2022 Topps Chrome Update Sapphire--This Could Be the Product of the Year? (2022/2023)

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

And that's not the point. He could get $225 a box if he sold them now. What he paid for them is irrelevant. So the profit he got for the break is whatever the profit he made on top of what the value of the product is had he sold it. So he made $4-5K additional profit by doing it via break, rather than selling the boxes sealed.

This is a stupid argument. The money is made on the buy, not the sale. You’re trying to argue that the only relevant profit is what he made over what he could sell the boxes for? Come on now, no one can be that short-sighted.

[Asian62150]

Charging high prices isn't the same as price gouging.

Price gouging typically involves high prices for goods/services that are needed during a time of emergency/natural disaster.

Of course none of us wants to pay through the nose for baseball cards, but at the same time, they aren't a necessity and if people are too lazy to shop around on collectibles, that's on them.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

I can say with 95% certainty he did not pay $225/box, more likely he got all those 100 boxes at pre-sale pricing.

There is no pre sale pricing on online only releases like sapphire. At least not for factory direct hobby stores.

Unless people like Phil/blowout etc have some wink/handshake deal with topps which wouldn’t surprise me either.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by notfast

There is no pre sale pricing on online only releases like sapphire. At least not for factory direct hobby stores.

Unless people like Phil/blowout etc have some wink/handshake deal with topps which wouldn’t surprise me either.

Ummm…presale pricing was $130/box. But maybe I should have said, “initial pricing direct from Topps”

[notfast]

Originally Posted by BRob1

There is no reason to think he paid secondary market pricing for these.


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My guess is he got some like the rest of us did direct from
Topps for $139/each. Then he probably got a significant amount via secondary market…as I have sold him sapphire boxes before.

Who knows what the split is. Either way, he made a ton.

But I wish everyone had the same energy for every breaker that charged stupid high pricing.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Charging high prices isn't the same as price gouging.

Price gouging typically involves high prices for goods/services that are needed during a time of emergency/natural disaster.

Of course none of us wants to pay through the nose for baseball cards, but at the same time, they aren't a necessity and if people are too lazy to shop around on collectibles, that's on them.

Forgive me, I was using the term in jest, not as the dictionary definition.

[ThoseBackPages]

the simps love phil!

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

This is a stupid argument. The money is made on the buy, not the sale. You’re trying to argue that the only relevant profit is what he made over what he could sell the boxes for? Come on now, no one can be that short-sighted.

Calling my argument stupid, but not understanding the point.

Let me break it down for you real slowly.

He had 100 boxes of sapphire. Let's say he bought them for $100 (just a round number). That's $10K investment. They are worth $200 now (again just a round number). So his profit if he sells them today would be $10K. Had he done that, no one bats an eye. Not a single person in here is complaining about that $10K increase in his investment. What people are complaining about is how much money he is making off the break. So you absolutely have to look at how much he gets from the break versus how much he would get if he just sold the boxes sealed. Otherwise, if you factor in the sealed profit he already made by buying cheap, you are no longer complaining about his break profit.

And quite frankly, that disingenuous argument you are trying to make is intentional. You want to include the profit he would make whether he breaks it or not because it makes your outrage seem more justified. Pathetic really.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by notfast

My guess is he got some like the rest of us did direct from
Topps for $139/each. Then he probably got a significant amount via secondary market…as I have sold him sapphire boxes before.

Who knows what the split is. Either way, he made a ton.

But I wish everyone had the same energy for every breaker that charged stupid high pricing.

No doubt a lot of them do and they sell out breaks so more power to them, there is just a lot of dumb money floating around right now.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

Ummm…presale pricing was $130/box. But maybe I should have said, “initial pricing direct from Topps”

Yeah.

I thought you were implying that there was some way dealers could “pre purchase” these in advance prior to the public release.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by notfast

Yeah.

I thought you were implying that there was some way dealers could “pre purchase” these in advance prior to the public release.

I wouldn’t be shocked honestly. I know Backdoor Breakers typically do Panini but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some high profile breakers out there that got an under the table deal.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

No doubt a lot of them do and they sell out breaks so more power to them, there is just a lot of dumb money floating around right now.

You sure like to throw around the words "dumb" and "stupid" a lot for someone who makes the posts you do.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Calling my argument stupid, but not understanding the point.

Let me break it down for you real slowly.

He had 100 boxes of sapphire. Let's say he bought them for $100 (just a round number). That's $10K investment. They are worth $200 now (again just a round number). So his profit if he sells them today would be $10K. Had he done that, no one bats an eye. Not a single person in here is complaining about that $10K increase in his investment. What people are complaining about is how much money he is making off the break. So you absolutely have to look at how much he gets from the break versus how much he would get if he just sold the boxes sealed. Otherwise, if you factor in the sealed profit he already made by buying cheap, you are no longer complaining about his break profit.

And quite frankly, that disingenuous argument you are trying to make is intentional. You want to include the profit he would make whether he breaks it or not because it makes your outrage seem more justified. Pathetic really.

Thank you for breaking it down, us simpletons who don’t have law degrees to fall back on need help from people like you. What kind of law are you in?

Also, if you go back to my original post on the subject I just simply stated he made $14K on a $13K investment, that’s it. No judgement, no other motif…

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

You sure like to throw around the words "dumb" and "stupid" a lot for someone who makes the posts you do.

Man, you have a hard on for me? Do you think it’s a smart. Investment to drop $1,000 on a random team sapphire break?

[notfast]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the simps love phil!

Let’s not forget how Houdini was chasing that magic “full blowout retail” number on 20 cases of bowman chrome.

The presell retail…which dropped days after release…

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

Thank you for breaking it down, us simpletons who don’t have law degrees to fall back on need help from people like you. What kind of law are you in?

Also, if you go back to my original post on the subject I just simply stated he made $14K on a $13K investment, that’s it. No judgement, no other motif…

First, it's motive, not motif.

Second, it's hard to accept that your position is merely to state numbers when you specifically commented that it was price gouging, which even after you backing down on that when confronted with the definition of the term, is clearly intended to disparage what he charges as somehow bad, or wrong.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by notfast

Let’s not forget how Houdini was chasing that magic “full blowout retail” number on 20 cases of bowman chrome.

The presell retail…which dropped days after release…

good point

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

First, it's motive, not motif.

Second, it's hard to accept that your position is merely to state numbers when you specifically commented that it was price gouging, which even after you backing down on that when confronted with the definition of the term, is clearly intended to disparage what he charges as somehow bad, or wrong.

Alright, you got me, you are clearly of superior intellect. You win, congrats.

[Brazenways]

Originally Posted by notfast

Let’s not forget how Houdini was chasing that magic “full blowout retail” number on 20 cases of bowman chrome.

The presell retail…which dropped days after release…

THAANKS HOUDS

[SupermanBrandon]

2 of Blowout's ultimate arguers going at it. This could go on for days. It will be fun to see which one bows out first and becomes the lesser member.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by notfast

Let’s not forget how Houdini was chasing that magic “full blowout retail” number on 20 cases of bowman chrome.

The presell retail…which dropped days after release…

Seems like Sapphire has been the one product this year that didn’t fall upon release. (Need to make sure I use the proper grammar and spelling here)

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

Man, you have a hard on for me? Do you think it’s a smart. Investment to drop $1,000 on a random team sapphire break?

I'd venture to say it's not an investment at all. Those who dropped $1,000 on that break were doing so to satisfy a gambling itch and for entertainment, not an investment. I just think it's "stupid" to constantly judge how others choose to spend their money. The irony is that you judged them as "dumb money" based on the investment value of their expenditure, when in reality, it was most likely not an investment at all. When asked, many of them would likely say they got $1000 worth of enjoyment out of that break.

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

2 of Blowout's ultimate arguers going at it. This could go on for days. It will be fun to see which one bows out first and becomes the lesser member.

Hey it’s the peanut gallery! Welcome back!

[Badgers0821]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I'd venture to say it's not an investment at all. Those who dropped $1,000 on that break were doing so to satisfy a gambling itch and for entertainment, not an investment. I just think it's "stupid" to constantly judge how others choose to spend their money. The irony is that you judged them as "dumb money" based on the investment value of their expenditure, when in reality, it was most likely not an investment at all. When asked, many of them would likely say they got $1000 worth of enjoyment out of that break.

Oh my, semantics man…change “investment” with “spend”. Either way, would you call it a smart way to spend money? That’s the question.

But at this point who gives a #@#@#@#@. It’s their money, it’s his break. He can price it how he wants to and they can spend their money the way they want to.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

2 of Blowout's ultimate arguers going at it. This could go on for days. It will be fun to see which one bows out first and becomes the lesser member.