Observations on the current state of the hobby from a show this weekend - Page 52

hermanotarjeta · 12-22-2022, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cholodolo

Yes, exactly -- I find between 70-90% reasonable at shows.

Found the very firm "you need to give me a 50% discount, but I'm not budging off my price" quite annoying and childish.

If a dealer ever offers me only 50% for a card, I always flip it around to them and tell them I’ll buy the card I’m trying to sell from them for 50% off.

It never fails to make them look and feel foolish.

ThoseBackPages · 12-22-2022, 01:51 PM

50% off for dealers was the norm in the old days

cholodolo · 12-22-2022, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

If a dealer ever offers me only 50% for a card, I always flip it around to them and tell them I’ll buy the card I’m trying to sell from them for 50% off.

It never fails to make them look and feel foolish.

LOL exactly.

I didn't hesitate to look at his case, find the Ohtani for $500, and say "I'll give you $200 cash for it".

hermanotarjeta · 12-22-2022, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cholodolo

LOL exactly.

I didn't hesitate to look at his case, find the Ohtani for $500, and say "I'll give you $200 cash for it".

I’ll even take it one step further and offer to buy the card for 60% comps (when I’m asking for 70%), then they really feel like an idiot.

cholodolo · 12-22-2022, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I’ll even take it one step further and offer to buy the card for 60% comps (when I’m asking for 70%), then they really feel like an idiot.

Aggressive. Like that approach. Cards are a two-way street.

Dale, hermano.

Raleigh504 · 12-22-2022, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cholodolo

Yes, exactly -- I find between 70-90% reasonable at shows.

Found the very firm "you need to give me a 50% discount, but I'm not budging off my price" quite annoying and childish.

One thing I do hate, only happened once, was someone was asking if I would do less on a card. Said I could do X price. Then said they wanted to trade cards for that one with the lowered price. He didn't have anything good and wanted 2x for what he had. To me, its one or the other. If I come down then its cash, if you want to trade for it then its full list price.

jkampis · 12-22-2022, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I’ll even take it one step further and offer to buy the card for 60% comps (when I’m asking for 70%), then they really feel like an idiot.

That idiocy seems like a two way street in that example. Why would one rebuy the card they just sold?

ObanMontecristo · 12-22-2022, 09:48 PM

I totally understand that dealers need to make money on the cards, but I’m not interested in selling a card as low as 50%, for the dealer to just immediately turn it around and put it in their case at 100% (or more). Should be more like 70%, maybe 80% if it’s a trade.

MoreToppsPlease · 12-22-2022, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

I totally understand that dealers need to make money on the cards, but I’m not interested in selling a card as low as 50%, for the dealer to just immediately turn it around and put it in their case at 100% (or more). Should be more like 70%, maybe 80% if it’s a trade.

What makes you think the dealer cares? 98% of them exist to make money off of you.

pewe · 12-22-2022, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

What makes you think the dealer cares? 98% of them exist to make money off of you.

What are the other 2% in business to do???

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ObanMontecristo · 12-22-2022, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

What makes you think the dealer cares? 98% of them exist to make money off of you.

I’m sure there are some dealers who don’t care. And probably 100% exist to make money off of me/us. I’m just stating my opinion, and at the end of the day, if I think a dealer isn’t fair, I’ll just sell or trade (or buy) with someone else who is. As I said, I understand dealers need to make a profit, but you can also do it without ripping people off

MoreToppsPlease · 12-22-2022, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

I’m sure there are some dealers who don’t care. And probably 100% exist to make money off of me/us. I’m just stating my opinion, and at the end of the day, if I think a dealer isn’t fair, I’ll just sell or trade (or buy) with someone else who is. As I said, I understand dealers need to make a profit, but you can also do it without ripping people off

Sure, ideally I’m with you. Unfortunately most people who do sell are mostly opportunists to a large degree.

Just look at what happened during the recent surge in prices caused by COVID and you’ll find there’s no shortage of gougers in the hobby, especially when the opportunity presents itself. Opportunists.

MoreToppsPlease · 12-22-2022, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pewe

What are the other 2% in business to do???

Some dealers do exist just to pass the time and (ghastl!) don’t need money.

Dealers who doesn’t need money are the best dealers. Contrast that with the many desperate opportunists…rational people don’t like to buy from them if they don’t have to.

Raleigh504 · 12-23-2022, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

I totally understand that dealers need to make money on the cards, but I’m not interested in selling a card as low as 50%, for the dealer to just immediately turn it around and put it in their case at 100% (or more). Should be more like 70%, maybe 80% if it’s a trade.

Honestly it also depends on the card coming to the table for sale or trade. If it is an Acuna base rookie PSA 9 or 10, I am not paying strong on that at all. If it is a RC auto/parallel or vintage higher grade HOF then I will pay stronger. Too many people now think all their cards are worth way more because of 1 comp or a comp during COVID.

pewe · 12-23-2022, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Some dealers do exist just to pass the time and (ghastl!) don’t need money.

Dealers who doesn’t need money are the best dealers. Contrast that with the many desperate opportunists…rational people don’t like to buy from them if they don’t have to.

Ooooh! A dealer + hobbyist chimera. The mythical being of immense power.

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ObanMontecristo · 12-23-2022, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Raleigh504

Honestly it also depends on the card coming to the table for sale or trade. If it is an Acuna base rookie PSA 9 or 10, I am not paying strong on that at all. If it is a RC auto/parallel or vintage higher grade HOF then I will pay stronger. Too many people now think all their cards are worth way more because of 1 comp or a comp during COVID.

Yeah, I agree with this

SpartanWarrior · 12-23-2022, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

I totally understand that dealers need to make money on the cards, but I’m not interested in selling a card as low as 50%, for the dealer to just immediately turn it around and put it in their case at 100% (or more). Should be more like 70%, maybe 80% if it’s a trade.

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It depends on the cards being offered.

Babe Ruth graded - yeah, There will be a strong offer out there.

Bunch of 2nd/3rd tier low grade HOFer's and commons. Well 50% might be a ridiculously strong offer.

How long do you think it takes to sell cards? How much overhead and labor is involved? How much stuff are you NEVER going to be able to sell?

Pay for a table, spend the weekend there selling. You might feel a bit differently about the chances of selling the stuff your carrying around.

theshowandme · 12-23-2022, 09:16 AM

99% of the cards in a card show will not be transacted during a weekend show.

A lot of showcases are watered down right now.

No one wants dudes hitting .270 with 20 homers or averaging 18 and 6 a night. People want future hall of famers

cholodolo · 12-23-2022, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Raleigh504

One thing I do hate, only happened once, was someone was asking if I would do less on a card. Said I could do X price. Then said they wanted to trade cards for that one with the lowered price. He didn't have anything good and wanted 2x for what he had. To me, its one or the other. If I come down then its cash, if you want to trade for it then its full list price.

Oh, you are absolutely correct here. Any price movement is a cash deal. That's the whole point lol! The cash discount.

That guy was pushing the envelope of polite behavior.

pewe · 12-23-2022, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

No one wants dudes hitting .270 with 20 homers

I Wander who you are thinking of?

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solt0131 · 12-27-2022, 08:37 AM

Just loaded up on more cheap stuff in preparation for the show circuit in 2023. In my opinion, this is where the money is going to be for this coming year. Load up on as much cheap stuff as you can find and ride out this wave.

theshowandme · 12-27-2022, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

99% of the cards in a card show will not be transacted during a weekend show.

A lot of showcases are watered down right now.

No one wants dudes hitting .270 with 20 homers or averaging 18 and 6 a night. People want future hall of famers

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Originally Posted by pewe

I Wander who you are thinking of?

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I will be shocked if he ever puts 20 out in a season tbh

pewe · 12-27-2022, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

I will be shocked if he ever puts 20 out in a season tbh

No doubt... he doesn't have the exit velocity (and unlikely to develop it later in life). My read: Jeter 2.0

Raleigh504 · 12-27-2022, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by solt0131

Just loaded up on more cheap stuff in preparation for the show circuit in 2023. In my opinion, this is where the money is going to be for this coming year. Load up on as much cheap stuff as you can find and ride out this wave.

Oh yea as well as cheaper slabs too. Not everyone wants a PSA 10 for several hundred/thousand.

theshowandme · 12-27-2022, 10:32 AM

I will be bargain binning the hell out of shows in March/April in Philly and Chantilly.

It's not always worth it flipping through $2 Alec Bohm cards, but every once in a while you find a $30 card that is in a $1 bin.

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ObanMontecristo Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Collegeville PA Posts: 1,862	I totally understand that dealers need to make money on the cards, but I’m not interested in selling a card as low as 50%, for the dealer to just immediately turn it around and put it in their case at 100% (or more). Should be more like 70%, maybe 80% if it’s a trade.

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theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,036 theshowandme nova_cards	99% of the cards in a card show will not be transacted during a weekend show. A lot of showcases are watered down right now. No one wants dudes hitting .270 with 20 homers or averaging 18 and 6 a night. People want future hall of famers

12-27-2022, 08:37 AM	#1296
solt0131 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 9,121 PghSportsCards	Just loaded up on more cheap stuff in preparation for the show circuit in 2023. In my opinion, this is where the money is going to be for this coming year. Load up on as much cheap stuff as you can find and ride out this wave.

12-27-2022, 10:32 AM	#1300
theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,036 theshowandme nova_cards	I will be bargain binning the hell out of shows in March/April in Philly and Chantilly. It's not always worth it flipping through $2 Alec Bohm cards, but every once in a while you find a $30 card that is in a $1 bin.