**Official Luka Doncic Thread** - Page 1118

cardozo · 04-09-2023, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

So nothing. Got it.

Isn’t there a Jokic thread you can post this drivel in? Jokic has won as much as Luka. Exactly nothing. People don’t care about MVP awards the way you and Chapman do. It’s an award for spectacular play during a regular season that is more meaningless than ever. Championships are all that matter now.

Winning Most Valuable Player in a league full of unworldly talent means absolutely nothing, got it, thank you for educating us. I’m guessing if Luka managed to win MVP like Jokic did your response would have been slightly different. Fortunately there is a term for your behavior, it’s called delusional.

cardozo · 04-09-2023, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Where will he be?

Lakeshow

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JRX · 04-09-2023, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by daeve

they want to keep their pick

3% chance at the top pick vs make the playoffs.......

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dkcardman · 04-09-2023, 07:29 AM

I saw the Mavs are now being investigated for sitting so many players with a playoff spot on the line. wouldn't it be par for the course with Cuban to have thrown that game so they could get into a top 10 pick so they won't have to give it to the Knicks (still paying for Porzingas!), only to have the NBA force them now to give it to the Knicks as punishment regardless of it being top 10.

JRX · 04-09-2023, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dkcardman

I saw the Mavs are now being investigated for sitting so many players with a playoff spot on the line. wouldn't it be par for the course with Cuban to have thrown that game so they could get into a top 10 pick so they won't have to give it to the Knicks (still paying for Porzingas!), only to have the NBA force them now to give it to the Knicks as punishment regardless of it being top 10.

Has the nba ever taken away draft picks? Doesnt seem like silver ever really does anything.

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oldgoldy97 · 04-09-2023, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Has the nba ever taken away draft picks? Doesnt seem like silver ever really does anything.

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Ummm.....yes, they have.

KhalDrogo · 04-09-2023, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by cardozo

Winning Most Valuable Player in a league full of unworldly talent means absolutely nothing, got it, thank you for educating us. I’m guessing if Luka managed to win MVP like Jokic did your response would have been slightly different. Fortunately there is a term for your behavior, it’s called delusional.

Nope. Still the same. Why would I applaud a season like Jokic had the last two? Win the meaningless MVP only to flame out in the playoffs? No thank you.

Chris P · 04-09-2023, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JRX

3% chance at the top pick vs make the playoffs.......

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It's not about getting #1..its about staying in the top 10 so they don't give it to the knicks.

KhalDrogo · 04-09-2023, 09:28 AM

Penalties are through the CBA. Silver doesn’t have free rein over penalties. My understanding is that all this can be is a fine. Even if a pick could be taken, it wouldn’t happen. Cuban would go scorched earth on the league seeing as there are multiple teams who threw in the towel weeks ago and began sitting players in order to lose games.

Just like load management, this is a problem that the NBA has to live with. They let it get out of hand, and it’s going to be very hard to reset.

Nomad · 04-09-2023, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris P

It's not about getting #1..its about staying in the top 10 so they don't give it to the knicks.

but again fools buy into breaks again and again with a three percent chance of getting their money back (much less drafting Wemb)

cardozo · 04-09-2023, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Nope. Still the same. Why would I applaud a season like Jokic had the last two? Win the meaningless MVP only to flame out in the playoffs? No thank you.

The more you post the sillier you look, just saying.

Chris P · 04-09-2023, 10:27 AM

Also the reason the Mavs punted the season is they didn't control their own destiny. They could've won out the regular season but they needed OKC to lose. When OKC beat Utah, it would've come down to Mavs vs the Spurs and OKC vs Memphis who probably weren't going to play many starters with nothing to play for. The absolute worse possible scenario of them missing the play in and losing the pick was very much in play so they decided not to risk it. It's obviously their fault for being in a such a situation, I just don't think it's as simple as "they thought the were going to lose in the play-in anyways and chose the pick over the playoffs". If Utah would've beaten OKC, the Mavs would've still tried to make the play-in.

KhalDrogo · 04-09-2023, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cardozo

The more you post the sillier you look, just saying.

I look silly because I don’t value anything that has to do with the NBA’s regular season?

cardozo · 04-09-2023, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I look silly because I don’t value anything that has to do with the NBA’s regular season?

Of course championships matter but to dismiss seasonal awards that were the basis of a good season that could potentially lead to a playoff appearance is pretty ignorant.

KhalDrogo · 04-09-2023, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cardozo

Of course championships matter but to dismiss seasonal awards that were the basis of a good season that could potentially lead to a playoff appearance is pretty ignorant.

And what’s that MVP worth when it doesn’t even lead to a Finals appearance?

Without looking, how many MVPs did MJ win? I couldn’t tell you.

How about Kobe? Or Curry? Magic? Kareem? I don’t have a clue.

Like I said, the regular season is more irrelevant than ever. Two-thirds of the league makes the play-in/playoffs. Last year, MVP vote recipients played just 80% of their teams’ games. The lowest number in at least 10 years. The effort is as bad as it’s ever been, and the superstars are playing as little as they ever have. These guys don’t care about these awards. There’s financial incentive for them, sure. But the greater incentive is preserving the body to prolong the career.

cardozo · 04-09-2023, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

And what’s that MVP worth when it doesn’t even lead to a Finals appearance?

Without looking, how many MVPs did MJ win? I couldn’t tell you.

How about Kobe? Or Curry? Magic? Kareem? I don’t have a clue.

Like I said, the regular season is more irrelevant than ever. Two-thirds of the league makes the play-in/playoffs. Last year, MVP vote recipients played just 80% of their teams’ games. The lowest number in at least 10 years. The effort is as bad as it’s ever been, and the superstars are playing as little as they ever have. These guys don’t care about these awards. There’s financial incentive for them, sure. But the greater incentive is preserving the body to prolong the career.

You’re entitled to your opinion.

KhalDrogo · 04-09-2023, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cardozo

Don’t have the facts at hand but I’d assume there wouldn’t be many MVP winners where their team didn’t make the playoffs.

Value that participation trophy that more than half the league receives all you want pal.

If you’re not first, you’re last.

Duvalier · 04-09-2023, 12:06 PM

Calm down Khal. Instead of getting angry in every thread, try to enjoy sports. It's not all that big of a deal.

mc1 · 04-09-2023, 12:57 PM

Khal is right.

Ask Mavs fans which season was better for Dirk and the Mavs.

2006-07 or 2010-11?
1 seed and MVP that resulted in a 1st round loss.
Title win over the Heatles.

tjforce · 04-09-2023, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

And what’s that MVP worth when it doesn’t even lead to a Finals appearance?

Without looking, how many MVPs did MJ win? I couldn’t tell you.

How about Kobe? Or Curry? Magic? Kareem? I don’t have a clue.

Like I said, the regular season is more irrelevant than ever. Two-thirds of the league makes the play-in/playoffs. Last year, MVP vote recipients played just 80% of their teams’ games. The lowest number in at least 10 years. The effort is as bad as it’s ever been, and the superstars are playing as little as they ever have. These guys don’t care about these awards. There’s financial incentive for them, sure. But the greater incentive is preserving the body to prolong the career.

MJ: 5
Kobe: 1
Curry: 2
Magic: 3
Kareem: 6

Those are my off the cuff guesses without even looking.

Anyone want to grade how I did?

Orangejello727 · 04-09-2023, 12:59 PM

The MVP award in the NBA is the easiest award to win. All you need is a great marketing machine behind you to prop your narrative. Its a popularity contest where votes come from people who dont play the game.

The problem is fans have become soft and have no value for competition. Its so soft that you consider 8th place a winning season and debatable as a player worthy of being most valuable to 8th place. I know what you are going to ask for next... If there can be a championship trophy based on voting instead of playing. Why? Because then you can give championship trophies to player like Luka and claim him champion because he cant get it by actually playing and winning. He needs it given to him based on people voting. Thats the NBA of today

drobfan8 · 04-09-2023, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Nope. Still the same. Why would I applaud a season like Jokic had the last two? Win the meaningless MVP only to flame out in the playoffs? No thank you.

Yikes.

They literally have lost to the eventual champions or once was the finalist the past 3 seasons. Not like they're losing to run of the mill squads.

We know you're upset with kard prices and Luka's results.

Take a break and try to rediscover what made you watch basketball in the first place.

It hurts us to see you like this.

Ferg1945 · 04-09-2023, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I look silly because I don’t value anything that has to do with the NBA’s regular season?

If we go look through the Luka thread... we won't find any instances where you praise a regular season accomplishment?

No crazy triple double?

No high scoring game?

No amazing come from behind win that Luka was the sole reason it happened?

drobfan8 · 04-09-2023, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mc1

Khal is right.

Ask Mavs fans which season was better for Dirk and the Mavs.

2006-07 or 2010-11?
1 seed and MVP that resulted in a 1st round loss.
Title win over the Heatles.

All you can do is put yourself in a position to win. The Spurs with Tim Duncan were a contender pretty much every season. But they didn't win 20 titles. That doesn't mean the seasons are worth forgetting about.

Pound the rock.

KhalDrogo · 04-09-2023, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvalier

Calm down Khal. Instead of getting angry in every thread, try to enjoy sports. It's not all that big of a deal.

Telling it how I see it is not anger. You guys are upset that I find the regular season and everything attached to it to be worthless?

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KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,088	Penalties are through the CBA. Silver doesn’t have free rein over penalties. My understanding is that all this can be is a fine. Even if a pick could be taken, it wouldn’t happen. Cuban would go scorched earth on the league seeing as there are multiple teams who threw in the towel weeks ago and began sitting players in order to lose games. Just like load management, this is a problem that the NBA has to live with. They let it get out of hand, and it’s going to be very hard to reset. __________________ I love PSA!

04-09-2023, 12:57 PM	#27944
mc1 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 11,208	Khal is right. Ask Mavs fans which season was better for Dirk and the Mavs. 2006-07 or 2010-11? 1 seed and MVP that resulted in a 1st round loss. Title win over the Heatles. __________________ B.I.D.

04-09-2023, 12:59 PM	#27946
Orangejello727 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 19,085	The MVP award in the NBA is the easiest award to win. All you need is a great marketing machine behind you to prop your narrative. Its a popularity contest where votes come from people who dont play the game. The problem is fans have become soft and have no value for competition. Its so soft that you consider 8th place a winning season and debatable as a player worthy of being most valuable to 8th place. I know what you are going to ask for next... If there can be a championship trophy based on voting instead of playing. Why? Because then you can give championship trophies to player like Luka and claim him champion because he cant get it by actually playing and winning. He needs it given to him based on people voting. Thats the NBA of today Last edited by Orangejello727; 04-09-2023 at 01:01 PM.

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dkcardman Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Buford, Ga Posts: 2,517 dkcardman dkcardman	I saw the Mavs are now being investigated for sitting so many players with a playoff spot on the line. wouldn't it be par for the course with Cuban to have thrown that game so they could get into a top 10 pick so they won't have to give it to the Knicks (still paying for Porzingas!), only to have the NBA force them now to give it to the Knicks as punishment regardless of it being top 10.

04-09-2023, 10:27 AM	#27937
Chris P Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 14,594	Also the reason the Mavs punted the season is they didn't control their own destiny. They could've won out the regular season but they needed OKC to lose. When OKC beat Utah, it would've come down to Mavs vs the Spurs and OKC vs Memphis who probably weren't going to play many starters with nothing to play for. The absolute worse possible scenario of them missing the play in and losing the pick was very much in play so they decided not to risk it. It's obviously their fault for being in a such a situation, I just don't think it's as simple as "they thought the were going to lose in the play-in anyways and chose the pick over the playoffs". If Utah would've beaten OKC, the Mavs would've still tried to make the play-in.

04-09-2023, 12:06 PM	#27943
Duvalier Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 780	Calm down Khal. Instead of getting angry in every thread, try to enjoy sports. It's not all that big of a deal.