Art of the Deal: Youtube influencers setting unrealistic expectations for the hobby

[kobemagee29]

Originally Posted by brev87

Did you read my post? He does music as a real job. That's the problem, people think it's all about what they like most and what they see in the videos he posts about sports cards. All of that music in his videos is HIS produced music.

Sorry, I have better things to waste my time with

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by brev87

Yall some haters. He makes his money from producing music, the card selling is his second hustle. Stop hating on other people's hustle, it's like yall counting someone else's pockets.

He's doing him, do you and get money if that's your thing.

how am i hating on him? i gave him his plugs for being a smart guy, a hustler, a worker, and making some serious bank with his Discord stuff.

but at the same time, don't trick people and say that the card stuff is "how you make your money" when it's 100% not true. it's not even a hobby, it's a side hustle.

it's the same way people feel when someone actually collects and play Pokemon, and then you've got people coming into their hobby, and buying just to pull expensive cards out, grade, and resell.

shop owners aren't going to complain who buys their stuff, but at the same time, you know it's not with the right intentions, if that makes sense.

kinda like what Vegas Dave did with the Trout and Carr cards. he wasn't a fan of that stuff, he was a straight up flipper. he made his money, good for him. he set the bar even higher on those cards, but was it good for the hobby? was it good for collectors? look at the market now. look at prices. who has been saying for a couple of years that the market is going to crash? the same dude who bragged when he sold his Trout for a $1M bucks.

[Siblix181]

Originally Posted by oplum29

how am i hating on him? i gave him his plugs for being a smart guy, a hustler, a worker, and making some serious bank with his Discord stuff.

but at the same time, don't trick people and say that the card stuff is "how you make your money" when it's 100% not true. it's not even a hobby, it's a side hustle.

it's the same way people feel when someone actually collects and play Pokemon, and then you've got people coming into their hobby, and buying just to pull expensive cards out, grade, and resell.

shop owners aren't going to complain who buys their stuff, but at the same time, you know it's not with the right intentions, if that makes sense.

kinda like what Vegas Dave did with the Trout and Carr cards. he wasn't a fan of that stuff, he was a straight up flipper. he made his money, good for him. he set the bar even higher on those cards, but was it good for the hobby? was it good for collectors? look at the market now. look at prices. who has been saying for a couple of years that the market is going to crash? the same dude who bragged when he sold his Trout for a $1M bucks.

none of this makes sense.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by oplum29

how am i hating on him? i gave him his plugs for being a smart guy, a hustler, a worker, and making some serious bank with his Discord stuff.

but at the same time, don't trick people and say that the card stuff is "how you make your money" when it's 100% not true. it's not even a hobby, it's a side hustle.

it's the same way people feel when someone actually collects and play Pokemon, and then you've got people coming into their hobby, and buying just to pull expensive cards out, grade, and resell.

shop owners aren't going to complain who buys their stuff, but at the same time, you know it's not with the right intentions, if that makes sense.

kinda like what Vegas Dave did with the Trout and Carr cards. he wasn't a fan of that stuff, he was a straight up flipper. he made his money, good for him. he set the bar even higher on those cards, but was it good for the hobby? was it good for collectors? look at the market now. look at prices. who has been saying for a couple of years that the market is going to crash? the same dude who bragged when he sold his Trout for a $1M bucks.

if anything you were complementary of him.

[brev87]

Originally Posted by kobemagee29

Sorry, I have better things to waste my time with

Like, answering my posts. Cool

[brev87]

Originally Posted by oplum29

how am i hating on him? i gave him his plugs for being a smart guy, a hustler, a worker, and making some serious bank with his Discord stuff.

but at the same time, don't trick people and say that the card stuff is "how you make your money" when it's 100% not true. it's not even a hobby, it's a side hustle.

it's the same way people feel when someone actually collects and play Pokemon, and then you've got people coming into their hobby, and buying just to pull expensive cards out, grade, and resell.

shop owners aren't going to complain who buys their stuff, but at the same time, you know it's not with the right intentions, if that makes sense.

kinda like what Vegas Dave did with the Trout and Carr cards. he wasn't a fan of that stuff, he was a straight up flipper. he made his money, good for him. he set the bar even higher on those cards, but was it good for the hobby? was it good for collectors? look at the market now. look at prices. who has been saying for a couple of years that the market is going to crash? the same dude who bragged when he sold his Trout for a $1M bucks.

I never said you specifically was hating on the kid. In my opinion, I don't think he's ever said "this is how I make my money". I could be wrong about that though.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by brev87

I never said you specifically was hating on the kid. In my opinion, I don't think he's ever said "this is how I make my money". I could be wrong about that though.

he has said that in a lot of his vlogs "this is how we make our money", that the card business is what is paying for all their stuff.

and it is absolutely 100% a lie.

there is no way that buying and selling Tua, Tatum, Pickett, Kabooms, or Downtowns are paying for all the stuff he's doing in those videos.

the dude has money...some serious money. but he keeps telling people that his entire business is cards. and to me, that's wrong, because you are creating this false illusion that people can quit their jobs right now, and somehow be able to go fly across the country to card shows, eat sushi and drink up every night, and buy and sell cards only.

like Roth, i like his videos too, but there's no way he's buying $10K-20K worth of cards, with just card money. these dudes have funds. at least Geoff is honest about his job, which gives him the opportunities to go buy a Desmond Ridder for $23K lol

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by dizzy4111

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmBVWpyiJww

Lmao he made a video specifically about the haters in here

Late to the party on this, but just watched this and saw him give a Tyrese Maxey Optic BGS 8.5 to his bartender as a gift. Worth $3 conservatively. So nice of him.

[oplum29]

in today's video, Justin showed that he made a quick deal on his Discord.

a gold Kaboom with recent comps of: $460, 535, and 600. Justin valued the card at $500, offer $400, closed the deal for $415

mind you again, what the recent comps were, and what they average out to $530. that's comps. and Justin got the card for $415

again, i understand, it's your card, do whatever you want. but i seriously doubt, this stuff is happening at card shops or shows around the country (unless the seller is a flipper himself and doesn't care).

if i walked into a shop and said, "i see your card is valued at $535...well i'm gonna value it at $500 myself, so i will offer you $400", i would get laughed out of the shop.

[jmarascojr]

I'm wondering if all that traveling and hotel rooms is good for his service dog....

I legit caught myself watching his last couple of videos, making deals, traveling, partying/drinking and wondering where his dog was the whole time...

[mc1]

Originally Posted by oplum29

in today's video, Justin showed that he made a quick deal on his Discord.

a gold Kaboom with recent comps of: $460, 535, and 600. Justin valued the card at $500, offer $400, closed the deal for $415

mind you again, what the recent comps were, and what they average out to $530. that's comps. and Justin got the card for $415

again, i understand, it's your card, do whatever you want. but i seriously doubt, this stuff is happening at card shops or shows around the country (unless the seller is a flipper himself and doesn't care).

if i walked into a shop and said, "i see your card is valued at $535...well i'm gonna value it at $500 myself, so i will offer you $400", i would get laughed out of the shop.

Cash is king. My LCS would definitely sell a $500 card for $400 without thinking twice.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by oplum29

in today's video, Justin showed that he made a quick deal on his Discord.

a gold Kaboom with recent comps of: $460, 535, and 600. Justin valued the card at $500, offer $400, closed the deal for $415

mind you again, what the recent comps were, and what they average out to $530. that's comps. and Justin got the card for $415

again, i understand, it's your card, do whatever you want. but i seriously doubt, this stuff is happening at card shops or shows around the country (unless the seller is a flipper himself and doesn't care).

if i walked into a shop and said, "i see your card is valued at $535...well i'm gonna value it at $500 myself, so i will offer you $400", i would get laughed out of the shop.

So lets say the card sells on ebay for 530 you pay near $75 in fees on that sale. so you end up with $455 So would you pass up selling it for $415 and give up a extra 40 bucks if you had a buyer with cash in hand? I think most would.

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by oplum29

in today's video, Justin showed that he made a quick deal on his Discord.

a gold Kaboom with recent comps of: $460, 535, and 600. Justin valued the card at $500, offer $400, closed the deal for $415

mind you again, what the recent comps were, and what they average out to $530. that's comps. and Justin got the card for $415

again, i understand, it's your card, do whatever you want. but i seriously doubt, this stuff is happening at card shops or shows around the country (unless the seller is a flipper himself and doesn't care).

if i walked into a shop and said, "i see your card is valued at $535...well i'm gonna value it at $500 myself, so i will offer you $400", i would get laughed out of the shop.

Have you tried? I ask that earnestly. You can walk into a lot of shows and LCS' with 10-20k cash and walk out with more than enough to pay your bills for a month. Never assume that the dealer/shop owner has his money right and can afford to stand pat on a price. I've witnessed plenty of "selling out" at shows. When you see a dealer leaving the show with no inventory at 10am, I guarantee that it was a deal that benefitted the buyer. Maybe these guys have other revenue sources as you've indicated, but the idea of quitting your job to flip cards is very realistic IF you have the seed money to start. It may be a form of bullying to some, but if you are good at profiling at a show, there is always a dealer somewhere in the room ready to walk away from his table for the right price. The amount of cash you have on hand and the time you have to process the inventory will dictate if you can make this a living. Finding the deals are easy. It's the cash and workload that has to be considered.

[gomiamigo]

Dealer doesn't have to be desperate for cash to sell his table full of inventory, either.

Maybe he's just happy to get a no-risk, I'll invent a number, $12k and he can go enjoy the show or watch his kids' games or go play golf.

I've seen guys do it who I personally know weren't desperate to sell. But it was easy cash so they did.

99.9% of 'new' to the hobby guys won't be able to make a living trying this though.

[GaslampSports]

A month later...anyone have any different takes on Mr. Gamble Gamble? I must say - his videos are entertaining (maybe because I'm around the same age as him) although I can see why some wouldn't be interested in his type of content

[discodanman45]

One influencer that I appreciate how he changed his public views in the hobby is Gary Vee. He is doing his weird cartoon stuff, but he is still collecting sports cards. However, he does this without pumping them or showing them off. He mentions still collecting sports cards at around 48 seconds in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-oUkBkacQM

[boxbuster7]

Gary Vee is the biggest pumper in the history of pumping

see: NBA top shot, Candy Digital

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Gary Vee is the biggest pumper in the history of pumping

He is out of pumping sports cards though and is still buying. Just glad we don't see him and his pumper bois with George Gervin rookies.

[boxbuster7]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

He is out of pumping sports cards though and is still buying. Just glad we don't see him and his pumper bois with George Gervin rookies.

He is responsible for the Geoff Wilsons of the world. They probably would not exist if he did not come before them. His step children are youtube influencers

[SupermanBrandon]

He was pumping graded sealed CDs at the National


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[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

He was pumping graded sealed CDs at the National

I appreciate that. Keep all the attention away from cards. Keep the flippers doing their own thing. Hope he is pumping graded Happy Meal Toys next National.

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

Gary Vee is the biggest pumper in the history of pumping

see: NBA top shot, Candy Digital

AFRICA is an untapped, emerging card market...book it!

[Stackfan]

It's all click bait, it's all smoke and mirrors, it's all about growing their brand, and network; and less about helping the hobby & being transparent. (At least those types of youtubers, not all)

I see all these videos; like i paid/sold 20K, 30K, 50K for X...... then you watch the video; it's mostly a trade with a bit of cash. Then 2-4 weeks later, they trade / sell those cards in another video. Rinse and repeat.

Growing a PC collection , i guess isn't great YT content; but a majority of YT'ers have the same type of videos; over and over. To be fair, it's not easy being creative and coming up with interesting content. Would just be nice to see less click bait type videos.

The other sad part of it, is now these YT'ers (some better than others) are the voice of the hobby. They influence. I stress they aren't all bad; but some/most have less than 5 years experience. They were the one's who got crushed when the market sank. Even folks with 20-30 years experience, can be dated; so you kinda gotta find the right mix; and do your own research to start.

[cholodolo]

Bump given the news that he was running his own scam.

Our own Dan the Card Man has been all over it with good coverage.

[jstephens24]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

Bump given the news that he was running his own scam.

Our own Dan the Card Man has been all over it with good coverage.

i thought about bumping this thread about gamble too