Joe Montana’s best QB of all time

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Mahomies are super angry right now.

Told y’all.

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Mahomes finally inched past him late last season. Josh Allen is about a year and a half away. A good 3-4 healthy years and Burrow can get there too.

This might be the sanest thing you've ever posted.

[NHRonin]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

The sheer willful amnesia by people pretending that Brady wasn't slapped with the "game manager" rap for the first half of his career is astounding.

That and the “Dink and Dunk” crap.

[oplum29]

i think as time goes on, i think the debate of the "GOAT" should be put into a proper perspective because of how much the game has changed.

i know people talk about how great Brady is, but idk if Brady puts up the numbers he did, or wins 7 SBs, if he's playing in the same era Montana played in, when QBs were treating like actual football players.

it's why as great a passer as Drew Brees was, he'll never get the recognition people think he should, because he played in a very pass happy era where 5,000 yard passers were a pretty common thing.

that being said, Dan Marino would absolutely have shredded the NFL today. he set the NFL record for yards passing and TDs in only his 2nd season in the league, and he did with solid but not great WRs and no running game.

imagine if he had a true #1 WR, a Megatron, or a DHopkins, or a Diggs, or a Kelce, or a Gronk on offense. imagine what Marino would have done in the league today, you're looking at an easy 5,500 yards passing a year with 50+ TDs being the norm.

Montana has always been a Marino fan, so him complementing Marino and calling him the best passer or whatever he called him makes sense. Marino was a stud. if you're talking about best "pure passers", then yes, he's one of the best ever.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i think as time goes on, i think the debate of the "GOAT" should be put into a proper perspective because of how much the game has changed.

i know people talk about how great Brady is, but idk if Brady puts up the numbers he did, or wins 7 SBs, if he's playing in the same era Montana played in, when QBs were treating like actual football players.

it's why as great a passer as Drew Brees was, he'll never get the recognition people think he should, because he played in a very pass happy era where 5,000 yard passers were a pretty common thing.

that being said, Dan Marino would absolutely have shredded the NFL today. he set the NFL record for yards passing and TDs in only his 2nd season in the league, and he did with solid but not great WRs and no running game.

imagine if he had a true #1 WR, a Megatron, or a DHopkins, or a Diggs, or a Kelce, or a Gronk on offense. imagine what Marino would have done in the league today, you're looking at an easy 5,500 yards passing a year with 50+ TDs being the norm.

Montana has always been a Marino fan, so him complementing Marino and calling him the best passer or whatever he called him makes sense. Marino was a stud. if you're talking about best "pure passers", then yes, he's one of the best ever.

Agree with a lot of this.

It goes back to Montana's point about "Best" vs "Greatest". Best being about talent, Greatest about achievements.

There are guys that you could put in the debate for "Best" that wouldn't sniff the discussion for "Greatest". Marino, Rodgers, Brees.... They all had a ton
of talent, but at the end of the day not enough Super Bowl success to be called truly considered among the Greatest.

As for the all the What Ifs, it's the What Happeneds that really matter. Although, it's fun to think about sometimes.

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Relax, Joe Montana can't possibly hurt your PSA 5 any more than it already is.

So much false information in this brief comment. Come on you can so better! All those posts and still haven't figured this stuff out yet?!

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i think as time goes on, i think the debate of the "GOAT" should be put into a proper perspective because of how much the game has changed.

i know people talk about how great Brady is, but idk if Brady puts up the numbers he did, or wins 7 SBs, if he's playing in the same era Montana played in, when QBs were treating like actual football players.

it's why as great a passer as Drew Brees was, he'll never get the recognition people think he should, because he played in a very pass happy era where 5,000 yard passers were a pretty common thing.

that being said, Dan Marino would absolutely have shredded the NFL today. he set the NFL record for yards passing and TDs in only his 2nd season in the league, and he did with solid but not great WRs and no running game.

imagine if he had a true #1 WR, a Megatron, or a DHopkins, or a Diggs, or a Kelce, or a Gronk on offense. imagine what Marino would have done in the league today, you're looking at an easy 5,500 yards passing a year with 50+ TDs being the norm.

Montana has always been a Marino fan, so him complementing Marino and calling him the best passer or whatever he called him makes sense. Marino was a stud. if you're talking about best "pure passers", then yes, he's one of the best ever.

Brady entered the league one year after Marino left it. I mean come on…the NFL did not change overnight.

[JeremyNick]

Bradies are super angry right now.

[oldgoldy97]

Joe is the second best QB ever!

He likes Marino? Joe’s an idiot!

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Bradies are super angry right now.

We are called Bladies and yes we are. Brady would have lit up the 80’s and 90’s playing against those base defenses.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

We are called Bladies and yes we are. Brady would have lit up the 80’s and 90’s playing against those base defenses.

This is excellent! I like your character better when you play the eye-winking homer instead of the smarmy heel.

#MakeAllNutsGreatAgain

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by jplarson

This is excellent! I like your character better when you play the eye-winking homer instead of the smarmy heel.

#MakeAllNutsGreatAgain

Didn’t know I played anything.

[thesportslab]

Originally Posted by oplum29

i think as time goes on, i think the debate of the "GOAT" should be put into a proper perspective because of how much the game has changed.

i know people talk about how great Brady is, but idk if Brady puts up the numbers he did, or wins 7 SBs, if he's playing in the same era Montana played in, when QBs were treating like actual football players.

it's why as great a passer as Drew Brees was, he'll never get the recognition people think he should, because he played in a very pass happy era where 5,000 yard passers were a pretty common thing.

that being said, Dan Marino would absolutely have shredded the NFL today. he set the NFL record for yards passing and TDs in only his 2nd season in the league, and he did with solid but not great WRs and no running game.

imagine if he had a true #1 WR, a Megatron, or a DHopkins, or a Diggs, or a Kelce, or a Gronk on offense. imagine what Marino would have done in the league today, you're looking at an easy 5,500 yards passing a year with 50+ TDs being the norm.

Montana has always been a Marino fan, so him complementing Marino and calling him the best passer or whatever he called him makes sense. Marino was a stud. if you're talking about best "pure passers", then yes, he's one of the best ever.

Look, I agree Marino would have great stats playing today. At the same time, other than a TE, Gronk, how many years did Brady have that level of quality WR? Let’s not forget when his #1 was Troy Brown, David Givens, Deion Branch, David Patton, or even a former college QB, Edelman? We saw what Brady did the one year he had a 30 year old Randy Moss and can speculate all day if he had, e.g, multiple HOF skill players around him (see 2007-2010ish Brady vs Manning debates)

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Brady entered the league one year after Marino left it. I mean come on…the NFL did not change overnight.

go look at Brady's stats before the league went all pass happy, and look at them afterwords.

Brady's career stat line was very similar to that of Troy Aikman, they weren't putting up these "fantasy football stats", they were very middle of the pack.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by thesportslab

Look, I agree Marino would have great stats playing today. At the same time, other than a TE, Gronk, how many years did Brady have that level of quality WR? Let’s not forget when his #1 was Troy Brown, David Givens, Deion Branch, David Patton, or even a former college QB, Edelman? We saw what Brady did the one year he had a 30 year old Randy Moss and can speculate all day if he had, e.g, multiple HOF skill players around him (see 2007-2010ish Brady vs Manning debates)

prior to the Ty Law rule going into effect in 2005, Brady had zero 4,000 yard or 30 TD passing seasons.

after the Ty Law rule went into effect, Brady had 14 seasons of 4,000 yards (including two of more than 5,200 yards) and 9 seasons of 30 TDs (including 3 of 40 or more).

imagine what Marino would have done in the league under the Ty Law rule? goodness...he would have absolutely shredded the garbage out of the league.

but instead, he has seen 14 QBs join the 5,000 yard mark (when he was the only one in that club), and he's had his record broken 11 times.

none of that happens if those QBs played in the same era Marino played in.

knowing all this really makes me appreciate the passers of yesteryear, guys like Young, Marino, Montana, Elway, Aikman, Bledsoe, and Favre.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by oplum29

go look at Brady's stats before the league went all pass happy, and look at them afterwords.

Brady's career stat line was very similar to that of Troy Aikman, they weren't putting up these "fantasy football stats", they were very middle of the pack.

So? He was healthy and winning. Which you said he could not do.

[JohnnyHatesJazz]

Quarterbacking is more than just passing. There's generalship involved. Attention to detail, being able to hold alot of information. There's talent in all that and Brady had it in spades. He is the GOAT and always will be.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

So? He was healthy and winning. Which you said he could not do.

Who was the one that made the winning kicks? It sure wasn't Brady. Who was leading their top ranked defense? It sure wasn't Brady.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by rats60

Who was the one that made the winning kicks? It sure wasn't Brady. Who was leading their top ranked defense? It sure wasn't Brady.

Man I would have loved to see those 80 yard field goals!

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHatesJazz

Quarterbacking is more than just passing. There's generalship involved. Attention to detail, being able to hold alot of information. There's talent in all that and Brady had it in spades. He is the GOAT and always will be.

can say the same about Montana and Elway.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

So? He was healthy and winning. Which you said he could not do.

wait....what did i say? that Brady couldn't stay healthy? i don't think i ever said that, i think i said i didn't know if he could put up the stats he did if he played in that era that Montana and Marino played in.

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by oplum29

wait....what did i say? that Brady couldn't stay healthy? i don't think i ever said that, i think i said i didn't know if he could put up the stats he did if he played in that era that Montana and Marino played in.

i know people talk about how great Brady is, but idk if Brady puts up the numbers he did, or wins 7 SBs, if he's playing in the same era Montana played in, when QBs were treating like actual football players.

He won three of his Super Bowls before your 2005 Ty Law cutoff date.

[oplum29]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

i know people talk about how great Brady is, but idk if Brady puts up the numbers he did, or wins 7 SBs, if he's playing in the same era Montana played in, when QBs were treating like actual football players.

He won three of his Super Bowls before your 2005 Ty Law cutoff date.

yes, i know that. you do know that Brady is one of my all-time favorites right? and that the Patriots are my 2nd favorite football team, they've been my 2nd favorite since 1992...so i'm not hating on Brady or anything.

i'm just simply stating that if Brady played in the same decade as Montana, who had to go against the the coaching and defense of the Giants and Redskins in the playoffs, play against the Eagles, Rams, and Vikings, who took physical beatings from the Giants (twice KO'd in the playoffs), and who played in an era where receivers were bumped and fought with CBs all the way down the field, idk if Brady does what Brady did.

now imagaine what Marino would have done, stat wise.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by oplum29

yes, i know that. you do know that Brady is one of my all-time favorites right? and that the Patriots are my 2nd favorite football team, they've been my 2nd favorite since 1992...so i'm not hating on Brady or anything.

i'm just simply stating that if Brady played in the same decade as Montana, who had to go against the the coaching and defense of the Giants and Redskins in the playoffs, play against the Eagles, Rams, and Vikings, who took physical beatings from the Giants (twice KO'd in the playoffs), and who played in an era where receivers were bumped and fought with CBs all the way down the field, idk if Brady does what Brady did.

now imagaine what Marino would have done, stat wise.

Brady on the '85 Patriots still doesn't beat the '85 Bears.

#HistoricalFacts

[BostonNut]

Originally Posted by oplum29

yes, i know that. you do know that Brady is one of my all-time favorites right? and that the Patriots are my 2nd favorite football team, they've been my 2nd favorite since 1992...so i'm not hating on Brady or anything.

i'm just simply stating that if Brady played in the same decade as Montana, who had to go against the the coaching and defense of the Giants and Redskins in the playoffs, play against the Eagles, Rams, and Vikings, who took physical beatings from the Giants (twice KO'd in the playoffs), and who played in an era where receivers were bumped and fought with CBs all the way down the field, idk if Brady does what Brady did.

now imagaine what Marino would have done, stat wise.

Again…Brady entered the league one year after Marino and five years after Montana. Brady had to go up against the Ryans and Wade Phillips most of his career.