First Buzz: 2023 Topps Big League baseball cards - Page 5

base set · 03-25-2023, 07:11 PM

A set with 200 base cards + 110 insert/base doesn’t really have any relation to Topps Total.
Edit to add: even at start, BL was a 400 card checklist; also not close to Topps Total. Update & HHN are more Total-esque.

Looks like they did not put League Leaders in, bummer. Was a nice part of Big League.

There are A LOT of signers in this one.

Frankp2311 · 03-25-2023, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by base set

A set with 200 base cards + 110 insert/base doesn’t really have any relation to Topps Total.

Looks like they did not put League Leaders in, bummer. Was a nice part of Big League.

There are A LOT of signers in this one.

With how scare autos have historically fallen I also noticed they have a ton of dilution and really poor signers on the list.

Technochocolate · 03-25-2023, 08:33 PM

It feels like Fanatics fundamentally misunderstood what this product was designed for.

Low end set and price at $55, but $3 per pack doesn't suggest low-end.

Price and set size suggest a set-builder friendly setup, but the tiers of rarity directly contradicts that.

Hobby influencers have a bigger role in the hobby nowadays, but the type of products they ignore the most are the cheaper, kid-friendly sets....like Big League. So why are they featured in this set?

Autos and hits aren't a big part of this set, we'll see how often they fall. But a retail auto chase for a product designed to be affordable and easy to find in retail?

What is the identity of this product? I have no idea.

oldgoldy97 · 03-25-2023, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Technochocolate

It feels like Fanatics fundamentally misunderstood what this product was designed for.

Low end set and price at $55, but $3 per pack doesn't suggest low-end.

Price and set size suggest a set-builder friendly setup, but the tiers of rarity directly contradicts that.

Hobby influencers have a bigger role in the hobby nowadays, but the type of products they ignore the most are the cheaper, kid-friendly sets....like Big League. So why are they featured in this set?

Autos and hits aren't a big part of this set, we'll see how often they fall. But a retail auto chase for a product designed to be affordable and easy to find in retail?

What is the identity of this product? I have no idea.

It’s for influencers’ kids.

BoofBonser26 · 03-26-2023, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lonewolf

F u fanatics...everything from the logo, to the odds of good rookies, to the price per pack is TRASH. My kids actually enjoyed opening packs of big league with me last year...I guess we'll find something else to rip.

Could not agree more. And to think I was cautiously optimistic when they axed Opening Day for this - you didn't have to squint to see how you could make a great low-end, set-building product combining the best of Big League and Opening Day. This is the worst of both worlds.

rsmath · 03-26-2023, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by base set

A set with 200 base cards + 110 insert/base doesn’t really have any relation to Topps Total.
Edit to add: even at start, BL was a 400 card checklist; also not close to Topps Total. Update & HHN are more Total-esque.

i was not commenting based on checklist sizes. I was thinking the fact Big League "replaces" Opening Day and the box pricing is most like what Topps Total in its good years was like -- lower end or affordable pricing compared to other topps products like flagship.

mfw13 · 03-26-2023, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Technochocolate

It feels like Fanatics fundamentally misunderstood what this product was designed for.

Low end set and price at $55, but $3 per pack doesn't suggest low-end.

Price and set size suggest a set-builder friendly setup, but the tiers of rarity directly contradicts that.

What is the identity of this product? I have no idea.

Neither does Fanatics

mfw13 · 03-26-2023, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rsmath

disappointing that mascots is a 27-card checklist when i think you only get 2 per box. i'm not going to be able to build thru rips or purchase a mascot set affordably.

Impossible to complete inserts sets are the norm these days.....pretty much every insert set in flagship also are 1-2 cards per box for a 20-30 card set.

Same with Heritage.....

ThoseBackPages · 03-26-2023, 10:32 PM

dont worry, Big League might take a case to make one set

ewokpelts · 03-26-2023, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rsmath

i was not commenting based on checklist sizes. I was thinking the fact Big League "replaces" Opening Day and the box pricing is most like what Topps Total in its good years was like -- lower end or affordable pricing compared to other topps products like flagship.

Topps total back in the day was 36 packs.

ThoseBackPages · 03-26-2023, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ewokpelts

Topps total back in the day was 36 packs.

vinnieb · 03-27-2023, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by njsportscardguy

Not to beat a dead horse, but as several others have alluded to; $3.00 is certainly, reasonably priced for,...."kids",....in 2023. 30+ years ago, we, kids, were springin' $1/per.

We were not "springin'" $1.00 per pack for the cheapest card in the hobby in the late 80's/early 90's. As several others have alluded to, that was the high end product of the time, not the entry-level product. As has been said, Opening Day was $1.00 per pack last year, so the entry product in the hobby is now 3 times more expensive.

I know you put kids in quotes to try to make the point that it's not kids buying it, but that's not true, and even if if were, those adults buying it may be the only set they can afford.

A lot of people are being priced out of the hobby, so effectively ridding it of any sort of entry level product is not good for its health.

It's like going to Dick's to get your "kid" a baseball bat for 8 year-old little league and they've gotten rid of all the $50 bat options, and the lowest priced bat is $120. More often than not, your walking out of there without a bat, and that's a bad thing.

base set · 03-27-2023, 01:04 AM

The $1 packs were 7 cards. So comps kinda depend on how many cards in a pack of Big League. I doubt it will be 7.

S1 has 16 card packs this year; $4 at Meijer so probably $3.50 at Target?

Hanger/rack/fat 36 card packs are back this year for S1. Dunno if BL will have those but probable.

I wonder if retail BL appears this week; should be the plan I expect.

Jolten Joe · 03-27-2023, 01:07 AM

Entry Level in 2023 is buying singles and complete sets on ebay. People may not like it and say it's not the same as putting it together yourself and that might be true but it's the way it is for good or bad.

I still don't think in the scheme of things that $50-$60 for a box of cards is that bad. I mean you got 12 yr old kids out here spending hundreds and in some cases thousands for a pair of sneakers for goodness sake so don't tell me $50 is pricing people out of the Hobby.

Frankp2311 · 03-27-2023, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

dont worry, Big League might take a case to make one set

Not even. Based on rare foil odds it will take multiple cases to make the complete base set.

whitmm · 03-27-2023, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankp2311

Not even. Based on rare foil odds it will take multiple cases to make the complete base set.

Minimum 10 cases just to complete the base set

Americards · 03-27-2023, 09:18 AM

This is still a low end product..
But what good is it if you buy 2 boxes and they're done after that?
They need products to keep people buying,

and if they want to build a master set, they keep buying, if not, they stop at card #200

ThoseBackPages · 03-27-2023, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankp2311

Not even. Based on rare foil odds it will take multiple cases to make the complete base set.

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Originally Posted by whitmm

Minimum 10 cases just to complete the base set

for the kids!

LOLOLOLOL

Frankp2311 · 03-27-2023, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by whitmm

Minimum 10 cases just to complete the base set

And at the end of the day what will a complete set sell for? $120? I just don't see the golds that fall 1 per case getting more than $15-20 out of the gate from this product. Big League wont be the RC's to chase even if SP'd.

Could be wrong though...

FatButcher · 03-27-2023, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by base set

The $1 packs were 7 cards. So comps kinda depend on how many cards in a pack of Big League. I doubt it will be 7.

S1 has 16 card packs this year; $4 at Meijer so probably $3.50 at Target?

Hanger/rack/fat 36 card packs are back this year for S1. Dunno if BL will have those but probable.

I wonder if retail BL appears this week; should be the plan I expect.

Looks like it will be 8 cards per pack, not a big bump for the price hike it seems.

notoriousrmb · 03-27-2023, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankp2311

And at the end of the day what will a complete set sell for? $120? I just don't see the golds that fall 1 per case getting more than $15-20 out of the gate from this product. Big League wont be the RC's to chase even if SP'd.

Could be wrong though...

I don't think this is a set where anyone is meant to think resale values and flips...its a low end set for kids, not meant to be a valuable card.

Bunny Hop · 03-27-2023, 10:16 AM

Can't believe these are scheduled for release the day after opening day and not the day before opening day.

oldgoldy97 · 03-27-2023, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bunny Hop

Can't believe these are scheduled for release the day after opening day and not the day before opening day.

Plus the dreaded Friday release.

whitmm · 03-27-2023, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankp2311

And at the end of the day what will a complete set sell for? $120? I just don't see the golds that fall 1 per case getting more than $15-20 out of the gate from this product. Big League wont be the RC's to chase even if SP'd.

Could be wrong though...

There is one ebay listing preselling a "Master Set" for $170. But it's only base cards 1-250 and the 5 main insert sets.

And like notorious said, this isn't a set that is meant to be a flip/resale set. But then again, neither were Flagship and Heritage and look what happened to those.

For a low end "kids" product, I don't think it's unreasonable to be able to make a master set from a case. Personally, I think that is more than generous. I hate that base set has SSP and SSSP in it. I can live with SPs that fall a few per box.

Frankp2311 · 03-27-2023, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by whitmm

There is one ebay listing preselling a "Master Set" for $170. But it's only base cards 1-250 and the 5 main insert sets.

And like notorious said, this isn't a set that is meant to be a flip/resale set. But then again, neither were Flagship and Heritage and look what happened to those.

For a low end "kids" product, I don't think it's unreasonable to be able to make a master set from a case. Personally, I think that is more than generous. I hate that base set has SSP and SSSP in it. I can live with SPs that fall a few per box.

Correct on the bolded, however, I'd bet I get a better ROI with a case of 2023 BL vs. 2023 Bowman.

03-25-2023, 07:11 PM	#101
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,431	A set with 200 base cards + 110 insert/base doesn’t really have any relation to Topps Total. Edit to add: even at start, BL was a 400 card checklist; also not close to Topps Total. Update & HHN are more Total-esque. Looks like they did not put League Leaders in, bummer. Was a nice part of Big League. There are A LOT of signers in this one. Last edited by base set; 03-25-2023 at 07:15 PM.

03-26-2023, 10:32 PM	#109
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,730 ThoseBackPages	dont worry, Big League might take a case to make one set __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

03-25-2023, 08:33 PM	#103
Technochocolate Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: IL Posts: 3,716	It feels like Fanatics fundamentally misunderstood what this product was designed for. Low end set and price at $55, but $3 per pack doesn't suggest low-end. Price and set size suggest a set-builder friendly setup, but the tiers of rarity directly contradicts that. Hobby influencers have a bigger role in the hobby nowadays, but the type of products they ignore the most are the cheaper, kid-friendly sets....like Big League. So why are they featured in this set? Autos and hits aren't a big part of this set, we'll see how often they fall. But a retail auto chase for a product designed to be affordable and easy to find in retail? What is the identity of this product? I have no idea.

03-27-2023, 01:04 AM	#113
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,431	The $1 packs were 7 cards. So comps kinda depend on how many cards in a pack of Big League. I doubt it will be 7. S1 has 16 card packs this year; $4 at Meijer so probably $3.50 at Target? Hanger/rack/fat 36 card packs are back this year for S1. Dunno if BL will have those but probable. I wonder if retail BL appears this week; should be the plan I expect.

03-27-2023, 01:07 AM	#114
Jolten Joe Banned - PBM Join Date: Dec 2022 Posts: 1,666	Entry Level in 2023 is buying singles and complete sets on ebay. People may not like it and say it's not the same as putting it together yourself and that might be true but it's the way it is for good or bad. I still don't think in the scheme of things that $50-$60 for a box of cards is that bad. I mean you got 12 yr old kids out here spending hundreds and in some cases thousands for a pair of sneakers for goodness sake so don't tell me $50 is pricing people out of the Hobby.

03-27-2023, 09:18 AM	#117
Americards Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: USA Posts: 4,725	This is still a low end product.. But what good is it if you buy 2 boxes and they're done after that? They need products to keep people buying, and if they want to build a master set, they keep buying, if not, they stop at card #200

03-27-2023, 10:16 AM	#122
Bunny Hop Member Join Date: Dec 2022 Location: Big City Posts: 1,804	Can't believe these are scheduled for release the day after opening day and not the day before opening day.