Who’s to blame for the Celtics lack of success?

[ninjacookies]

Kathleen Lynch.


Never trust a big butt and a Mormon smile.

[Supercomputers]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Tatum is the textbook definition of inconsistent. Inconsistency doesn’t win championships.

To bad Celtics don’t even have this opportunity if it was not for Tatum. Guys a top 5 player in the league at 25 years young. A priceless journey that must be learned and taken by any superstar. Painful process but in the end he will become much better because of it. The coach has not done this team many favors as he is learning on the job as well. Tatum and brown
are so far ahead of schedule its laughable. When did any of the current goats start winning championships age wise? We’re so impressed by a 33 year old butler who has never won anything yet either.

[cowboyzqna]

Tatum is good... real good. But he isn't top tier of the league good. No shame in how well they've done.. and I believe this is their peak. Good enough to be competitive in the playoffs but not good enough to win a title.

[PokeyAndG]

Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

Tatum is good... real good. But he isn't top tier of the league good. No shame in how well they've done.. and I believe this is their peak. Good enough to be competitive in the playoffs but not good enough to win a title.

the silver lining is that he's just 25 years old and still has plenty of chances. What we will feel today about him will not necessarily be the same 2-3 years from now, or even next season, as people are often prisoners of the moment.

[seanbros55]

Ime Udoka’s side piece.

[Harper]

Miami is winning the series, rather than Celtics losing it. Miami is just the better team.

[fidrych]

I think they have the best Gm and Coach. I think Butler elevates the level of play of average to above average players.

[TheGZA]

Originally Posted by PokeyAndG

the silver lining is that he's just 25 years old and still has plenty of chances. What we will feel today about him will not necessarily be the same 2-3 years from now, or even next season, as people are often prisoners of the moment.

During the regular season it really started feeling to me like Tatum was making the leap to elite, top guy after being the really good with mega-upside guy previously. Playoffs have diminished that a bit but I agree, this dude in the next few years will have plenty of chances to put it all together and be the elite megastar he is capable of being.

[Nomad]

"What we will feel today about him will not necessarily be the same 2-3 years from now, or even next season, as people are often prisoners of the moment."

This is why Butler and Jokic, and to a certain extent Herro, Bam, and Murray fans can expect to make profits from their investments this year.

That's why Tatum may be humbly right. Just not at the moment.

[hauntedcomputer]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

Ime Udoka’s side piece.

Typical misogyny. Sounded like she just wanted to end it quietly and he had to become stalker-obsessor dude in the workplace.

It's ALL his fault. He knew better, knew the stakes, and was in a position of authority representing the entire organization.

[PokeyAndG]

Originally Posted by TheGZA

During the regular season it really started feeling to me like Tatum was making the leap to elite, top guy after being the really good with mega-upside guy previously. Playoffs have diminished that a bit but I agree, this dude in the next few years will have plenty of chances to put it all together and be the elite megastar he is capable of being.

heck, how are people feeling about him now after these last two games?

[rustywest]

Who's to blame?

One of America's catchcries

Celtics are a failure? 4 teams were left when you went for it

I'd play on the Celtics any day of the week

[boxbuster7]

Anybody else think that the celtics actually have a shot of winning this series? Heat roster is old and banged up (vincent) - boston has been favored by the odds makers for every game so far including tomorrows. At least they're making it interesting.

[Tallguy1991]

Originally Posted by TheGZA

During the regular season it really started feeling to me like Tatum was making the leap to elite, top guy after being the really good with mega-upside guy previously. Playoffs have diminished that a bit but I agree, this dude in the next few years will have plenty of chances to put it all together and be the elite megastar he is capable of being.

He dropped 51 on the 76ers to basically single handedly take that series….I feel like that’s elite, top guy stuff. This will be seen as sacrilege here but give me Tatum over Luka or Embiid 11/10 times


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[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by Tallguy1991

He dropped 51 on the 76ers to basically single handedly take that series….I feel like that’s elite, top guy stuff. This will be seen as sacrilege here but give me Tatum over Luka or Embiid 11/10 times


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I don't think it is that crazy to say at this point. I do think my problem with Tatum is he vanishes in the biggest moments. But he is only 25. The future is obviously super bright. And if the Celtics can pull a rabbit out of their hat, that is 2 finals appearances in a row by age 25.

He also finished 4th in mvp this season. There is a lot to like.

[Tallguy1991]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I don't think it is that crazy to say at this point. I do think my problem with Tatum is he vanishes in the biggest moments. But he is only 25. The future is obviously super bright. And if the Celtics can pull a rabbit out of their hat, that is 2 finals appearances in a row by age 25.

He also finished 4th in mvp this season. There is a lot to like.

Definitely. He’s been around so long it feels like he should be older than 25, but he’s not. And the years he’s been in the league have been an absolute soap opera for the organization, I was worried about the effect the Kyrie saga would have on him. And the last few years have been a circus act with the coaching staff playing musical chairs. Every time I see someone trying to fire off a hot take saying brown or Tatum needs to get traded I instantly mark whoever is saying that as foolish. There are teams who have gone decades without picking and developing a player as good as either of them, and the Celtics shouldn’t take it for granted they’d be able to do it again. The “trade smart” crowd also drives me crazy. The Boston talk radio/globe columnist crowd produces hysterical idiocy that most other markets don’t have.


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[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Tallguy1991

He dropped 51 on the 76ers to basically single handedly take that series…

in reply to that:

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I do think my problem with Tatum is he vanishes in the biggest moments.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

in reply to that:

0 fourth quarter field goals in the first 2 games against the heat. Back to back traveling calls in final possessions in the 1st game. That 51 point game he had was 1 good game. Most of us need to see more consistency from him before we take him seriously as a top 5 player in the league.

[Nomad]

I think Tatum and the Celtics have a really good practice regimen to address mistakes. As I remember they use a practice squad with the attributes of each of the other team's players and do drills centered on specific situations that arose.

[Mattsurewood]

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

0 fourth quarter field goals in the first 2 games against the heat. Back to back traveling calls in final possessions in the 1st game. That 51 point game he had was 1 good game. Most of us need to see more consistency from him before we take him seriously as a top 5 player in the league.

Maybe. There are like a dozen “top 5” guys, though. But to say he vanishes in big moments simply isn’t true. You could argue he’s inconsistent in the playoffs, but he almost single handedly willed the Celtics past the Sixers at the end of game 6 and then for the entirety of game 7. His game 7 performance was ungodly. He wasn’t just scoring, but hitting very difficult shots that were well contested. He’s also played great defense all playoffs.

[fabiani12333]

The Celtics are trying to recreate the magic of the '04 Boston Red Sox.

[TawkCards]

Let's go Celtics!!!!!

[Nomad]

dang Horford played for Bosox back then? or is this AI

[AwesomeBrian]

Originally Posted by Tallguy1991

He dropped 51 on the 76ers to basically single handedly take that series….I feel like that’s elite, top guy stuff. This will be seen as sacrilege here but give me Tatum over Luka or Embiid 11/10 times


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Well neither of the 3 gonna win anything, so you're not wrong comparing them