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Hey everyone, I've been piecing together an 1888 N29 Allen & Ginter set for a while now and thought I'd share my progress and some information about the people featured on the cards. It's the follow up to the landmark N28 set from the previous year, both are 50 card sets. The N29's weren't as popular due to N28 having some big names like Cap Anson among the other 5 baseball hall of famers in there but they seem a little more scarce in comparison. Anyway, hope these are fun to read about (lifting info from wikipedia or wherever else I can find) and I'll keep posting as I get new ones in or about ones I've already got.
Here's the back of the cards with the set checklist for reference: ![]() Thought I'd start with some lawn tennis players ![]() James Dwight Mr. James Dwight is known as the "Father of American Tennis". His cousin is Richard Sears pictured in the middle. From his ITHOF page: One account says that the thickly mustachioed Dwight introduced tennis to the United States in 1874 when he set up a court on his Uncle William Appleton’s smooth lawn in Nahant, Massachusetts. Dwight was one of the driving forces behind the creation of the U.S. National Lawn Tennis Association, was instrumental in establishing the first U.S. National Championships held at the Newport Casino and the first Davis Cup match at the Longwood Cricket Club in Boston in 1900. - President of the US National Lawn Tennis Association for 21 years and a referee for more than 30 years at the US Nationals. - Harvard medical graduate which is where the "Dr." on his nameplate comes from - International Tennis Hall of Fame inductee in 1955 during it's initial inductions R.D. Sears Mr. Richard Dudley Sears there in the middle won the first 7 singles US National Championships from 1881-1887 and 6 doubles championships from 1882 - 1887. - Undefeated in every match from 1881 through 1887 and retired after that. - Did not lose a single set in his first 3 championships - International Tennis Hall of Fame inductee in 1955 during it's initial inductions - Tied with two others with the most men's singles championship wins of all time at 7. For reference, Jimmy Connors, Pete Sampras, and Roger Federer are next at 5. - Tied with Holcombe Ward for the most men's doubles championship wins of all time at 6. In the final match of the singles championships: - Beat James Dwight in 1883 pictured there on the left - Beat Henry Slocum in 1887 his final year pictured there on the right In the doubles championships: - Partners with James Dwight in all but one year - Beat Henry Slocum and his partner in the finals in 1885 and 1887 Henry Slocum - Went to the singles championships for 4 years straight and won twice in 1888 and 1889. Lost to Richard Sears in his first visit (Sears' final championship before retiring) - Doubles champion in 1889 - International Tennis Hall of Fame inductee in 1955 during it's initial inductions - President of the US National Lawn Tennis Association in 1892 and 1893 - Also a collegiate football star at Yale - Son of Henry Warner Slocum who was a general for the Union in the Civil War. and obviously a pretty interesting fellow himself https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Warner_Slocum |
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Those are really cool. Thanks for sharing with us.
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I have several from this set. Very cool indeed!
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Thanks everyone!
Here's my two "Go-As-You-Please" pedestrians from the set: ![]() I had NO idea what a pedestrian was since it's not really used outside of describing someone walking out in public these days. Turns out it was a pretty big deal back in the late 1800's. It also fizzled out right around that time too after cycling became more prominent. The penny-farthing (those old timey bikes with the massive front wheel and the tiny back wheel) were phased out in favor of the faster "safety bikes" which is what we're used to now when we think of bicycles. ![]() Found this NPR article about it and added a few highlights https://www.npr.org/2014/04/03/29732...s-anything-but "Huge crowds packed indoor arenas to watch the best walkers walk. Think of it as a six-day NASCAR race ... on feet." "They'd have little cots set up inside the track where they would nap a total of maybe three hours a day. But generally, for 21 hours a day, they were in motion walking around the track." "But people didn't go just to watch the people walk. It was a real spectacle. There were brass bands playing songs; there were vendors selling pickled eggs and roasted chestnuts. It was a place to be seen." "Champagne was considered a stimulant. And a lot of trainers — these guys had trainers — advised their pedestrians to drink a lot of champagne during the race. They thought that this would give them some kind of advantage. The problem was a lot of these guys would drink it by the bottle. That definitely was not a stimulant to say the least." The best of the best walked 620 or so miles over the course of six days in competition. That's around 103 miles a day. That's like doing almost 4 marathons (26.22 miles each) EVERY DAY FOR SIX DAYS STRAIGHT! James Albert
Patrick Fitzgerald I always think he's a billiards player when I look at his card since his walking stick looks like a pool cue.
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Going through some old vintage posts and too bad this was very short lived. Interesting info in the two posts. I love this kind of stuff and it's why I've decided to start collecting 1800's vintage.
2soonjr, if you're still collected vintage A&G, I'd encourage you to continue this "series". |
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I came across your posting while researching my great-grandfather, Albert C. Couch, so I thought I could add a bit of flavor to the story. Albert Couch was basically a conman. He ran schemes across many areas including getting people to invest in short line railroads in New York, an endowment fund for women invested in a cattle ranch in New Mexico, gold and silver mines in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Montana, a spring water company, and the 6 day go-as-you-please race at Madison Square Gardens in March 1891. When the race started, the prize money was not there, the money to pay the musicians was not there, multiple vendors were sold the same rights, ten times the number of authorized tickets had been sold, and so on. The race went on anyway and others came up with the money to fulfill the promises, but Albert Couch had to be escorted by police across Central Park to escape the angry crowd of ticket holders who were blocked from entry to the Gardens. Apparently, James Albert had originally committed to participate, but pulled out when things looked shady, resulting in the lawsuit by Couch against Albert. The major pedestrians who did participate were John "the Lepper" Hughes, Peter Hegelman, Gus "The Mexican Stallion" Guerrero,
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Here's the two skaters featured in the set: ![]() Axel Paulsen
Hugh J. McCormack
Also as a side note, if you've ever played R*'s amazing Red Dead Redemption 2 there is a side quest where you can collect tobacco cards from all over the area in the game. The characters in the "World's Champions" set in the game seems to be largely named after the actual N29 Allen & Ginter World's Champions athletes. Here's a card with a club swinger named "Axel McCormick" which seems to take his name from the 2 skaters I wrote about in this post. ![]() Last edited by 2soonjr; 12-14-2022 at 06:54 PM. |
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![]() ![]() Since I mentioned club swinging at the end of that last post, here's the champion club swinger. Gus Hill
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Awesome thread, very cool! TIL what a pedestrian was
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Appreciate it! Yeah looking at old articles and everything, it's interesting to come across a lot of antiquated terms from that period. Something about the day to day activities of people really paint a great picture vs. just reading about major global events.
![]() Today I looked up the weight lifter from this set and wasn't confident that I'd come across much but I went down a rabbit hole! Mr. Queckberner had been mentioned in quite a lot of journals, newspapers, magazines, record books, etc. ![]() I love this photo because there are THREE of the athletes from the N29 set in it! Charles and Ed Lange are in the back row and M.W. Ford in the front row. C. A. J. Queckberner ATHLETICS Queckberner's A&G card itself is kind of strange. He's listed under "weight lifter" but he's more of a weight thrower. His record is in the shot put on the front of the card and seems that the put and hammer throwing were his two main events he competed in. Also of note, even though he's highlighted for a record in the shot put, between 1882 and 1890 he was bested every time by Frank Lambrecht and George Gray in the event in US national championship competitions. I actually wasn't able to find the competition that is stated on the front of the card, but I did find a reference to it in a self-advertisement from a stamp collecting magazine from that period of all places. The best American record for "putting" the twenty-one pound shot is 35 feet 10 inches, and is held by C. A. J. QUECKBERNER of the Staten Island Athletic Club. You can make a record for yourself by "putting" a dollar and a half in an envelope and sending same to the I.S.J. for one share in the company and a receipt for one year's subscription" Spalding Official Athletic Almanac published in 1909 had a host of records of every type. Queckberner was listed under the "Amateur Champions of America - Track and Field". There seemed to be some controversy of what constituted an amateur vs. a professional at the time as some athletes were seen setting amateur records when they were clearly competing in professional levels.
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If the address hasn't changed over time, this is the Brooklyn home mentioned in the court document. His would be to the left of the one with the white trim and awning. ![]() |
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![]() ![]() Tom Ray, champion pole vaulter and also the lone pole vaulter in the set. This seems to be one of the tougher to find cards in the set as I've only seen it pop up a couple times over the past few years. I was unfortunately not able to find a picture of Mr. Ray outside of his A&G image. The following photo is of LeRoy Samse from the 1904 Olympics (look at that crowd size!) and the jump is around 8 inches higher than what Ray attained on the front of his card. I'd imagine Ray would likely have been using a similar set up during his competitions so I thought it would be relevant just give an idea of how pole vaulting looked back then vs. its current form. ![]()
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![]() ![]() ![]() Capt. Matthew Webb "Nothing Great Is Easy"
The Channel Swim
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This is the first person I've read about from the set who wasn't alive at the time the cards were issued. I think it's nice he was honored amongst the other champions. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Last edited by 2soonjr; 02-24-2023 at 10:05 AM. |
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