Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards)

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by johnlocke36

Ok just for fun make 10 AL players in AL that had better year

Ohtani
Tucker
Robert
Bichette
Seager
Jose Ramirez
Judge
Yordan
Witt
Devers

And that's just hitters

Adding pitchers:

Eovaldi
Cole
Gray

[TheChromeFinish]

Its all over! Get the fire places started!

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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

Some of the wealthiest musicians have neck or face tats. What's the difference? Is it acceptable in music but not in sports?

my rule is I don't back up the truck for any young player that sports face or neck tats. If I wouldn't open the door to my house for them, i sure as heck ain't loading up the truck. Just the way I operate. Of course, those that don't care can do the opposite...

Again, the mount rushmore of GOATs don't have tattoos. They are like the taj mahal, the white house, golden gate bridge. Can you imagine any of these historic and architectural icons having graffiti?

and music is more a vocal endeavor. nobody cares about what the singers look like.

[SupermanBrandon]

Wealth and all-time great can be universes apart. Bieber is uber rich. Is he on Mount Rushmore of musicians? Being rich doesn’t make you great.


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[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by Zauron

Ohtani
Tucker
Robert
Bichette
Seager
Jose Ramirez
Judge
Yordan
Witt
Devers

And that's just hitters

Adding pitchers:

Eovaldi
Cole
Gray

Some of those I obv agree but I think you are under valuing Francos non offensive contributors. take devers I’m sure you could argue the 22 year old that hit 20 points higher, stole 30 extra bases and was +20 DRS higher while playing a more premium position was better

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by TheChromeFinish

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I will never understand it. He's young. has all the money you could want. He could have dated a model closer to his age. 18-20 years old. so stupid to throw it all away. Ja Morant's trying his best to throw it all away.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Wealth and all-time great can be universes apart. Bieber is uber rich. Is he on Mount Rushmore of musicians? Being rich doesn’t make you great.


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you can still make money off guys with tats. luka doncic comes to mind. ron acuna has neck tats and people made money off him. But in general i stick to my rule. If there's a gangster/thug look, then i stay away.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I will never understand it. He's young. has all the money you could want. He could have dated a model closer to his age. 18-20 years old. so stupid to throw it all away. Ja Morant's trying his best to throw it all away.

Marcus Vick was the same way. He was the starting QB at Virginia Tech as a Freshman. He could have had his pick of pretty much any girl on campus but instead chose to party with 13 & 14 year olds. Also, neck tats.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

you can still make money off guys with tats. luka doncic comes to mind. ron acuna has neck tats and people made money off him. But in general i stick to my rule. If there's a gangster/thug look, then i stay away.

Didn’t say you couldn’t


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[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Marcus Vick was the same way. He was the starting QB at Virginia Tech as a Freshman. He could have had his pick of pretty much any girl on campus but instead chose to party with 13 & 14 year olds. Also, neck tats.

bird brains, all of em.

[cardsin47]

“ ‘de-Nile is not just a river in Egypt! “ ~ unknown Wise Man

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

I will never understand it. He's young. has all the money you could want. He could have dated a model closer to his age. 18-20 years old. so stupid to throw it all away. Ja Morant's trying his best to throw it all away.

Morant prob wander #1 fan now. In the hierarchy of mistakes to be made off the field waiving a gun around doesn’t seem so bad anymore

[auctionjmm]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Wealth and all-time great can be universes apart. Bieber is uber rich. Is he on Mount Rushmore of musicians? Being rich doesn’t make you great.


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May be too narrow. Mount Rushmore has 4 faces. There would be bloodshed if people had to universally agree on the 4 best athletes of all time and the 4 best musicians of all time. You can add up the HOF alone and there are 1,000+ names.

I think Bieber is an all time great in pop.

Ariana is an all time great in pop.

Travis Barker is an all time great in rock.

Lil Wayne is an all time great in Hip-hop.

They don't need to be top 4 to be great. Point still being I don't think tattoos have anything to do with it! If "brand" equals money and money has nothing to do with greatness then does brand really matter?

[IronCladLou]

So his wife is 21.

Amazing

[PLB9eight]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

Marcus Vick was the same way. He was the starting QB at Virginia Tech as a Freshman. He could have had his pick of pretty much any girl on campus but instead chose to party with 13 & 14 year olds. Also, neck tats.

Criminoles had Telvin Smith

[IronCladLou]

Originally Posted by IronCladLou

So his wife is 21.

Amazing

I've woken up to no more news.

Gee the wheels of justice turn slowly

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by PLB9eight

Criminoles had Telvin Smith

Yep. I’m pretty sure you could find one from every college.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

If I wouldn't open the door to my house for them, i sure as heck ain't loading up the truck.

I'm sorry you're so terrified of people who are different than you.

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by free2131

I'm sorry you're so terrified of people who are different than you.

It’s just facts really. The majority of people with hand, face, and neck tattoos are criminals and it appears Franco is strengthening these stats. Go take a tour of your closest prison if you don’t believe me. The rapper Short Dawg once summed it up nicely: “I’m tatted up everywhere except my hands, neck, and face. That way if I have to throw on a suit I still look like a businessman.”

[ScooterD]

Originally Posted by Noles939913

It’s just facts really. The majority of people with hand, face, and neck tattoos are criminals and it appears Franco is strengthening these stats. Go take a tour of your closest prison if you don’t believe me. The rapper Short Dawg once summed it up nicely: “I’m tatted up everywhere except my hands, neck, and face. That way if I have to throw on a suit I still look like a businessman.”

A stated belief that no one can prove or disprove is not a fact. If I’m wrong - prove it with statistics from reliable sources.

[PeteD]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Yadi has neck tattoos.

He was the first player i noticed that had one. Wasn't that into it at first but as time went on i was like what ever, it's his body...his choice. More importantly his teammates accepted it.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I’m a little confused by this. Could you clarify?

See post #7063

[Noles939913]

Originally Posted by ScooterD

A stated belief that no one can prove or disprove is not a fact. If I’m wrong - prove it with statistics from reliable sources.

Well maybe I misspoke there as I don’t think they indicate whether an individual has tattoos or not in regards to crime statistics. But it’s right there in front of your face if you’d open your eyes. Have you ever been to a prison? The vast majority of prisoners have hand, neck, and face tattoos. The majority of musicians with the aforementioned tattoos are criminals as well. If you didn’t know who either one of these gentleman were who would you think would be more likely to rob or murder you? One also had a criminal rap sheet a mile long and one doesn’t.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

in general, players who don't have tattoos that are great players look at themselves as a brand. brand is a very powerful thing. now there are exceptions like lebron but i'm specifically talking about neck tats. even face tats. both go beyond the pale in regards to brand stewardship. even lebron doesn't have a neck tat.

I mean plenty of athletes have tattoos and are successful off and on the court..also tattoos have zero to do on how much you love the game itself or how serious an athlete takes if like another poster implied

[FT35]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

This a good point -I don’t think someone ‘deserves’ to be financially wiped out because they hope a person is isn’t a sexual predator.

My comment was based on being a collector, burying their head in the sand, and hoping it’s not true ( so it doesn’t effect their card values ), in the face of what is already overwhelming evidence, including pics!, that it is EXTREMELY likely to be true

“ ‘de-Nile is not just a river in Egypt! “ ~ unknown Wise Man

I have no clue what the truth is here but I do know that digital pics + editing software + AI + the internet don’t always produce truth.