's really one of the few guys on the roster that can defend 1-4, especially on the perimeter. BUT the way the offense has been operating cannot be denied. Outside of CJ and his erratic stretches of bad ISO sequences...it's a well-oiled machine. BI and CJ have to learn how to take the backseat to Z in order for this team to realize its potential. There's no other way around it. Whether or not that actually happens remains to be seen. Depending on how the season concludes, the Pels should have a lot of flexibility with ditching/trading away bloated contracts going forward.

Lest we forget they're still in for LA's 1st rounder this upcoming draft. Scary thought.

[regularp]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I agree with that. But I think Herb is still getting the starting nod because of his defensive ability. He's really one of the few guys on the roster that can defend 1-4, especially on the perimeter. BUT the way the offense has been operating cannot be denied. Outside of CJ and his erratic stretches of bad ISO sequences...it's a well-oiled machine. BI and CJ have to learn how to take the backseat to Z in order for this team to realize its potential. There's no other way around it. Whether or not that actually happens remains to be seen. Depending on how the season concludes, the Pels should have a lot of flexibility with ditching/trading away bloated contracts going forward.

Lest we forget they're still in for LA's 1st rounder this upcoming draft. Scary thought.

I think Willie will start Herb as well but I don't like that line of thinking. The starting lineup is clogged with Herb out there so it's gonna lead to slow starts. I would always go offense first in the starting lineup so you can get out to an early lead. You can ramp up defensive pressure as the game goes on.

Also, the gap from Trey's defense to Herb's is smaller than the gap from Trey's offense to Herb's. They lose a little defensively without Herb but they lose a lot more offensively without Trey.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by regularp

I think Willie will start Herb as well but I don't like that line of thinking. The starting lineup is clogged with Herb out there so it's gonna lead to slow starts. I would always go offense first in the starting lineup so you can get out to an early lead. You can ramp up defensive pressure as the game goes on.

Also, the gap from Trey's defense to Herb's is smaller than the gap from Trey's offense to Herb's. They lose a little defensively without Herb but they lose a lot more offensively without Trey.

I'm still on the fence about BI as well. He is absolutely an amazing talent, but both he, Cj, and Zion is too much offensive congestion and muddies the offensive flow. We're a little more than a third way through the season, so perhaps the cohesion will come in time. I think in time Trey's defense will continue to improve. His size is incredible, and he's deceptively athletic. Herb will always be one of the premier perimeter defenders because of his ability to slither through and around screens. This is a great problem to have.

[regularp]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'm still on the fence about BI as well. He is absolutely an amazing talent, but both he, Cj, and Zion is too much offensive congestion and muddies the offensive flow. We're a little more than a third way through the season, so perhaps the cohesion will come in time. I think in time Trey's defense will continue to improve. His size is incredible, and he's deceptively athletic. Herb will always be one of the premier perimeter defenders because of his ability to slither through and around screens. This is a great problem to have.

I've never believed in the BI pairing. Really talented but he's a ball stopper and slows the game down. Not much of a spot-up shooter either. None of that is an ideal fit next to Zion. I'm not sure who they could trade him for though. Tough to get equal value for him.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by regularp

I've never believed in the BI pairing. Really talented but he's a ball stopper and slows the game down. Not much of a spot-up shooter either. None of that is an ideal fit next to Zion. I'm not sure who they could trade him for though. Tough to get equal value for him.

I want to be fair and at least give it until the end of the season. But yeah...I think the talent on paper between these two is undeniable, but the fit might not be in line. They wouldn't necessarily need a major haul in return based on their current depth.

Honestly, a dude like Mikal Bridges would be a shoe-in with his defense and system style of offensive play, but that's a pipe dream.




Pels currently have the #1 defensive rating and are #8 in net offense. This ain't no fluke.