Rolling 2023 Bowman Chrome Autograph Checklist Thread

[aletruk]

Busted my two boxes that I always do. Got in at the pre-order price. I tend to be a hold of everything and slab the base guys I like to follow. Won't be doing that with this bunch. Every Base prospect card off left to right. Some worse than others, but all were off centered. The numbered cards were all centered fine, as were most of the non prospect cards. But all prospect cards from both boxes were off. Just wanted to throw that out there.

[theredmenace]

Salas base have dropped from $50 on pre-release to $20 today.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

Salas base have dropped from $50 on pre-release to $20 today.

Where do you think chrome autos will settle in the offseason?

$250-$350?

[arod305]

This stuff is brutal. I usually do 3-4 HTA cases a year. Only did one hobby this year.

Watching Houds breaks yesterday, at current cost $50k in 10 Hta cases and the best hit is maybe a $3k card at release?

It’s always been bad, but the bigger auto checklist makes this stuff insanely difficult. I don’t believe it’s actually being sold out and that is why prices are rising.

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Where do you think chrome autos will settle in the offseason?

$250-$350?

Zero idea honestly. The cards on ebay are from personal breaks so far. The cards from breaks are still being shipped so I'd expect the supply to jump next week. There's zero reason for his cards to increase in price over the next 6 months.

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

That’s a great sign!

Still, one major breaker has gone through 20 cases in the first 24 hours of release. No breaker is losing money, yet.

Hold strong, box prices will drop soon enough.

Houdini mentioned he is losing about $10k on his 20 case player break fyi. Rough stuff.

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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by redauto5

Houdini mentioned he is losing about $10k on his 20 case player break fyi. Rough stuff.

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Well, he isn’t doing this for charity. I’m sure he is making it up elsewhere, otherwise he won’t last very long at that rate obviously.

This is another clear indication that box prices WILL fall. Plus, we are only day #2 of release.

[redauto5]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Well, he isn’t doing this for charity. I’m sure he is making it up elsewhere, otherwise he won’t last very long at that rate obviously.

You are right of course. He will make up for it elsewhere, but that's still a large hit to take.and I'm sure will make his monthly bottom line something far less than he is excited about. Houdini will be fine - we all know his reputation. He did mention losing money on previous Bowman Chrome player auction releases and so should've done a 10 caser and loss less money in that format. Bowman Chrome is always so top heavy, so if the big names don't perform on auction it's a blood bath even for a breaker with Houdini's cache. This is just one more indication that wax prices should be 30% - 40% less than they are on this product.

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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by redauto5

You are right of course. He will make up for it elsewhere, but that's still a large hit to take.and I'm sure will make his monthly bottom line something far less than he is excited about. Houdini will be fine - we all know his reputation. He did mention losing money on previous Bowman Chrome player auction releases and so should've done a 10 caser and loss less money in that format. Bowman Chrome is always so top heavy, so if the big names don't perform on auction it's a blood bath even for a breaker with Houdini's cache. This is just one more indication that wax prices should be 30% - 40% less than they are on this product.

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Yeah, with a large international crop of very very young players and the baseball season coming to an end, it’s a hard sell. Another rival competitor has surpassed 20 cases, and even if they break even, they more than make up for it with other high end panini products.

I’m sure Houdini will be fine, this would be a good time for him and his sources to push back on topps/panini and let them know their dissatisfaction.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by redauto5

You are right of course. He will make up for it elsewhere, but that's still a large hit to take.and I'm sure will make his monthly bottom line something far less than he is excited about. Houdini will be fine - we all know his reputation. He did mention losing money on previous Bowman Chrome player auction releases and so should've done a 10 caser and loss less money in that format. Bowman Chrome is always so top heavy, so if the big names don't perform on auction it's a blood bath even for a breaker with Houdini's cache. This is just one more indication that wax prices should be 30% - 40% less than they are on this product.

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It's not just BC. Every single release should be 30-40% without a question. Some should be even more. They've gotten too greedy at this point. But then again, they have people running it that have no clue what they're doing.

[WallyatJCCards]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

Salas base have dropped from $50 on pre-release to $20 today.

Think it will stay around that price?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

It's not just BC. Every single release should be 30-40% without a question. Some should be even more. They've gotten too greedy at this point. But then again, they have people running it that have no clue what they're doing.

In addition, someone out there IS paying that initial high price for their customers, whoever needs the product immediately. Once that demand dies off at the initial price, then we see the drops, like every other product out there.

[RealDocStrange]

Originally Posted by redauto5

Houdini mentioned he is losing about $10k on his 20 case player break fyi. Rough stuff.

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What's wild to me is the photo posted earlier in the thread of the $12k++ Salas price on an eBay 25-caser. That is almost double what Salas sold for in Houdini's 20-caser ($6600-ish).

In the (recent) past the Houdini prices have somewhat set the price for early eBay sales by the big breakers but this is a massive increase in just two days - while at the same time the breaks that were happening were hammering anyone who bought Salas/Padres.

What is juicing these eBay sales?

[ChefCurry312]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Oh no doubt. For $275 on eBay, you can get 2019 bowman chrome hobby box. That has Jrod and only 68 prospect autos. For twice the chance of getting Salas and $75 cheaper...with a much higher long term value on JRod. I'm done with Chrome for this year. Based on the checklist, the prices of the hobby boxes should be $175 at best, not $325-350.

I think you’ve mixed this up with a regular 2019 Bowman (which has J-Rod 1st autos & base). 2019 Bowman Hobby boxes sell for around $400+ (only 1 auto per box).

2019 Bowman CHROME is one of the worst Bowman releases in recent memory. I can’t believe people are even buying at $275/box.

[airick66]

For anyone that cares, I can confidently say that the QC on refractors in Chrome is far better than regular Bowman was. Way less print lines and other nonsense. Base is rough though; sheets were obviously cut with a butter knife.


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[1800gambler]

I got absolutely mauled on my 1 box. Two trash Rockies base autos (bugarin and Perez), miggy refractor, Otto Lopez Canadian flag /499, Almeyda shimmer, Yoshida fuchsia /399, casas it came to the league speckle /150 was the best hit.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by Osfan81

Oh no doubt. For $275 on eBay, you can get 2019 bowman chrome hobby box. That has Jrod and only 68 prospect autos. For twice the chance of getting Salas and $75 cheaper...with a much higher long term value on JRod. I'm done with Chrome for this year. Based on the checklist, the prices of the hobby boxes should be $175 at best, not $325-350.

JRod 1st hunting will cost you $1000+ for a 2019 Bowman Baseball jumbo. For $275 you can chase Seth Beer in 2019 Bowman Chrome.

[zakcollects]

Originally Posted by RealDocStrange

What's wild to me is the photo posted earlier in the thread of the $12k++ Salas price on an eBay 25-caser. That is almost double what Salas sold for in Houdini's 20-caser ($6600-ish).

In the (recent) past the Houdini prices have somewhat set the price for early eBay sales by the big breakers but this is a massive increase in just two days - while at the same time the breaks that were happening were hammering anyone who bought Salas/Padres.

What is juicing these eBay sales?

Traffic I'd assume, way more exposure to the eBay breaks and understanding of their format. I didn't even know the Houdini one was happening.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

I have no idea on value of these guys. Anyone want to give me a guess on Andy Perez Gold auto that I pulled? Cannot find anything to gauge on ebay. Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by Grave252

List now and be the first one. Low end prospect for a smaller market team known for poor prospect development. Might be $75.

^^^

1¢ free shipping, one day auction. The decay rate is huge after the first one.

The other thing you can do is go 5-6x refractor /499.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

Salas base have dropped from $50 on pre-release to $20 today.

Originally Posted by WallyatJCCards

Think it will stay around that price?

My guess is the base settle at $10-$12.

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Where do you think chrome autos will settle in the offseason?

$250-$350?

This is what I would project. Maybe a little higher for implied base on color.

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by redauto5

You are right of course. He will make up for it elsewhere, but that's still a large hit to take.and I'm sure will make his monthly bottom line something far less than he is excited about. Houdini will be fine - we all know his reputation. He did mention losing money on previous Bowman Chrome player auction releases and so should've done a 10 caser and loss less money in that format. Bowman Chrome is always so top heavy, so if the big names don't perform on auction it's a blood bath even for a breaker with Houdini's cache. This is just one more indication that wax prices should be 30% - 40% less than they are on this product.

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Wax in general should 30-40% cheaper across all sports. Literally right now, maybe the only worthwhile rip is Topps Chrome Tennis just cause the prices on the box tanked harder than anything pre-Coco Gauff winning.

Every product since pretty much Covid has been egregiously overpriced.

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by zakcollects

Traffic I'd assume, way more exposure to the eBay breaks and understanding of their format. I didn't even know the Houdini one was happening.

Or simply consider the fact manipulation is always a possibility? Let's be honest here, people can manipulate the prices to raise the interest on these spots. Houdini is very well known for doing massive breaks across all platforms as he was one of the first to be doing those 20-50 Bowman Casers. Personally can even argue he pioneered the whole thing for those amounts. People in this industry know of his breaks very well. I'm sure "exposure" helps, but those who are willing to spend the amounts on these breaks, I can confidently say majority are well aware of Houdini.

There is absolutely no way some of the sales prices on those spots are remotely correct without manipulation involved. I was watching the Luis Guanipa spot and expected after a 5 caser just did $170 to do about $600-700ish skyrocket up to $1200. It's also ironic how that competitor immediately posted another 20 caser right after.

[Dave34]

This product is great for someone.

A friend got 2 HTAs and a hobby at pre-order.

Salas Auto /150
Salas Auto /499
Salas Auto - Base

Going to have to ask NASA to calculate the odds of that happening.

[MR0447]

Originally Posted by RealDocStrange

What's wild to me is the photo posted earlier in the thread of the $12k++ Salas price on an eBay 25-caser. That is almost double what Salas sold for in Houdini's 20-caser ($6600-ish).

In the (recent) past the Houdini prices have somewhat set the price for early eBay sales by the big breakers but this is a massive increase in just two days - while at the same time the breaks that were happening were hammering anyone who bought Salas/Padres.

What is juicing these eBay sales?

The problem I see is even though I still break with Houdini the customer service is not as good as it used to be.The product premium is first couple weeks this 20 cases by the time you get your cards premium is gone will be 2 weeks at min before you get your cards.

KO card breaks did a 15 caser wed. With cards shipping Fri.

I’m still waiting on a 2 hobby 1 hta from Wed still hasn’t happened even broke yet by the time I get my cards the ones I don’t want to hold or have for my pc have dropped significantly. Just my opinion

[Hail2TheVictors]

It’s crazy seeing the pick your player breaks (mainly on Fb). The pricing is flat out drunk.