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Old 02-27-2023, 11:41 PM   #30751
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Red Prizm party!

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Old 02-28-2023, 05:47 AM   #30752
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Damn! All of those Reds are awesome!! I tried last year at the National to get one but was unsuccessful. Hopefully this year will be better to me Congats PCP!
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Old 02-28-2023, 08:21 AM   #30753
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Damn! All of those Reds are awesome!! I tried last year at the National to get one but was unsuccessful. Hopefully this year will be better to me Congats PCP!
Thanks. Good luck on your hunt. Beautiful Reds @deemsterz33 @ Earlsnake07
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Old 03-01-2023, 11:28 AM   #30754
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are all the reds accounted for? (I think the print run was estimated at five)


Makes me feel better about my unopened retail prizm.
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Old 03-01-2023, 11:47 AM   #30755
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I own PCP’s old PSA 10. My favorite card by far.




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Old 03-01-2023, 11:48 AM   #30756
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are all the reds accounted for? (I think the print run was estimated at five)


Makes me feel better about my unopened retail prizm.
That's an unobtainable answer since the reds aren't numbered.
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Old 03-01-2023, 12:03 PM   #30757
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Retail Red Estimated print run is ~20 if I am not wrong. The total graded pop (both PSA and BGS) is 24 and this likely includes a few crossovers and resubmissions. I would say an estimated print run of 20 to 25 is more accurate.
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Old 03-01-2023, 01:03 PM   #30758
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Retail Red Estimated print run is ~20 if I am not wrong. The total graded pop (both PSA and BGS) is 24 and this likely includes a few crossovers and resubmissions. I would say an estimated print run of 20 to 25 is more accurate.


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Old 03-01-2023, 01:05 PM   #30759
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I own PCP’s old PSA 10. My favorite card by far.


Glad you are still holding on to it.

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Old 03-01-2023, 02:10 PM   #30760
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Card are down, period. We're never going to see the prices we saw in 2021 again. At least not for a long long time. A new floor is being established and it will take a while for that reality to set in.

Yeah its scary reality in our hobby right now. I def dont wanna sound like a debbie downer here in our boy mahomes thread! But its scary!

The WORST stuff to buy is the higher end stuff.. Becuse people plan to hold for months at minumum, if not longer. This is where I've seen people lose the most money since 2021/22.

We keep seeing these "iconic" cards of the GOATs, not only declining, but re appearing auction after auction to decline. They slowly just keep getting recycled thru Goldin/PWCC, selling for less and less each time.

As buyers think they are getting deals or good prices, then 2 months seeing same card pop up and fall 10%-20% ....its scaring away more buyers from wanting to take a risk on anything higher end. How long doe this go on for is the ?

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Old 03-01-2023, 02:56 PM   #30761
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Yeah its scary reality in our hobby right now. I def dont wanna sound like a debbie downer here in our boy mahomes thread! But its scary!

The WORST stuff to buy is the higher end stuff.. Becuse people plan to hold for months at minumum, if not longer. This is where I've seen people lose the most money since 2021/22.

We keep seeing these "iconic" cards of the GOATs, not only declining, but re appearing auction after auction to decline. They slowly just keep getting recycled thru Goldin/PWCC, selling for less and less each time.

As buyers think they are getting deals or good prices, then 2 months seeing same card down 10% or more of its value.... now try selling that card thats dropped 10%, paying Goldin 20% to sell, its unsustainable. This hobby can break you if you keep buying right now so be careful guys.
Game is the same as always: Don't spend what you can't afford to lose.

If you've been doing that the entire time then it's hard not to be up.
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Old 03-01-2023, 03:34 PM   #30762
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Game is the same as always: Don't spend what you can't afford to lose.

If you've been doing that the entire time then it's hard not to be up.

Instructions unclear, I am now living in a structure created from 2017 Donruss base. Thankfully I invested in 2020 Prizm Lebron bass which should pay for my children's college tuition.
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Old 03-01-2023, 03:37 PM   #30763
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Game is the same as always: Don't spend what you can't afford to lose.

If you've been doing that the entire time then it's hard not to be up.
We can safely assume no one was dropping 50-500k+ on high end Mahomes cards in '21-'22 who couldn't afford to lose it all, and yet they are down gobs of value right now. Not just Mahomes but Lebron, Jordan, Brady, and countless young stars. Billions of dollars of value has been lost across the board on cards purchased in '21. And there was millions of cards purchased in '21.
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Old 03-01-2023, 05:35 PM   #30764
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I bought a Burrow for 27k that is probably worth 15k and a Herbert for 37k that is down to probably 20k. Big oofs on my part.
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Old 03-01-2023, 05:45 PM   #30765
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Yeah its scary reality in our hobby right now. I def dont wanna sound like a debbie downer here in our boy mahomes thread! But its scary!

The WORST stuff to buy is the higher end stuff.. Becuse people plan to hold for months at minumum, if not longer. This is where I've seen people lose the most money since 2021/22.

We keep seeing these "iconic" cards of the GOATs, not only declining, but re appearing auction after auction to decline. They slowly just keep getting recycled thru Goldin/PWCC, selling for less and less each time.

As buyers think they are getting deals or good prices, then 2 months seeing same card down 10% or more of its value.... now try selling that card thats dropped 10%, paying Goldin 20% to sell, its unsustainable. This hobby can break you if you keep buying right now so be careful guys.
Meanwhile flipping bas Panini 104s and Optic 177s keeps paying consistent returns.

So much wrong with the market at 5 figs and above. Speculation, shill bidding, no true collector base. All people in it for the wrong reasons. Rack up bass hits to score runs, don't be a Joey Gallo
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Old 03-01-2023, 05:48 PM   #30766
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Retail Red Estimated print run is ~20 if I am not wrong. The total graded pop (both PSA and BGS) is 24 and this likely includes a few crossovers and resubmissions. I would say an estimated print run of 20 to 25 is more accurate.
Thank you - appreciate your insight.
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Old 03-01-2023, 05:56 PM   #30767
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The modern ultra high-end pool of buyers proved to be very shallow, and full of people who didn’t care all that much about the cards. Only took a few of them leaving to turn that segment of the market on its head. Going to need reentry of that money to turn things around.
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Old 03-01-2023, 06:02 PM   #30768
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Yeah its scary reality in our hobby right now. I def dont wanna sound like a debbie downer here in our boy mahomes thread! But its scary!

The WORST stuff to buy is the higher end stuff.. Becuse people plan to hold for months at minumum, if not longer. This is where I've seen people lose the most money since 2021/22.

We keep seeing these "iconic" cards of the GOATs, not only declining, but re appearing auction after auction to decline. They slowly just keep getting recycled thru Goldin/PWCC, selling for less and less each time.

As buyers think they are getting deals or good prices, then 2 months seeing same card down 10% or more of its value.... now try selling that card thats dropped 10%, paying Goldin 20% to sell, its unsustainable. This hobby can break you if you keep buying right now so be careful guys.
Paying Goldin 20% to sell?
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Old 03-01-2023, 06:12 PM   #30769
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Instructions unclear, I am now living in a structure created from 2017 Donruss base. Thankfully I invested in 2020 Prizm Lebron bass which should pay for my children's college tuition.
Sounds like you're living in a house of cards
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Old 03-01-2023, 07:01 PM   #30770
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Well this is a new one on me.



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Old 03-01-2023, 07:40 PM   #30771
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Old 03-01-2023, 09:12 PM   #30772
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Sold off my Mahomes RC and made a profit. Sold them due to a crazy wife that can only hurt him and his card values, and she is certified nuts and look at me. End of the day collect things you enjoy and like - if it goes to zero you will still enjoy them.
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Old 03-01-2023, 11:54 PM   #30773
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Doesn't hold a candle to my 6 Trubiskys, but was pretty stoked to add one of these:

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Old 03-02-2023, 12:13 AM   #30774
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Paying Goldin 20% to sell?
Hypothetically, yes they take 20%. Unless you negotiate a better price of course.
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Old 03-02-2023, 01:13 AM   #30775
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Hypothetically, yes they take 20%. Unless you negotiate a better price of course.
I think you're off.

Buyers are the ones that pay the 20% fees

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