Joe Montana’s best QB of all time

Boo · 08-31-2023, 07:39 PM

Dan Marino, who played 17 seasons with the Miami Dolphins, never won a championship, but Montana gives him the nod for "best" quarterback of all time.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nfl-l...rback-all-time

jplarson · 08-31-2023, 07:43 PM

Wow! Not only is he the GOAT QB (20th century division) but he's also the most modest and humble QB of all time. Montana just keeps racking up accolades!

Stifle · 08-31-2023, 07:52 PM

Jennifer Montana I believe stated that Joe Montana was the greatest quarterback of all time. The accolades are pouring in. Didn’t the Priest at the campus of Notre Dame call Joe, Saint Montana, the Best in the Bay ?

asujbl · 08-31-2023, 08:16 PM

Best passer of all time does not equal the best quarterback of all time

Mutually exclusive

tjforce · 08-31-2023, 08:21 PM

If you read the article, Montana delineates between "Best" and "Greatest".

"Greatest" refers to career achievements.

"Best" refers to physical talent.

I can absolutely listen to an argument that Dan Marino is one of the all time great physical talents to play QB. And I'd agree that he was a better physical talent than Montana.

Now, Greatest? By this definition, nobody that I know of is saying Marino was the greatest.

corndog · 08-31-2023, 08:23 PM

Warren Moon is right up there with Marino.

kluke84 · 08-31-2023, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tjforce

If you read the article, Montana delineates between "Best" and "Greatest".

"Greatest" refers to career achievements.

"Best" refers to physical talent.

I can absolutely listen to an argument that Dan Marino is one of the all time great physical talents to play QB. And I'd agree that he was a better physical talent than Montana.

Now, Greatest? By this definition, nobody that I know of is saying Marino was the greatest.

Just like Rodgers (-1 ring)

Forty F'in Niners.

JWBlue · 08-31-2023, 08:42 PM

No.....

Just someone saying nice things about another person. No mean.

Montana isn't going to say. "I was better than him."

Siberian13 · 08-31-2023, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Dan Marino, who played 17 seasons with the Miami Dolphins, never won a championship, but Montana gives him the nod for "best" quarterback of all time.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nfl-l...rback-all-time

Poor Dolphins/Marino fans

BostonNut · 09-01-2023, 05:41 AM

Mahomies are super angry right now.

jplarson · 09-01-2023, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

Mahomies are super angry right now.

Wake me up when Mahomes passes Aikman first. Right now he's Eli Manning but loses to Brady in Super Bowls.

SipSipSIP

JeremyNick · 09-01-2023, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

Wake me up when Mahomes passes Aikman first. Right now he's Eli Manning but loses to Brady in Super Bowls.

SipSipSIP

Terry Bradshaw is the OG.

4 SBs and country music swagger. Two things Mahomes can only dream of.

rats60 · 09-01-2023, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

Wake me up when Mahomes passes Aikman first. Right now he's Eli Manning but loses to Brady in Super Bowls.

SipSipSIP

What years did Aikman and Eli win their NFL MVP Awards? Being a game manager on a stacked team doesn't equate to being a great QB.

TheFrenzy · 09-01-2023, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rats60

Being a game manager on a stacked team doesn't equate to being a great QB.

Brady couldn't win it all with the most stacked roster of all time and Mahomes failed at least twice with stacked rosters.

This isn't the argument that you think it is.

JeremyNick · 09-01-2023, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Brady couldn't win it all with the most stacked roster of all time and Mahomes failed at least twice with stacked rosters.

This isn't the argument that you think it is.

Yeah but Mahomes had a terrible Oline and Chris Jones jumped offside.

So his SBWar is still 4.

majestik101 · 09-01-2023, 12:07 PM

Maybe Joe meant that Marino is the most athletic he's ever seen when he said "best". Marino isn't even in the top 15 of "best" quarterbacks of all time. I don't know what ol' Joe was smoking when he invoked Marino's name in between sips of room temperature Guiness.

Brandon75 · 09-01-2023, 12:13 PM

I will take Montana's word. One of the greatest qb's in history said Marino is one of the best. I would tend to believe someone that actually played in the nfl at the highest level more than people who havent.

TheFrenzy · 09-01-2023, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

So his SBWar is still 4.

SBWar would be the ultimate pumper stat.

You've unlocked the hobby killswitch.

JeremyNick · 09-01-2023, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

SBWar would be the ultimate pumper stat.

You've unlocked the hobby killswitch.

I can't patent it.

It's the mental juju Mahomies sprinkle on every situation in which the expected outcome of a Mahomes play, game or season is not realized.

He's never thrown an int, lost a game or not won the SB (when adjusted for hypeflation)

TheFrenzy · 09-01-2023, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

I can't patent it.

It's the mental juju Mahomies sprinkle on every situation in which the expected outcome of a Mahomes play, game or season is not realized.

He's never thrown an int, lost a game or not won the SB (when adjusted for hypeflation)

How many SBWars are we allowed to credit QBs with each season?

Did Hurts, Allen, and Burrow each earn 1 SBWar last season?

Did Mahomes earn a SBWar of 2 for his dominant 2018 season?

packman80 · 09-01-2023, 12:54 PM

Marino and Rodgers maybe the two most talented QB's to ever play the game. But both have way underperformed in the post-season with only 1 ring between them. But both will be thought of as top 5-10 QB's all time. You don't need to have a bunch of rings to be great. Look at Bradshaw he has a bunch of rings but no one will ever say he's a top 10 QB.

TheFrenzy · 09-01-2023, 01:02 PM

The sheer willful amnesia by people pretending that Brady wasn't slapped with the "game manager" rap for the first half of his career is astounding.

JeremyNick · 09-01-2023, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

How many SBWars are we allowed to credit QBs with each season?

Did Hurts, Allen, and Burrow each earn 1 SBWar last season?

Did Mahomes earn a SBWar of 2 for his dominant 2018 season?

Burrow had a -1 SBWar for his SB loss, despite having a completely decimated Oline.

Mahomes had a +2 SBWar for his SB loss because he had a completely decimated Oline.

Allen has a -3 SBWar because he lost to Mahomes in the AFCC game when he didn't get the ball in OT

Mahomes has a +2 SBWar because he did not get the ball in OT of the AFCC game

The formula becomes apparent the more you listen to the arguments.

SleeperCards · 09-01-2023, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by majestik101

Marino isn't even in the top 15 of "best" quarterbacks of all time.

tjforce · 09-01-2023, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

The sheer willful amnesia by people pretending that Brady wasn't slapped with the "game manager" rap for the first half of his career is astounding.

The one that always gets me is when people try to compare Mahomes last 5 years with Brady's first 5 years (as a starter) and try to say that Brady was better. Mahomes was absolutely better over those stretches.

Now, compare with Brady's run from 2014-2018 when he won 3 Super Bowls, 2 Super Bowl MVPs, 1 MVP, 2 MVP runner ups, you have a much better argument.

Brady from 2014-18 was better than Brady 2001-2005, and that shouldn't be at all controversial.

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tjforce Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 22,466	If you read the article, Montana delineates between "Best" and "Greatest". "Greatest" refers to career achievements. "Best" refers to physical talent. I can absolutely listen to an argument that Dan Marino is one of the all time great physical talents to play QB. And I'd agree that he was a better physical talent than Montana. Now, Greatest? By this definition, nobody that I know of is saying Marino was the greatest. __________________ "Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because it’s the best thing going. Wooooo!"

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corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 16,810	Warren Moon is right up there with Marino. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

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jplarson Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 15,578	Wow! Not only is he the GOAT QB (20th century division) but he's also the most modest and humble QB of all time. Montana just keeps racking up accolades!

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Stifle Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: I've met great collectors throughout MI and N. Indiana / CHI. Posts: 9,216 Stifle	Jennifer Montana I believe stated that Joe Montana was the greatest quarterback of all time. The accolades are pouring in. Didn’t the Priest at the campus of Notre Dame call Joe, Saint Montana, the Best in the Bay ?

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JWBlue Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 9,205	No..... Just someone saying nice things about another person. No mean. Montana isn't going to say. "I was better than him."

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majestik101 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 41,977 majestik101	Maybe Joe meant that Marino is the most athletic he's ever seen when he said "best". Marino isn't even in the top 15 of "best" quarterbacks of all time. I don't know what ol' Joe was smoking when he invoked Marino's name in between sips of room temperature Guiness. __________________ If you reply with...."last one on eBay sold for this"...then you should have bought it on eBay.

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Brandon75 Member Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: Fond Du Lac WI Posts: 91 https://www.ebay.com/str/hisandhershobby	I will take Montana's word. One of the greatest qb's in history said Marino is one of the best. I would tend to believe someone that actually played in the nfl at the highest level more than people who havent.

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packman80 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 16,425	Marino and Rodgers maybe the two most talented QB's to ever play the game. But both have way underperformed in the post-season with only 1 ring between them. But both will be thought of as top 5-10 QB's all time. You don't need to have a bunch of rings to be great. Look at Bradshaw he has a bunch of rings but no one will ever say he's a top 10 QB.

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TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	The sheer willful amnesia by people pretending that Brady wasn't slapped with the "game manager" rap for the first half of his career is astounding.