Ohtani re-tears UCL, will not pitch again this year - Page 4

Mandy1320 · 08-24-2023, 07:17 AM

Such a bummer. Baseball is better with Ohtani.

hermanotarjeta · 08-24-2023, 07:19 AM

Ohtani winning the mvp was already priced in to his cards.

I will be curious to see how the sports cards market prices ohtani going forward. People say Wall Street prices companies for five years into the future.

What time period does the baseball card hobby price cards at? Five months? Five days?

mwash1983 · 08-24-2023, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Not happening. He needed to be lost for the season a month ago. The race is completely over. It will be “tighter” but it’s over.

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Maybe Kyle Tucker if he hits .310 with 35 homers 125 RBI’s 35 Steals.

Scottish Punk · 08-24-2023, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cardsin47

1. Is TJ the only surgery that corrects this type of tear?

2. Is surgery always required, or can this injury possibly heal on it’s own?

I am not certain, but would guess that TJ is required. Obviously that puts him on the shelf at least for pitching for a year. That is why I mentioned that whatever team is going to resign him, must feel good about how that surgery went and expectation of a full recovery. Somebody like the Dodgers won't let a year off pitching keep them from signing if they think he will be back full in 2025.

cardsin47 · 08-24-2023, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

What time period does the baseball card hobby price cards at? Five months? Five days?

With how fast info. is disseminated these ( internet ) days - more like 5 hours

BoSoxFan1999 · 08-24-2023, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mwash1983

Maybe Kyle Tucker if he hits .310 with 35 homers 125 RBI’s 35 Steals.

The question really isn't "Who can possibly catch Ohtani for MVP?" but rather "Who will finish 2nd and maybe prevent Ohtani from winning MVP unanimously?".

MyckKabongo · 08-24-2023, 07:26 AM

"He'll never pitch again"

"Sell now, his cards are toast forevermore"

"His FA value just tanked"

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All VAST exaggerations.

JRX · 08-24-2023, 07:29 AM

The only way forward is for mlb to rig it so we get cin vs not hou in the ws.

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NCWolf · 08-24-2023, 07:41 AM

How often do pitchers come back from two Tommy Johns?

BoSoxFan1999 · 08-24-2023, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NCWolf

How often do pitchers come back from two Tommy Johns?

Not sure how often, but Eovaldi is 1 guy who had 2 TJS.

Noles939913 · 08-24-2023, 07:45 AM

Matt Olson will now win 2/3 of MLB’s Triple Crown.

ironfireman · 08-24-2023, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

"He'll never pitch again"

"Sell now, his cards are toast forevermore"

"His FA value just tanked"

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All VAST exaggerations.

True, but his ceiling has taken a big hit. He's still going to be a 2x MVP ROY - and he'll obviously be a great hitter... I just wonder if the team that signs him would rather have him be a full time batter and perhps +RF than try to squeeze out 400 IP and permanantly wrecking his elbow - Feels like this could be the end of his pitching or maybe he just pitches sparringly - maybe just in the post season or something - all kinds of great storyines could still happen and he could win another 2-3 MVPs with just his bat...
It sucks and I hope he comes back and pitches but wow he didn;t get much milage out of the last TJS.

MoreToppsPlease · 08-24-2023, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SoccerRCs

All Ohtani cards value should be cut in half on this news.

I Wander if this will be true.

JRX · 08-24-2023, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ironfireman

True, but his ceiling has taken a big hit. He's still going to be a 2x MVP ROY - and he'll obviously be a great hitter... I just wonder if the team that signs him would rather have him be a full time batter and perhps +RF than try to squeeze out 400 IP and permanantly wrecking his elbow - Feels like this could be the end of his pitching or maybe he just pitches sparringly - maybe just in the post season or something - all kinds of great storyines could still happen and he could win another 2-3 MVPs with just his bat...

It sucks and I hope he comes back and pitches but wow he didn;t get much milage out of the last TJS.

I could see him going back to being a once a week starter or as others have suggested, he could be like a part time closer.

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blackbears86 · 08-24-2023, 07:55 AM

He needs to get away from the Angels.

Not saying they "did this" to him, but it's time to move on.

BonVoyage · 08-24-2023, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NCWolf

How often do pitchers come back from two Tommy Johns?

Not very often. I've seen mid-40s being thrown about as the number who have had it twice.
And if half a season of Nathan Eovaldi is the shining example of coming back from two TJs... yikes.

Serious questions of whether he should be a SP ever again, which absolutely hurts his hobby and baseball value. Could he be a lights out closer instead? Quite possibly, but that doesn't carry the same value as a starter.

jlzinck · 08-24-2023, 07:56 AM

Nor possible for me to care any less for the Ohtani "investors" and pump and dumpers and the meme makers who compare him to Ruth when Ruth was out homering 90% of the teams himself.

I feel for Angel fans and baseball fans who enjoyed watching him play both ways, Who enjoyed watching him K 9 batters and go 3 for 4.

Yes his contract wont be as high as people thought it would be but he will still sign for F you money.

corndog · 08-24-2023, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mandy1320

Such a bummer. Baseball is better with Ohtani.

Completely agree.

cspaced25 · 08-24-2023, 08:00 AM

Terrible news for the mlb and fans. Still don’t understand why the Angels didn’t trade him at the deadline.

blackbears86 · 08-24-2023, 08:00 AM

Lots of naysayers in here.

Yes, it's sucks his pitching career is likely over or at least vastly limited in the future, but he's still one of the games elite hitters and teams will still be clamoring for him come free agency.

If anything, with him concentrating on hitting, his offensive numbers might look even better when he come back.

mwash1983 · 08-24-2023, 08:06 AM

The only way Ohtani gets into the baseball hall of fame is buying a ticket if he doesn’t pitch again, he’s 29 with 171 career homers. If Ohtani doesn’t pitch again he won’t win another major award in his career.

Boo · 08-24-2023, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mwash1983

The only way Ohtani gets into the baseball hall of fame is buying a ticket if he doesn’t pitch again, he’s 29 with 171 career homers. If Ohtani doesn’t pitch again he won’t win another major award in his career.

I just want to quote this

mwash1983 · 08-24-2023, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

Lots of naysayers in here.

Yes, it's sucks his pitching career is likely over or at least vastly limited in the future, but he's still one of the games elite hitters and teams will still be clamoring for him come free agency.

If anything, with him concentrating on hitting, his offensive numbers might look even better when he come back.

Turns 30 next year, we have seen how fast Trout has declined. Also look at Trea Turner who turned 30.

Chris P · 08-24-2023, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MyckKabongo

"He'll never pitch again"

"Sell now, his cards are toast forevermore"

"His FA value just tanked"

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All VAST exaggerations.

Are you even remotely surprised? Some guys on this forum live for moments like this. Makes them feel good for whatever reason

cardsin47 · 08-24-2023, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mwash1983

The only way Ohtani gets into the baseball hall of fame is buying a ticket if he doesn’t pitch again, he’s 29 with 171 career homers. If Ohtani doesn’t pitch again he won’t win another major award in his career.

This would be great on a Greeting Card at Hallmark

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jlzinck Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 35,940 jlzinck jl_zinck	Nor possible for me to care any less for the Ohtani "investors" and pump and dumpers and the meme makers who compare him to Ruth when Ruth was out homering 90% of the teams himself. I feel for Angel fans and baseball fans who enjoyed watching him play both ways, Who enjoyed watching him K 9 batters and go 3 for 4. Yes his contract wont be as high as people thought it would be but he will still sign for F you money. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/jonzinck

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Mandy1320 Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 2,752 marande-5259	Such a bummer. Baseball is better with Ohtani.

08-24-2023, 07:19 AM	#77
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 21,443	Ohtani winning the mvp was already priced in to his cards. I will be curious to see how the sports cards market prices ohtani going forward. People say Wall Street prices companies for five years into the future. What time period does the baseball card hobby price cards at? Five months? Five days?

08-24-2023, 07:26 AM	#82
MyckKabongo Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,776 MyckKabongo	"He'll never pitch again" "Sell now, his cards are toast forevermore" "His FA value just tanked" ------ All VAST exaggerations.

08-24-2023, 07:29 AM	#83
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,745	The only way forward is for mlb to rig it so we get cin vs not hou in the ws. Sent from my SM-A546U1 using Tapatalk

08-24-2023, 07:41 AM	#84
NCWolf Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 3,449	How often do pitchers come back from two Tommy Johns?

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blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,133 blackbears86	He needs to get away from the Angels. Not saying they "did this" to him, but it's time to move on.

08-24-2023, 08:00 AM	#94
cspaced25 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 1,307	Terrible news for the mlb and fans. Still don’t understand why the Angels didn’t trade him at the deadline.

08-24-2023, 08:06 AM	#96
mwash1983 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 6,141	The only way Ohtani gets into the baseball hall of fame is buying a ticket if he doesn’t pitch again, he’s 29 with 171 career homers. If Ohtani doesn’t pitch again he won’t win another major award in his career.