Default BLOCK eBay user chirps28 - Undersold an item. USPS INTERCEPTED the item back

[Shinypsptitans]

Just wanting to share my experience with eBay user "chirps28"

The seller apparently didn't do research when selling a Pokemon card. Sold it for $130 BIN. Realastically the item was worth about 2.5x his asking price.

Seller messages me sob stories about sending it back to him after he already shipped it. I said I'd purchase another item from his store to try and be fair...He then proceeds to block me and INTERCEPT the package back to sender. It is now on his way back to him.

Talk about NOT honoring an agreement between buyer and seller and taking responsiblity for not being informed on what you're selling!

[Jaysabz]

You posted this because obviously you are looking for feedback.

Technically, he made a mistake. Technically, pursuant to eBay policy, that items should belong to you.

But I dunno man, you don't come out of this looking squeaky clean either.

[Shinypsptitans]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

You posted this because obviously you are looking for feedback.

Technically, he made a mistake. Technically, pursuant to eBay policy, that items should belong to you.

But I dunno man, you don't come out of this looking squeaky clean either.

While I get that buying an underpriced item isn't "squeaky clean," if you see a box of cards priced at 50% of current market value...would you let the vendor know and tell him to raise the price or buy it yourself? If you see a slab in a dealer case marked about half of what it normally sells for...would you tell the dealer to up the price?

Also, as a seller myself...would it sting selling an item under it's going rate because I didn't do my research? Sure. However, shame on me for not doing my due diligence. Would I still honor my sale and word/bond to the buyer? Yes.

Keep in mind I also offered to buy more of the seller's inventory in fairness to him as well, which I certainly didn't have to do.

[DynaEtch]

I agree that the seller is in the wrong here, and deserves whatever feedback is warranted. This really should be posted in the 'Member feedback' forum under the Marketplace section though- it's a section for call-outs for sellers and buyers doing shady things like this. Really not in the nonsports section, or the Baseball section where you also posted it.

If seller intercepted the package and goes back to him, I would just let it go, not much can be done. It's not entirely different than a seller outright canceling a purchase before shipping, which happens more than enough on ebay, just with a little different timeframe. You will obviously file for INR case if the seller doesnt just refund. The most that can be done is giving appropriate feedback, and calling out the sellers user ID, which you already did, so others can block or not buy from. I believe there is a charge for USPS package intercepts, so at the least they probably had to pay extra money to do that.

[varjakpaul]

Originally Posted by Shinypsptitans

Just wanting to share my experience with eBay user "chirps28"

The seller apparently didn't do research when selling a Pokemon card. Sold it for $130 BIN. Realastically the item was worth about 2.5x his asking price.

Seller messages me sob stories about sending it back to him after he already shipped it. I said I'd purchase another item from his store to try and be fair...He then proceeds to block me and INTERCEPT the package back to sender. It is now on his way back to him.

Talk about NOT honoring an agreement between buyer and seller and taking responsiblity for not being informed on what you're selling!

Lost in all this but...this sounds like a fair price for the card? It's not a shadowless, it's not a first edition. $130ish is like $20 above the price of the last one. This is ridiculous and I'm glad you put us on alert not to deal with this person.

[chilly55]

This seller went one step further with me. Won a Leonard Nimoy auto for $384.00. Paid, and he actually sent it out. Item arrived to be authenticated and failed. Why? He sent a different card. He had actually relisted the Nimoy before Ebay failed the authentication.

Anyway, beware this seller. You will waste your time.

dishpanofowstore

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by chilly55

This seller went one step further with me. Won a Leonard Nimoy auto for $384.00. Paid, and he actually sent it out. Item arrived to be authenticated and failed. Why? He sent a different card. He had actually relisted the Nimoy before Ebay failed the authentication.

Anyway, beware this seller. You will waste your time.

dishpanofowstore

It is for this reason I wish ebay authentication would be more transparent with why cards failed. As the buyer, I had an artbox HP auto get rejected from authentication, and I strongly believe it was because the seller sent a different card, because it was an auction and ended low. But there is no way to tell for sure. It'd make a LOT of sense if ebay could just message the buyer saying the card received at authentication was a totally different card.

It doesnt even really make sense for a seller to send a different card to get rejected instead of outright canceling (why pay the shipping)...but I guess I can see some sellers shipping it just so the buyer doesnt know for sure they are choosing to get out of the sale (rejection might seem more innocent).

Edit: just looked at that feedback profile, what a disaster.

[HeyRelaxGuy]

I didn't know you could intercept a package! I thought once it gets mailed out, then that's it.

I can kinda' relate to what the OP is saying here. During the pandemic boom, I purchased this high-grade 1982 Wrestling All-Stars Series A set for about two-thousand USD. I could have probably doubled or tripled my money. The following morning, the seller cancelled the sale and refunded me. His excuse was his baby spilled some milk on it or something like that. A few hours later, he listed it back on eBay at a higher price (and it still sold very quickly!) I happily negged his a**.

When I complained about it on another forum, I remember getting a few negative responses from the other posters. It's almost like they were saying I was the problem (and not the seller!) But like Shinypsptitans on here pointed out, was I supposed to tell the seller to RAISE his price? Seriously? lol

[Jaysabz]

Originally Posted by HeyRelaxGuy

I didn't know you could intercept a package! I thought once it gets mailed out, then that's it.

I can kinda' relate to what the OP is saying here. During the pandemic boom, I purchased this high-grade 1982 Wrestling All-Stars Series A set for about two-thousand USD. I could have probably doubled or tripled my money. The following morning, the seller cancelled the sale and refunded me. His excuse was his baby spilled some milk on it or something like that. A few hours later, he listed it back on eBay at a higher price (and it still sold very quickly!) I happily negged his a**.

When I complained about it on another forum, I remember getting a few negative responses from the other posters. It's almost like they were saying I was the problem (and not the seller!) But like Shinypsptitans on here pointed out, was I supposed to tell the seller to RAISE his price? Seriously? lol

No, but if after the fact, the seller contacts you and lets you know it's a mistake, wouldn't the moral reaction be to make it right?

I've been to grocery stores where the clerk gives me my checkout price, and it's lesser than the week before for the same items. I think there may be a mistake, as my price is usually $100. You have charged me $60.

Wow thank you, I scanned the one can in a pack of twelve instead of the pack of twelve wrapping!

Do you man, I'm not claiming to be holier than thou, but he contacted you about the mistake, and you pretty much told him to F himself, maybe I'll buy another item from your eBay store as compensation for your selling me a card at a 2.5x actual value loss, when you've pleaded with me to make it right.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

No, but if after the fact, the seller contacts you and lets you know it's a mistake, wouldn't the moral reaction be to make it right?

I've been to grocery stores where the clerk gives me my checkout price, and it's lesser than the week before for the same items. I think there may be a mistake, as my price is usually $100. You have charged me $60.

Wow thank you, I scanned the one can in a pack of twelve instead of the pack of twelve wrapping!

Do you man, I'm not claiming to be holier than thou, but he contacted you about the mistake, and you pretty much told him to F himself, maybe I'll buy another item from your eBay store as compensation for your selling me a card at a 2.5x actual value loss, when you've pleaded with me to make it right.

I take a difference stance than this post and imo the seller is in the wrong, reneging on a sale at an agreed price. The grocery store example is ringing up the sale wrong/missing scans, that's not exactly whats going on here.

A mistake in pricing is listing a box of 1992 Marvel masterpieces for buy it now $5 instead of $500. I've seen it before on ebay, and let the sellers know before someone swoops in and buys it, and I dont think anyone expects the seller to follow through (although some very honest sellers still might). Those kind of pricing mistakes are pretty obvious. Someone pricing something at $140 when it's worth $250 isnt the same territory and could be a slew of things including didnt do adequate research for comps, laziness, or whatever. Or someone selling something at $1000 when the price then jumps overnight to $1800, and so they cancel the sale- again, this is a seller reneging on a transaction and deserves whatever feedback the buyer feels warranted.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

No, but if after the fact, the seller contacts you and lets you know it's a mistake, wouldn't the moral reaction be to make it right?

I've been to grocery stores where the clerk gives me my checkout price, and it's lesser than the week before for the same items. I think there may be a mistake, as my price is usually $100. You have charged me $60.

Wow thank you, I scanned the one can in a pack of twelve instead of the pack of twelve wrapping!

Do you man, I'm not claiming to be holier than thou, but he contacted you about the mistake, and you pretty much told him to F himself, maybe I'll buy another item from your eBay store as compensation for your selling me a card at a 2.5x actual value loss, when you've pleaded with me to make it right.

You're also missing the part where the OP said the seller had already mailed out the package. What is the buyer supposed to do at that point, other than offer to purchase another item or two from the seller's store? You don't seriously expect the buyer to return the item after it's already been shipped, right?

[KPOD]

Originally Posted by varjakpaul

Lost in all this but...this sounds like a fair price for the card? It's not a shadowless, it's not a first edition. $130ish is like $20 above the price of the last one. This is ridiculous and I'm glad you put us on alert not to deal with this person.

If you look closely, the Alakazam actually is the shadowless variant, and was mislabeled as an unlimited Alakazam by PSA.

[gghobby]

Originally Posted by chilly55

This seller went one step further with me. Won a Leonard Nimoy auto for $384.00. Paid, and he actually sent it out. Item arrived to be authenticated and failed. Why? He sent a different card. He had actually relisted the Nimoy before Ebay failed the authentication.

Anyway, beware this seller. You will waste your time.

dishpanofowstore

i actually bought from this guy and didnt see the horrible feedback until after i paid. i crossed my fingers and actually got what i paid for. sucks tho for everyone else

[chilly55]

Originally Posted by gghobby

i actually bought from this guy and didnt see the horrible feedback until after i paid. i crossed my fingers and actually got what i paid for. sucks tho for everyone else

Good for you. He has relisted the Nimoy 3 more times and each time, it sold for less than what I paid. None of the three buyers received the Nimoy.

As far as intercepting a package. Yes, you can do it at any point up to delivery. Once delivery scan has been made, that's it, even if the customer hasn't picked up the package from the front door or mailbox.

There is a fee to use this service, so it is not free.

[PurplesaurusRex]

I can see both sides, but intercepting the package? That takes it to a whole new level of pettiness.

[davis20009]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

It is for this reason I wish ebay authentication would be more transparent with why cards failed. As the buyer, I had an artbox HP auto get rejected from authentication, and I strongly believe it was because the seller sent a different card, because it was an auction and ended low. But there is no way to tell for sure. It'd make a LOT of sense if ebay could just message the buyer saying the card received at authentication was a totally different card.

It doesnt even really make sense for a seller to send a different card to get rejected instead of outright canceling (why pay the shipping)...but I guess I can see some sellers shipping it just so the buyer doesnt know for sure they are choosing to get out of the sale (rejection might seem more innocent).

I HATE eBay's Authentication service. I have had two cards fail. One was a rare card that I won for around $600 but had gone for a lot more in the past. The second was an Anthony Daniels autograph that closed at about half what it normally goes for. Two different sellers. In both case the card eBay received "failed" to be Authenticated. Instead of protecting buyers from scammers (which wasn't a massive problem in non-sport) it has become a cop out for sellers to get out of sending items where auctions close below what they want. It is ridiculous eBay doesn't tell you why the card failed. Not only should they tell you but send a photo of what they received.

Also there should be something like a three strikes and you are out policy and you are kicked off eBay as a seller as right not it seems like there are zero ramifications for sellers who are scamming the system.

[EW Cards]

Originally Posted by chilly55

This seller went one step further with me. Won a Leonard Nimoy auto for $384.00. Paid, and he actually sent it out. Item arrived to be authenticated and failed. Why? He sent a different card. He had actually relisted the Nimoy before Ebay failed the authentication.

Anyway, beware this seller. You will waste your time.

dishpanofowstore

I won a less than $100 card from this seller recently - A Skybox Trek autograph. I’m wondering now how this seller has soooo many Skybox Trek cards. I agree, the feedback is a disaster. I think I’ll just cross this seller off my list.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by KPOD

If you look closely, the Alakazam actually is the shadowless variant, and was mislabeled as an unlimited Alakazam by PSA.

Someone probably reached out to the seller after the card was purchased to let him know the PSA mistake.

Seller is the scumbag. It’s your responsibility to know your items.

[armyml]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Someone probably reached out to the seller after the card was purchased to let him know the PSA mistake.

Seller is the scumbag. It’s your responsibility to know your items.

This. Even if this was the case, and not a case of just listing something incorrectly it's on the seller. I list so many cards on Ebay for my store everyday and no doubt mistakes are made. I just have to let them ride when it happens because it's a scummy move to back out of a sale like that.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by davis20009

I HATE eBay's Authentication service. I have had two cards fail. One was a rare card that I won for around $600 but had gone for a lot more in the past. The second was an Anthony Daniels autograph that closed at about half what it normally goes for. Two different sellers. In both case the card eBay received "failed" to be Authenticated. Instead of protecting buyers from scammers (which wasn't a massive problem in non-sport) it has become a cop out for sellers to get out of sending items where auctions close below what they want. It is ridiculous eBay doesn't tell you why the card failed. Not only should they tell you but send a photo of what they received.

Also there should be something like a three strikes and you are out policy and you are kicked off eBay as a seller as right not it seems like there are zero ramifications for sellers who are scamming the system.

Agreed. For the seller ebay AG is great. But there can be issues like this as the buyer, which could be entirely avoided by just sharing a picture of what they received like you said.

One thing to do is keep up with the sellers future listings- see if they relist that same card (if it's uniquely identifiable), probably for higher price, with nothing changed on the listing. If so, then likely they sent the wrong card to authentication, because why else would they send the card again just to fail. And that would deserve appropriate feedback.

That happened with the harry potter artbox auto that I bought that failed authentication. I was paying close attention to sellers items, and about a month later he relisted the exact same card for sale- at a buy it now price above what I won it at auction. I messaged inquiring why it's listed after 'it' failed ebay AG, and also why he didnt reach out to me, the original winner to buy it at the price I won it...no response, but did immediately take down the listing.

[Cactuspies]

I've purchased a few items from dishpanofowstore and have been questioning a lot of what they sell seeing the same card relisted over and over after a sale. I don't know how they have so many of the same semi-rare cards time and time again.

I almost was thinking they were making reprints, but the signatures are different each time just a hair. I really had to look at what I got to make sure it was live ink and had the manufacture embedded holograms.

their feedback is atrocious if you have a problem.

not sure who is in the wrong in this thread or if it matters in the end.

[Grid]

Some of you people are just silly to me. If I bought a $500 item for $5.00 as a buy it now, and the seller reached out to cancel as it was an obvious mistake. I am totally cool with that. It happens all the time.

If I buy a card for $125, that typically sells for $250. I just assume I got a good deal. I have under sold cards myself to get funds fast. Or, I was too stupid to do the research (As was the case here).

Zero chance I am messaging the seller, demanding to pay retail price, if they list something too cheap. I cant buy and sell it for them. That's not my job.

[Bosoxfan5990]

Originally Posted by Grid

Some of you people are just silly to me. If I bought a $500 item for $5.00 as a buy it now, and the seller reached out to cancel as it was an obvious mistake. I am totally cool with that. It happens all the time.

If I buy a card for $125, that typically sells for $250. I just assume I got a good deal. I have under sold cards myself to get funds fast. Or, I was too stupid to do the research (As was the case here).

Zero chance I am messaging the seller, demanding to pay retail price, if they list something too cheap. I cant buy and sell it for them. That's not my job.

I think the main issue here is that the seller had already shipped the card, prior to reaching out to the buyer. What's the buyer then supposed to do in that situation? Return the card?

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Bosoxfan5990

I think the main issue here is that the seller had already shipped the card, prior to reaching out to the buyer. What's the buyer then supposed to do in that situation? Return the card?

I think there are 2 things being talked about in this thread

1. The OP issue and the seller intercepting the package

2. Buyers who see underpriced items on ebay, pay for the item, and expect the seller to honor the sale (not talking about an obvious price mistake such as $10 instead of $1000, but just underpriced items).

For (1), I think almost everyone is in agreement that seller is in the wrong and deserves appropriate feedback.

For (2), I can see how there is discussion both ways, but personally I also think seller is in the wrong if they cancel the sale- honor the sale and price you chose to sell it for (I would, if I was on the opposite side and the seller). As the buyer you dont know if someone reached out after the sale and convinced the seller to sell it for more. Also take the case where the price jumps $1000 to $1800 overnight, and the seller cancels the sale- this is in the wrong. If it was the other way around, and price dropped $1800 to $1000, because of poor performance of a sports player (or Project 2020 cards crashing or whatever), and buyer returned said card because of that, I think that is also in the wrong and many sellers wouldnt want to deal with them.

It comes down to honoring a sale. If I buy at a gallon of milk for $5 at grocery store X, pay for it, then before I leave the owner accosts me, demanding the milk back because they want to charge $7.50 instead after checking neighboring grocery stores Y and Z comps....no one thinks that's right either. Consumers understand there is something to honoring the price you have advertised and especially honoring a transaction.

Someone selling something for less than the item is worth usually comes down to not researching comps, not knowing what they are selling, etc...there is a value to knowledge. It's the sellers responsibility there.

[kyle1707]

If he needs that small amount of money that bad.

Just let him have it back.

Life must be going very poorly for him