Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards)

[free2131]

Originally Posted by auctionjmm

In a civilized society the majority of people would be saying we hope the allegations are not true, we hope Wander comes back, and we hope Wander has a great career. That would all be good for society, good for sports, and good for the hobby.

I think the issue many have is that what's good for Franco, MLB, and the "hobby" really doesn't (shouldn't) matter. I absolutely hope the allegations aren't true FOR THE VICTIM(S). I couldn't care less if everyone loses every cent they "invested" in Franco. All I care about are the victims. If the byproduct of there not being victims is that all those ancillary things happen, then great, but that shouldn't be THE REASON why people want these allegations to be false.

I also think that some people might not want these allegations to be false is because the more false allegations that are presented, the harder it is for real victims to be taken seriously. Hell, look at some of the replies in the thread saying these people are just after money. That's the first reaction of some of these people when any allegations are presented.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by BambinoShuffle

There was a hobby before the speculators. It was fun. It was about trading and completing sets. It was about going to a game with (traditionally) your dad, your friends from school, your family.
The “industry” imploding is just a matter of scaling to mainstays like Topps. Fanatics may sell their stake, but as long as there’s a game, there will be trading cards to sustain those who truly collect.
Hype, breakers, influencers… they promote that which has been a loved past time for more than 4 generations.
Enjoy the hobby. If it’s easy money you crave, try another outlet.

Yes, there was a hobby before speculators, and there will be a hobby if they all leave for some reason.

But, how many ppl today still collect to complete sets? 90% of adults who open packs these days can't give their base cards away fast enough.

Topps/Fanatics/Panini have geared most of their products towards "hits" and outside of flagship lines, don't really care about completing sets. How many ppl try to complete NT/Flawless/Immaculate and whatever high-end product Topps puts out? It would be interesting to see how much Fanatics makes from flagship compared to other lines. Same with Panini and Hoops vs. their other lines.

I love completing certain sets (Topps 3D!), but I also understand most ppl are way more interested (and invested) in high end and pulling the "monsters."

Growing up, I remember when I was searching for that Kent Hrbek to complete my '89 Donruss set and was ecstatic when I finally found it! I doubt there are many ppl like that anymore.

It's fine. The hobby has changed. Ppl still collect, they just collect differently. More money involved, more speculation, more hype. More giant hits but more swings and misses, too. There are pros and cons. Overall I think it's good because we have more innovation and options. I'd rather have what we have now instead of what we had in the late 80s.

[timber63401]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Don’t or doesn’t?

Both.

[BambinoShuffle]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Yes, there was a hobby before speculators, and there will be a hobby if they all leave for some reason.

But, how many ppl today still collect to complete sets? 90% of adults who open packs these days can't give their base cards away fast enough.

Topps/Fanatics/Panini have geared most of their products towards "hits" and outside of flagship lines, don't really care about completing sets. How many ppl try to complete NT/Flawless/Immaculate and whatever high-end product Topps puts out? It would be interesting to see how much Fanatics makes from flagship compared to other lines. Same with Panini and Hoops vs. their other lines.

I love completing certain sets (Topps 3D!), but I also understand most ppl are way more interested (and invested) in high end and pulling the "monsters."

Growing up, I remember when I was searching for that Kent Hrbek to complete my '89 Donruss set and was ecstatic when I finally found it! I doubt there are many ppl like that anymore.

It's fine. The hobby has changed. Ppl still collect, they just collect differently. More money involved, more speculation, more hype. More giant hits but more swings and misses, too. There are pros and cons. Overall I think it's good because we have more innovation and options. I'd rather have what we have now instead of what we had in the late 80s.

I agree to an extent. In any case, I don’t worry about the non hobbyists. They will always find something to gamble on. I don’t even worry for my fellow collectors who find something to collect from what’s offered. How any of us collect is truly up to each individual.

It’s the sentiment that the hobby is dead without speculators and influencers that I’m skeptical about. In many ways, they’ve turned the hobby into fomo induced schemes of hot potato.

[base set]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

mid 1950s

I think the first “singles” weren’t sold till the early 60s, when typed For Sale lists started to circulate. * - Rookie

However no way to know when the first small grocer first stashed an unopened box.


So with Wander, he will stay on the Restricted List until … when?

Any word from Johnny?

[Chicosbailbonds]

Originally Posted by BambinoShuffle

I agree to an extent. In any case, I don’t worry about the non hobbyists. They will always find something to gamble on. I don’t even worry for my fellow collectors who find something to collect from what’s offered. How any of us collect is truly up to each individual.

It’s the sentiment that the hobby is dead without speculators and influencers that I’m skeptical about. In many ways, they’ve turned the hobby into fomo induced schemes of hot potato.

That is all Bowman is, hot potato.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by base set

So with Wander, he will stay on the Restricted List until … when?

Until he’s either cleared of wrong doing and is free to return, or until he’s found guilty and will then receive some type of suspension/ban.

There’s also a scenario where he could be cleared in court, but still face a suspension/ban from MLB. (Look to the 1919 Black Sox scandal for precedent.)

[Jman330]

Originally Posted by timber63401

My boy would unload his modest Wander collection right now but dont want it to get returned in 3 days.

Unfortunately too many people will play that game on eBay for sure. Buy, hold for 3 weeks for everything comes out, they make out if he’s cleared if he’s done In goes the return request. Sad but I’m sure it will be a issue

[daveyc1]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

When did speculators and investors first show up in the hobby?

I know that Charles Bray started running card auctions in Burdicks card collectors bulletin in the 1940's.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Jman330

Unfortunately too many people will play that game on eBay for sure. Buy, hold for 3 weeks for everything comes out, they make out if he’s cleared if he’s done In goes the return request. Sad but I’m sure it will be a issue

I have a hard time thinking that this will be cleared up within three weeks. If I was selling any Wander cards, I’d list them with a buy it now above the authenticity guarantee level and then change it to an auction. I think once the authenticity guarantee has been triggered, that listing will go through it regardless of whether the listing is changed to an auction or the BIN is lower than the threshold.


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[baseballguy350]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I have a hard time thinking that this will be cleared up within three weeks. If I was selling any Wander cards, I’d list them with a buy it now above the authenticity guarantee level and then change it to an auction. I think once the authenticity guarantee has been triggered, that listing will go through it regardless of whether the listing is changed to an auction or the BIN is lower than the threshold.


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I had 10 auctions end last night.

$0.01 starting bid on each with a $299.99 BIN. Authenticity Guarantee was active on all of them, but after checking out, 2 of them did NOT carry the guarantee - no idea why. I'm expecting those to get returned.

In addition, the authenticity guarantee WAS on both of these items, but now it is not there:
REMOVED LINKS - Khal cleared it up.

[KhalDrogo]

It was never on either item. They both have “collection” in the title.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by baseballguy350

I had 10 auctions end last night.

$0.01 starting bid on each with a $299.99 BIN. Authenticity Guarantee was active on all of them, but after checking out, 2 of them did NOT carry the guarantee - no idea why. I'm expecting those to get returned.

In addition, the authenticity guarantee WAS on both of these items, but now it is not there:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225726038598
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225726015547

I’m sure it’s buggy but all I know is for a few cards I listed with high BIN, when I switched them to auctions, they all went through the guarantee process. Heck one sold for $0.01 and it still went through the process.


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[baseballguy350]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

It was never on either item. They both have “collection” in the title.

Transcendent Collection. Got it. Thanks!

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by baseballguy350

Transcendent Collection. Got it. Thanks!

And in any event with 30 day returns allowed, going through AG wouldn't really protect you much.

[IronCladLou]

So did he get arrested today?

Guessing no update

[KhalDrogo]

A whole bunch of BCAs got flashed into next week’s PWCC weekly for those of you still buying.

[SupermanBrandon]

Watching IG'ers justify why people should be buying or holding right now, is hilarious.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Watching IG'ers justify why people should be buying or holding right now, is hilarious.

LOL..are they really?! Sad thing is some sheep will take their word as gospel and listen to them

[christhecpa]

2022 Wander RC's are the way to go.
Bowman's Best has always been a niche knockoff of Bowman collected by few.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by christhecpa

2022 Wander RC's are the way to go.
Bowman's Best has always been a niche knockoff of Bowman collected by few.

I get the feeling that you may have missed some big news that came out recently.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by christhecpa

2022 Wander RC's are the way to go.
Bowman's Best has always been a niche knockoff of Bowman collected by few.

Not always. 1995.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by Jman330

Unfortunately too many people will play that game on eBay for sure. Buy, hold for 3 weeks for everything comes out, they make out if he’s cleared if he’s done In goes the return request. Sad but I’m sure it will be a issue

Anyone selling Wander right now should be doing so with "no returns". Buyer has 3 days after delivery to claim it wasn't as described, but that is all they have.

Anyone who is selling Wander, and allowing returns, is asking for them to be returned.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Just looked up sold prices on Wander in the past few days. Holly Tank Job, Batman. It's worse than I even thought.

So you expected prices to be stronger than where they are? Lol.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

So you expected prices to be stronger than where they are? Lol.

I knew & said it would be a disaster quickly, but I didn't know they would decrease this fast. The train is off of the tracks completely. Imagine if some proof is shown. You can truly start using Gold /50 RCs as coffee coasters.