Who’s to blame for the Celtics lack of success? - Page 3

mc1 · 05-28-2023, 02:09 PM

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dang Horford played for Bosox back then? or is this AI

Nah man. Horford is old but not that old. He entered the league in 2007. Hes also from the Dominican Republic so theres likely a bond through that.

tjforce · 05-28-2023, 03:43 PM

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NBAicons · 05-29-2023, 09:50 PM

That was a spanking. I’m sure we’ll hear injury excuses for Tatum just like we did last year in the Finals. But to be blown out by an eight seed in game seven on your home floor, that is just embarrassing.

mfw13 · 05-29-2023, 10:11 PM

Quite simply, the fact that the two stars who the team is built around, Tatum and Brown, are not good enough.

The Celtics surrounded them with just about as good a supporting cast as a team can have, but their two stars didn't get the job done.

It's that simple.

gomiamigo · 05-29-2023, 10:12 PM

13 points in an elimination game. At home. In game 7.

I'd say Tatum is the problem. He tried to give up G6 vs the 76ers but they couldn't buy a 4th Q shot and then he finally made a couple after starting 1 for 16 or whatever.

You wanna be elite you can't show up 1 of 3 games. That's why Harden isn't elite.

Celtic mgmt gonna have no one to blame but themselves when they give Jaylen $275m for a contract that starts in 2024.

KhalDrogo · 05-29-2023, 10:17 PM

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Tatum is the textbook definition of inconsistent. Inconsistency doesn’t win championships.

Ahem.

ninjacookies · 05-29-2023, 10:21 PM

Celts had a massive size advantage 1-5 over Miami. But yet again, the modern money ball algorithm forced them to live and die by the 3, instead of leveraging their strengths down low.

Fakers befell the same fate.

Both winnable series' where the team was their own worst enemy.

Nomad · 05-29-2023, 10:34 PM

They were getting beat up down low. They couldn't take it.

Arianny_Fan · 05-30-2023, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Celts had a massive size advantage 1-5 over Miami. But yet again, the modern money ball algorithm forced them to live and die by the 3, instead of leveraging their strengths down low.

Fakers befell the same fate.

Both winnable series' where the team was their own worst enemy.

Yep. I guess zero points is better than 2 points on the board. I felt the same way watching the 76ers do the same thing.

and this is coming from a non 76er fan.

brothertona · 05-30-2023, 07:35 AM

This is totally NBA2K but let's say the Blazers trade you #3 + Simons for Jaylen Brown knowing the Pacers want to trade up does that same package get you #7 + #26 + Myles Turner? Celtics draft one of Hendricks/Black/Wallace and in the back half of the draft you get one of Jett Howard/James Nnaji/Jaime Jaquez Jr.? Then finish the off-season by bringing back Gallo and you've got a little more depth, a functioning big, and some room for development as the roster is getting more expensive.

rifleman69 · 05-30-2023, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Celts had a massive size advantage 1-5 over Miami. But yet again, the modern money ball algorithm forced them to live and die by the 3, instead of leveraging their strengths down low.

Fakers befell the same fate.

Both winnable series' where the team was their own worst enemy.

it's no surprise to me

rifleman69 · 05-30-2023, 10:16 AM

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This is totally NBA2K but let's say the Blazers trade you #3 + Simons for Jaylen Brown knowing the Pacers want to trade up does that same package get you #7 + #26 + Myles Turner? Celtics draft one of Hendricks/Black/Wallace and in the back half of the draft you get one of Jett Howard/James Nnaji/Jaime Jaquez Jr.? Then finish the off-season by bringing back Gallo and you've got a little more depth, a functioning big, and some room for development as the roster is getting more expensive.

Keep smoking/injecting that good stuff.

Nomad · 05-30-2023, 10:39 AM

I wouldn't be surprised to see J Brown go to Pacers TBH. Celtics may finally realize they ain't doing nothing without young legs. And Pacers, with cap space to spare, can only use like 2 of their 5 picks. Hield would fit with D White and the like. Turner isn't going anywhere, he wants to be part of this team. And Brown and crash are old sparring partners.

Question is did Brown's market value dip enough to make this possible?

JRX · 05-30-2023, 10:44 AM

Who is the leader on the team?

Asian62150 · 05-30-2023, 11:01 AM

The head coach and stars get the most credit when they win, and they get the most blame when they lose.

And as you advance in the playoffs, the lights are brighter, so the success and failures are amplified. That's why the Celtics losing to the Heat will get more pub than the Heat taking out the Bucks in R1 (which is more embarrassing on paper). The Knicks probably view this as a successful season, especially now that their loss to the Heat looks better than it did 2 weeks ago.

Celtics failed at reaching their ultimate goal, but they still finished as a top 4 team. For a team that made the Finals last year and brought back the main core, it's a disappointment. But I don't think the Celtics need to make wholesale changes to get over the hump.

They do need to stop relying on 3s so much though.

JRX · 05-30-2023, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

The head coach and stars get the most credit when they win, and they get the most blame when they lose.

And as you advance in the playoffs, the lights are brighter, so the success and failures are amplified. That's why the Celtics losing to the Heat will get more pub than the Heat taking out the Bucks in R1 (which is more embarrassing on paper). The Knicks probably view this as a successful season, especially now that their loss to the Heat looks better than it did 2 weeks ago.

Celtics failed at reaching their ultimate goal, but they still finished as a top 4 team. For a team that made the Finals last year and brought back the main core, it's a disappointment. But I don't think the Celtics need to make wholesale changes to get over the hump.

They do need to stop relying on 3s so much though.

Its not just that they lost, its the way they lost. They continually got outplayed at home and threw up maybe the biggest home game 7 stinker of all time. If it was a close game and it came down to someone on the hit hitting a last second shot you could maybe feel better, but they didn't even show up last night.

letsgocapitals · 05-30-2023, 11:08 AM

Tatum and Brown are still both very young. Chill brah.

NBAicons · 05-30-2023, 11:09 AM

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Who is the leader on the team?

It’s Al Horford, although last night it looked like Derrick White. And this is one of the most crucial problems with the team.

HeyRelaxGuy · 05-30-2023, 11:52 AM

Horford didn't do squat. I would still keep Tatum and Brown together though. Maybe add another star?

Spacemanspif · 05-30-2023, 01:51 PM

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Horford didn't do squat. I would still keep Tatum and Brown together though. Maybe add another star?

Those guys are going to be making over $100M combined going forward.

NBAicons · 05-30-2023, 08:25 PM

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Horford didn't do squat.

I agree, which is one of the main reasons why it’s a problem that he is looked to for leadership. The leader should be Tatum, but while a good player he’s just not a leader.

BlueXtreme · 05-30-2023, 08:30 PM

I said it in another thread. I’ll say it here. Idk if it’s true. But I read Tatum had the lowest FG% in the entire nba off the dribble.
Another thing is.. Him and Jaylen while good to great. May not complement each other.

mcgee2134 · 05-30-2023, 08:34 PM

Is making it the conference finals or nba finals over and over again a lack of success? So they've been #2 to #4 in the league out of 30 teams over the last 5 years, I would call that successfual.

How many teams have not made a finals or conference finals in the last decade? I'm sure Minnesota and Sacramento would be stoked to be in their shoes.

pcptrade · 05-30-2023, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HeyRelaxGuy

Horford didn't do squat.

Apparently he was coaching the team and took them to Top Golf.

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/.a...ame-7-vs-miami

05-29-2023, 10:12 PM	#56
gomiamigo Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: in your head Posts: 10,974 esmoney gomiamigo	13 points in an elimination game. At home. In game 7. I'd say Tatum is the problem. He tried to give up G6 vs the 76ers but they couldn't buy a 4th Q shot and then he finally made a couple after starting 1 for 16 or whatever. You wanna be elite you can't show up 1 of 3 games. That's why Harden isn't elite. Celtic mgmt gonna have no one to blame but themselves when they give Jaylen $275m for a contract that starts in 2024. __________________ IG: KevinDurant35Cards

05-29-2023, 10:21 PM	#58
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,212	Celts had a massive size advantage 1-5 over Miami. But yet again, the modern money ball algorithm forced them to live and die by the 3, instead of leveraging their strengths down low. Fakers befell the same fate. Both winnable series' where the team was their own worst enemy. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

05-30-2023, 10:39 AM	#64
Nomad Banned Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,094	I wouldn't be surprised to see J Brown go to Pacers TBH. Celtics may finally realize they ain't doing nothing without young legs. And Pacers, with cap space to spare, can only use like 2 of their 5 picks. Hield would fit with D White and the like. Turner isn't going anywhere, he wants to be part of this team. And Brown and crash are old sparring partners. Question is did Brown's market value dip enough to make this possible? Last edited by Nomad; 05-30-2023 at 10:41 AM.

05-30-2023, 11:01 AM	#66
Asian62150 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6,849 Asian62150	The head coach and stars get the most credit when they win, and they get the most blame when they lose. And as you advance in the playoffs, the lights are brighter, so the success and failures are amplified. That's why the Celtics losing to the Heat will get more pub than the Heat taking out the Bucks in R1 (which is more embarrassing on paper). The Knicks probably view this as a successful season, especially now that their loss to the Heat looks better than it did 2 weeks ago. Celtics failed at reaching their ultimate goal, but they still finished as a top 4 team. For a team that made the Finals last year and brought back the main core, it's a disappointment. But I don't think the Celtics need to make wholesale changes to get over the hump. They do need to stop relying on 3s so much though. __________________ IG: Asian62150

05-30-2023, 11:08 AM	#68
letsgocapitals Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 3,480 letsgocapitals	Tatum and Brown are still both very young. Chill brah. __________________ Blowout's Resident Research Psychologist

05-29-2023, 09:50 PM	#54
NBAicons Member Join Date: Nov 2022 Posts: 255	That was a spanking. I’m sure we’ll hear injury excuses for Tatum just like we did last year in the Finals. But to be blown out by an eight seed in game seven on your home floor, that is just embarrassing.

05-29-2023, 10:11 PM	#55
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,856	Quite simply, the fact that the two stars who the team is built around, Tatum and Brown, are not good enough. The Celtics surrounded them with just about as good a supporting cast as a team can have, but their two stars didn't get the job done. It's that simple.

05-29-2023, 10:34 PM	#59
Nomad Banned Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 8,094	They were getting beat up down low. They couldn't take it.

05-30-2023, 07:35 AM	#61
brothertona Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 6,967 brothertona1	This is totally NBA2K but let's say the Blazers trade you #3 + Simons for Jaylen Brown knowing the Pacers want to trade up does that same package get you #7 + #26 + Myles Turner? Celtics draft one of Hendricks/Black/Wallace and in the back half of the draft you get one of Jett Howard/James Nnaji/Jaime Jaquez Jr.? Then finish the off-season by bringing back Gallo and you've got a little more depth, a functioning big, and some room for development as the roster is getting more expensive.

05-30-2023, 10:44 AM	#65
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 16,069	Who is the leader on the team?

05-30-2023, 11:52 AM	#70
HeyRelaxGuy Member Join Date: Jun 2022 Location: Toronto Posts: 670	Horford didn't do squat. I would still keep Tatum and Brown together though. Maybe add another star?

05-30-2023, 08:30 PM	#73
BlueXtreme Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,987 LostSand	I said it in another thread. I’ll say it here. Idk if it’s true. But I read Tatum had the lowest FG% in the entire nba off the dribble. Another thing is.. Him and Jaylen while good to great. May not complement each other. __________________ IG - bluextreme_lostsand eBay - LostSand

05-30-2023, 08:34 PM	#74
mcgee2134 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 587	Is making it the conference finals or nba finals over and over again a lack of success? So they've been #2 to #4 in the league out of 30 teams over the last 5 years, I would call that successfual. How many teams have not made a finals or conference finals in the last decade? I'm sure Minnesota and Sacramento would be stoked to be in their shoes.