Long term potential of 20/21 SP Signature Legends?

rizzeedizzee · 03-30-2023, 06:34 AM

I'm torn on what the future holds for this product. All players are retired, so there can be no "pop" to value, other than someone passing away, unless one of them who isn't already in the HOF gets voted in. That being said, you have a pool of potential collectors that also consists of those who are fans of the teams in general, not just the players, and these are many of the best of the best from over the years, so this fuels the nostalgia fire. And that pool of collectors runs older, meaning they have more income to spend. The FWAs are very limited; however, once those cards are in the hands of collectors will there be more demand since, as noted, these are not active players? Or is the fact they're so limited ensure they'll be always sought after? I wonder if sealed might be the best way to go, because any box - or case - can hold the potential for one of the jackpot cards down the road.

Other thoughts?

kingb22 · 03-30-2023, 06:55 AM

I think it depends also on if remains a one shot deal or if you'll start to see it again. The value of the historic FWAs is they are unique, even for guys who have a lot of other autos from prior years. But if every other year you see the same guys with more autos,.that would be bad

JohnnyAppleseed · 03-30-2023, 07:38 AM

If they repeat the product with a new design, there actually might be some upward movement on the "original set" while the newer cards will not fetch the same premiums you're seeing now. I don't think it's the kind of product you'd want to make annually, but maybe once every 5 years or so.
I am somewhat surprised at how strong the prices are on some of these.

Nutcracker33 · 03-30-2023, 10:27 AM

i am believer on this set long term, yes all of the players have multiple autos from different set from different years, but how many of them are of photos from their early days/ debut year of their careers ? (although some photos were pointed to be incorrect)

For example, i dont think there are much Forsberg/ Sakic autos in their Quebec Nordiques uniforms.

between the set collectors + PC collectors, they are a must have.

guy3050 · 03-30-2023, 11:01 AM

These for the most part are not very expensive cards, whatever happened to collect what you like, this hobby has changed so much in the last 3 to 5 years.... not sure its for the better

mfw13 · 03-30-2023, 11:36 AM

2012-13 Panini Classics has (IMHO) a better design for an all retired-player set....

JanuaryRains · 03-30-2023, 01:07 PM

If it is a one-off, the /49s and some of the /99s will hold strong values I'd imagine- Future Watch branding helps a ton. It's a fairly different vet/legend auto compared to others that don't have that Future Watch branding.

There's just not enough of the /49s and /99s for all of the collectors out there who would want one - that alone would keep values elevated regardless of the investor/flipper types.

kingb22 · 03-30-2023, 02:22 PM

If they ever did another release there are some /49 omissions that would be fun - just don't know if they are omissions because they passed on round 1. Pavel Bure, Paul Kariya, Sergio Federov, Scott Stevens - guys like that. If you waited 5 years you'd also have some recent retirees.but they'd already have true FWAs

NotGoSportsBall · 03-30-2023, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by guy3050

These for the most part are not very expensive cards, whatever happened to collect what you like, this hobby has changed so much in the last 3 to 5 years.... not sure its for the better

Everything is an alt-investment. Everything is commodified.

NotGoSportsBall · 03-30-2023, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kingb22

If they ever did another release there are some /49 omissions that would be fun - just don't know if they are omissions because they passed on round 1. Pavel Bure, Paul Kariya, Sergio Federov, Scott Stevens - guys like that. If you waited 5 years you'd also have some recent retirees.but they'd already have true FWAs

I don’t think Sergei or Kariya are signing anything. Kariya for sure. 99% sure on Fedorov.

cholodolo · 03-30-2023, 02:50 PM

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I don’t think Sergei or Kariya are signing anything. Kariya for sure. 99% sure on Fedorov.

Is there a story behind why Kariya no longer signs? He was one of my favorites growing up.

anusinha · 03-30-2023, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cholodolo

Is there a story behind why Kariya no longer signs? He was one of my favorites growing up.

He's pissed at the NHL. During his playing days it was basically open season on giving him concussions and they never did anything about it. Kariya playing in todays NHL would make McDavid look like a chump.

valleynuckfan · 03-30-2023, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

Kariya playing in todays NHL would make McDavid look like a chump.

Is that a K-13 echo I hear?

NotGoSportsBall · 03-30-2023, 03:51 PM

K13 was more of a Hawerchuk guy

cholodolo · 03-30-2023, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

He's pissed at the NHL. During his playing days it was basically open season on giving him concussions and they never did anything about it. Kariya playing in todays NHL would make McDavid look like a chump.

That's fair -- it's still an outrage cheap-shot artist Scott Stevens received no punishment for the SCF hit.

NotGoSportsBall · 03-30-2023, 04:04 PM

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That's fair -- it's still an outrage cheap-shot artist Scott Stevens received no punishment for the SCF hit.

Gary Suter too.

cholodolo · 03-30-2023, 04:24 PM

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Gary Suter too.

How could I have forgotten that one? Chelios was loving it.

Found this article on the incident quite revealing:

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Asked if he planned to have a videotape of the play sent to the league office, Duck President Tony Tavares said, “You bet your [expletive]. We can’t get it there fast enough. I’m thinking about sending somebody on a plane to New York with it.”

Brian Burke, NHL director of hockey operations, is expected to review the tape early this week. It’s up to Burke to then impose a suspension and/or fine, if warranted.

Kariya had just scored his second goal of the game when Suter leveled him with a cross check at 3:39 of the second period. Kariya, a favorite target of Chelios throughout his career, lay prone on the ice for several seconds before anyone noticed him.

For once, the Ducks at least attempted to respond to the muggings of Kariya and Selanne. They even resorted to the cheap stuff themselves.

Duck defenseman Ruslan Salei head-butted Chicago’s Sergei Krivokrasov during a lopsided fight that highlighted a third-period brawl in front of goalie Guy Hebert. The Blackhawks are expected to send a tape of the head-butt to the league office.

Drury and Chicago’s Keith Carney fought on the undercard during the scrum at 5:11 of the third period and were ejected. Duck defenseman David Karpa, who fought Ethan Moreau only 21 seconds into the game, and Chicago’s Alex Zhamnov were penalized for roughing.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...787-story.html

Brian Burke was on the case! 4 games. Weak.

Players today would be filing assault charges if they dealt with some of the crap Kariya and Selanne took.

NotGoSportsBall · 03-30-2023, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cholodolo

How could I have forgotten that one? Chelios was loving it.

Found this article on the incident quite revealing:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...787-story.html

Brian Burke was on the case! 4 games. Weak.

Players today would be filing assault charges if they dealt with some of the crap Kariya and Selanne took.

Scott Stevens would be in prison. I don’t get how he made the NHL 100. Total slug and hated leaguewide except for The Garbage State.

kingb22 · 03-30-2023, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NotGoSportsBall

Scott Stevens would be in prison. I don’t get how he made the NHL 100. Total slug and hated leaguewide except for The Garbage State.

As a Flyers/Lindros fan couldn't agree more

valleynuckfan · 03-30-2023, 10:24 PM

Regional bias if SS smoked your star player- I get it.
Stevens was definitely a menace but he he stood up and fought all comers. That was the game back then.
But pretty rich for Flyers' fans to cry about any of their top guys getting assaulted.

valleynuckfan · 03-30-2023, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NotGoSportsBall

Scott Stevens would be in prison. I don’t get how he made the NHL 100. Total slug and hated leaguewide except for The Garbage State.

Award Year(s)
NHL All-Rookie Team 1983
NHL All-Star Game 1985, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003
Conn Smythe Trophy 2000
NHL first All-Star team 1988, 1994
NHL Plus-Minus Award 1994
NHL second All-Star team 1992, 1997, 2001
Stanley Cup 1995, 2000, 2003

Hmmm.... Anyone would love this guy if he played on their team.
Can I assume you didn't watch much hockey in the 80s and 90s?
Or was Scottie mean and a bully to your guys?

NotGoSportsBall · 03-30-2023, 10:57 PM

Yup. 88 fan. Freely admit my bias.

odjickfan · 03-31-2023, 12:27 AM

Not a lot of retired sets are made now. I feel that this product can become a classic, with set builders fighting for the SPs.

NotGoSportsBall · 03-31-2023, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by odjickfan

Not a lot of retired sets are made now. I feel that this product can become a classic, with set builders fighting for the SPs.

How is this product different from Chronology though?

Inferno · 03-31-2023, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NotGoSportsBall

How is this product different from Chronology though?

Chronology had past and current players mixed together. SP Legends is entirely alumni.

03-30-2023, 06:34 AM	#1
rizzeedizzee Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 333	Long term potential of 20/21 SP Signature Legends? I'm torn on what the future holds for this product. All players are retired, so there can be no "pop" to value, other than someone passing away, unless one of them who isn't already in the HOF gets voted in. That being said, you have a pool of potential collectors that also consists of those who are fans of the teams in general, not just the players, and these are many of the best of the best from over the years, so this fuels the nostalgia fire. And that pool of collectors runs older, meaning they have more income to spend. The FWAs are very limited; however, once those cards are in the hands of collectors will there be more demand since, as noted, these are not active players? Or is the fact they're so limited ensure they'll be always sought after? I wonder if sealed might be the best way to go, because any box - or case - can hold the potential for one of the jackpot cards down the road. Other thoughts?

03-31-2023, 12:27 AM	#23
odjickfan Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,485 odjickfan	Not a lot of retired sets are made now. I feel that this product can become a classic, with set builders fighting for the SPs. __________________ Tradelist: https://docs.google.com/document/d/11IdFTXBFFoAaX6H2aVivPkQ53Eh4XI5g/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106577311251479576706&rtpof=true&sd=true Wantlist: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p25DD9-ZdSr5PobQTfdArgcqS3Ixon4x/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=106577311251479576706&rtpof=true&sd=true

03-30-2023, 06:55 AM	#2
kingb22 Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 1,034	I think it depends also on if remains a one shot deal or if you'll start to see it again. The value of the historic FWAs is they are unique, even for guys who have a lot of other autos from prior years. But if every other year you see the same guys with more autos,.that would be bad

03-30-2023, 07:38 AM	#3
JohnnyAppleseed Member Join Date: May 2022 Posts: 720 breadposter	If they repeat the product with a new design, there actually might be some upward movement on the "original set" while the newer cards will not fetch the same premiums you're seeing now. I don't think it's the kind of product you'd want to make annually, but maybe once every 5 years or so. I am somewhat surprised at how strong the prices are on some of these.

03-30-2023, 10:27 AM	#4
Nutcracker33 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: HK Posts: 2,192 nutcracker33_cards nutcracker33	i am believer on this set long term, yes all of the players have multiple autos from different set from different years, but how many of them are of photos from their early days/ debut year of their careers ? (although some photos were pointed to be incorrect) For example, i dont think there are much Forsberg/ Sakic autos in their Quebec Nordiques uniforms. between the set collectors + PC collectors, they are a must have.

03-30-2023, 11:01 AM	#5
guy3050 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 43	These for the most part are not very expensive cards, whatever happened to collect what you like, this hobby has changed so much in the last 3 to 5 years.... not sure its for the better

03-30-2023, 11:36 AM	#6
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,304	2012-13 Panini Classics has (IMHO) a better design for an all retired-player set....

03-30-2023, 01:07 PM	#7
JanuaryRains Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Canada Posts: 296	If it is a one-off, the /49s and some of the /99s will hold strong values I'd imagine- Future Watch branding helps a ton. It's a fairly different vet/legend auto compared to others that don't have that Future Watch branding. There's just not enough of the /49s and /99s for all of the collectors out there who would want one - that alone would keep values elevated regardless of the investor/flipper types.

03-30-2023, 02:22 PM	#8
kingb22 Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 1,034	If they ever did another release there are some /49 omissions that would be fun - just don't know if they are omissions because they passed on round 1. Pavel Bure, Paul Kariya, Sergio Federov, Scott Stevens - guys like that. If you waited 5 years you'd also have some recent retirees.but they'd already have true FWAs

03-30-2023, 03:51 PM	#14
NotGoSportsBall Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 1,205	K13 was more of a Hawerchuk guy

03-30-2023, 10:24 PM	#20
valleynuckfan Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: Upper Cascadia Posts: 3,596 bcsean	Regional bias if SS smoked your star player- I get it. Stevens was definitely a menace but he he stood up and fought all comers. That was the game back then. But pretty rich for Flyers' fans to cry about any of their top guys getting assaulted.

03-30-2023, 10:57 PM	#22
NotGoSportsBall Member Join Date: Mar 2022 Posts: 1,205	Yup. 88 fan. Freely admit my bias.