Rolling Thread for 90s Fakes and Backdoored Cards

[phdbeckett]

Hand cut base?

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by phdbeckett

Hand cut base?

That's atrocious. Other than spotting amateur hacksaw jobs I did always wonder if there was anything to distinguish these from the base and if people would take advantage of that.

[mindcycle]

I recorded the below video last week in an attempt to help get the word out. I picked one of the more obscure 97 star rubies cards to highlight "Team Skybox", to not divulge too much info (don't want the scammers to get better), but also to give people an idea of what they can look for.

I still think the best bet is coming to this thread to ask questions.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X38xusX4AF8

[LovelyLlamas]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

That's atrocious. Other than spotting amateur hacksaw jobs I did always wonder if there was anything to distinguish these from the base and if people would take advantage of that.

I thought base had gold hologram on the back and die cut had Silver, but I might be mistaken.

[Ericc5Bears]

https://ebay.com/itm/385404571918

The real 1/50 sold at Goldin in 2021:
https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail...entoryid=85437

[DragonWagon]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

https://ebay.com/itm/385404571918

The real 1/50 sold at Goldin in 2021:
https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail...entoryid=85437

Fake 1997 Kobe Bryant #86 Metal Universe - Championship - Precious Metal Gems 001/50

Added to the Altered Card Database of over 6k cards!
https://tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[pokemaniac]

Any thoughts on the above seller's other cards? Has quite a bit of high-end stuff. Lots of 96 Legacy Row 0s.

[jetta20162]

Originally Posted by DragonWagon

Fake 1997 Kobe Bryant #86 Metal Universe - Championship - Precious Metal Gems 001/50

Added to the Altered Card Database of over 6k cards!
https://tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

i reported it to ebay, let's see how long it takes to get removed
EDIT: it's actually out of stock

[duron]

Originally Posted by phdbeckett

Hand cut base?

Now I’ve seen everything. Can def see the scissorhand angles.

Originally Posted by LovelyLlamas

I thought base had gold hologram on the back and die cut had Silver, but I might be mistaken.

Have a diecut copy but never bothered comparing the back holo to the standard. Sounds in line with what UD did though.

[nbatopshot]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/23490984176...MakeTrack=true

I'm not sure if there is a backdoor version of Dunk Masters Refractors but its serial number does look a bit odd to me, especially 1s. What do you guys think?

[rogermaris]

The following cards are counterfeit

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25596282614...Bk9SR4LM3Y7fYQ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38548741879...Bk9SR4LM3Y7fYQ

[auburn35]

Posting for documentation.
rogermaris recently identified yet another counterfeit via his Instagram account, 1998-99 Thunder Rave currently listed through Probstein123 on eBay.
Michael Jordan 148/150
BGS 9.5 8175524

ebay.com/itm/374580648074

[DragonWagon]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

The following cards are counterfeit

https://www.ebay.com/itm/25596282614...Bk9SR4LM3Y7fYQ

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38548741879...Bk9SR4LM3Y7fYQ

Card #1
Fake 1998 Scottie Pippen 120 Skybox Thunder - Rave 056/150 BGS 9 cert# 0012385425
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=550

Card#2
Fake 1998 Kobe Bryant 108 Skybox Thunder 050/150

[DragonWagon]

All added https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[Ericc5Bears]

Hoping for some help here, purchased this recently and am always skeptical of ungraded copies. I have a few other CPMGs but all of them are graded so it's tough to look for similarities/differences in the card/serial number when one card is in a plastic slab and the other isn't. The CPMG refractor pattern on the front of the card looks normal, so it’s either a pretty well done fake or my concern is that it's a backdoored/bankruptcy copy with an after-market serial number. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you.







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[KhalDrogo]

A shame to seek people falling over themselves for this one.

[duron]

At least he has a BMOC counterfeit comparison on his page

[rogermaris]

Fake:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12588032648...JXvYQ&LH_BIN=1

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by rogermaris

Fake:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/12588032648...JXvYQ&LH_BIN=1

Photos for future reference (11/50), also an old ebay listing, prior to the authenticity guarantee program.

The under sticker appears to be from PWCC in 2022 (already kicked off eBay), so in addition to the card, also fake eBay authentication?
https://mavin.io/item/1998-1999-Skyb...daway%20rubies

[cardrcomeback]

Is this a fake/backdoor copy?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37463518064...Bk9SR57F16vzYQ

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by cardrcomeback

Is this a fake/backdoor copy?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37463518064...Bk9SR57F16vzYQ

Yes, serial numbering isn't genuine.

[cardrcomeback]

Is this a real or fake copy?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31455207712...Bk9SR5bApZD3YQ

[mindcycle]

Originally Posted by cardrcomeback

Is this a real or fake copy?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31455207712...Bk9SR5bApZD3YQ

Looks to be a counterfeit copy IMO.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by cardrcomeback

Is this a real or fake copy?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31455207712...Bk9SR5bApZD3YQ

Originally Posted by mindcycle

Looks to be a counterfeit copy IMO.

Agree, card appears to be counterfeit.

[WallyatJCCards]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

That's atrocious. Other than spotting amateur hacksaw jobs I did always wonder if there was anything to distinguish these from the base and if people would take advantage of that.

Really tough for the average collector to tell. Heck, I get fooled half the time and I'm no expert, but I feel like I have a decent working knowledge...