Formula 1 2023 General Season Chat

[shu4040]

Anybody got a cogent explanation why checo “in the same car” looks like he’s driving a different car? Max lapping .7s/lap in the same car is insane


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[frenchquarter]

Perez is 125 points behind Max. If Max took the next 5 races off, Perez would have to win all 5 in order to tie Max.

Alonso and Hamilton are 165 and 166 points behind Max. If Max took the next 6 races off, Alonso would have to win all 6 races, and he would still be behind Max. The same goes with Hamilton.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by shu4040

Anybody got a cogent explanation why checo “in the same car” looks like he’s driving a different car? Max lapping .7s/lap in the same car is insane


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I think max is that good. I've seen stuff about him that he's in the simulator all the time, all different types of racing too and he will even go on it after a grand prix. The guy is 100% obsessed with racing.

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[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by stanmarsh

Last year this time we were on page 14. Either people moved on from F1 or this site.

Originally Posted by JRX

Could be that or it's just that there's not that much to discuss other than what race might redbull not win. Max could take off 5 races and probably still lead the drivers championship.

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This.

Red Bull is 12 for 12

Verstappen has won 10 of those... 8 in a row after today.

It's a foregone conclusion who is going to win... not just weekly but the season championships.

Not much to talk about.

[Nefugee]

Originally Posted by shu4040

Anybody got a cogent explanation why checo “in the same car” looks like he’s driving a different car? Max lapping .7s/lap in the same car is insane


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just look at the lap where VER was chasing PER, how Checo misses the apex of the slower corners and how sharp Max is steering the front in. just different skill levels.

[fadster]

It's worth saying the RB's are built around Max's driving style, much like Ferrari did in the Schumacher era - but that makes sense if you're trying to maximise points for your prize asset. He likes a pointy front end and a slightly loose rear, it's a unique style that all his teammates find difficult to drive. Alex Albon talks about it here https://the-race.com/formula-1/albon...nd-verstappen/

When the new gen of cars came in last year the RB was a bit more "neutral" and Perez was closer, maybe a couple of tenths off rather than the half-second he is now. As the RB has been developed towards Max the gap continues to grow.

[shu4040]

Originally Posted by fadster

It's worth saying the RB's are built around Max's driving style, much like Ferrari did in the Schumacher era - but that makes sense if you're trying to maximise points for your prize asset. He likes a pointy front end and a slightly loose rear, it's a unique style that all his teammates find difficult to drive. Alex Albon talks about it here https://the-race.com/formula-1/albon...nd-verstappen/

When the new gen of cars came in last year the RB was a bit more "neutral" and Perez was closer, maybe a couple of tenths off rather than the half-second he is now. As the RB has been developed towards Max the gap continues to grow.

Interesting. Thanks


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[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

He's got 1 record over Lewis Hamilton. Most consecutive races won in a season. Hungary was #7, puts him in a tie for 2nd with 3 others (Ascari, Rosberg and Schumacher) with Sebastian Vettel #1 with 9

Hamiltons best was 5 twice.

Verstappen has a chance to take over 2nd alone with a victory this weekend in Belgium.

Verstappen might be going for the best season win percentage in F1 history. That record is held by Michael Schumacher (72.22%) - Verstappen currently has an 81.81% - Verstappen needs 16 wins to get 72.72% - He currently has 9 wins - Needs just 7 wins in the final 11 races

If Verstappen can get 10 consecutive wins and at least 16 overall wins to get the best season win percentage - That would have to be the greatest single season in F1 history... right?

Update:

Verstappen won his 9th consecutive Grand Prix today. That ties him for first all time with Vettel.

Today's victory makes it #11 on the season... he needs 5 victories over the final 9 races to secure the best season winning percentage of all time.

Red Bull is 13 for 13 this season

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Update:

Verstappen won his 9th consecutive Grand Prix today. That ties him for first all time with Vettel.

Today's victory makes it #11 on the season... he needs 5 victories over the final 9 races to secure the best season winning percentage of all time.

Red Bull is 13 for 13 this season

Max driving at GOAT pace.

[Dbacksbaseball]

Lewis Resigned through 2025. Must have confidence in the package for next year and progress.

First real domino of the silly season to fall.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Update:

Verstappen won his 9th consecutive Grand Prix today. That ties him for first all time with Vettel.

Today's victory makes it #11 on the season... he needs 5 victories over the final 9 races to secure the best season winning percentage of all time.

Red Bull is 13 for 13 this season

10 in a row for Verstappen - new all time record. Something tells me it won't stay at 10

Victory #12 on the season... needs 4 victories in the final 8 races to secure the best season winning percentage in F1 history

Red Bull is 14 for 14

Will Red Bull go 22 for 22? That's really the only thing left. He has most consecutive, both Championships and very likely to get best season winning percentage. Will Red Bull be motivated enough the final 2-3 races If the streak is still active

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

10 in a row for Verstappen - new all time record. Something tells me it won't stay at 10

Victory #12 on the season... needs 4 victories in the final 8 races to secure the best season winning percentage in F1 history

Red Bull is 14 for 14

Will Red Bull go 22 for 22? That's really the only thing left. He has most consecutive, both Championships and very likely to get best season winning percentage. Will Red Bull be motivated enough the final 2-3 races If the streak is still active

I have to think the randomness of race day will result in them not winning every one.

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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

10 in a row for Verstappen - new all time record. Something tells me it won't stay at 10

Victory #12 on the season... needs 4 victories in the final 8 races to secure the best season winning percentage in F1 history

Red Bull is 14 for 14

Will Red Bull go 22 for 22? That's really the only thing left. He has most consecutive, both Championships and very likely to get best season winning percentage. Will Red Bull be motivated enough the final 2-3 races If the streak is still active

Max has a chance to become third all-time in career f1 wins by the end of this season - crazy to think about given how young he still is.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by JRX

I have to think the randomness of race day will result in them not winning every one.

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It's been 14 randomnesses so far and it's been Red Bull for all 14. Gotta think if the team motivation is there.... they try for all 22.

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Max has a chance to become third all-time in career f1 wins by the end of this season - crazy to think about given how young he still is.

That's crazy!! I didn't even realize that. That's more motivation for later in season. 22 for 22 might just happen

[JRX]

See, just takes one wrong setup, etc. We will see what max can do tomorrow, but looking like streak will be over.

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[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by JRX

See, just takes one wrong setup, etc. We will see what max can do tomorrow, but looking like streak will be over.

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Wrong setup or testing different setups because everything is locked up?

He has 10 in a row... Now that he has it... time to try new things.

I doubt anyone other than him touches that any time soon.

Both Championships are locked up as well

Perfect time to test something different and see how it works in race setup.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Wrong setup or testing different setups because everything is locked up?

He has 10 in a row... Now that he has it... time to try new things.

I doubt anyone other than him touches that any time soon.

Both Championships are locked up as well

Perfect time to test something different and see how it works in race setup.

Oh I'm not doubting it's locked up, but you know max is super driven to keep winning. He was super pissed by how the car was handling.

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[fadster]

They aren't playing around or trying new things, they genuinely lack pace here. Two theories why:

1 (the most likely) the car just doesn't suit this place, they said they expected to struggle here based on their sim work but would fly again at Suzuka. A bit's been written about it elsewhere (maybe the best explanation here https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-...y-undriveable/) but the ride height with the bumps is what is hurting them here, Spa they had a similar issue but only at Eau Rouge so they had to lift a little bit going through but were fine the rest of the lap. I remember Merc struggled here a couple of times even at their best, it's an atypical track.

2 (IMO not likely but possible) the new TD's tightening up the tests and closing the loopholes on illegal flexi floors and wings has taken away their special sauce. If they are struggling again in Suzuka (which they don't expect), then there will be a lot of chat about this. Williams are the only team to have admitted having to make changes after the introduction of the new TD's (changes to their floor, although it's hard to tell if it's affected them as this is a track you'd expect them to struggle).

[Ferg1945]

3 streaks end in Singapore.

Verstappen Consecutive wins, Red Bull wins and Red Bull podiums.

Congratulations to Ferrari and Carlos Sainz... they've had a rough season, finally something to celebrate.

Verstappen still needs 4 victories over the final 7 races to secure best season winning percentage in F1 history. The only thing left to chase in 2023.

[JRX]

Kind of amazing he finished 5th even with all the safety cars happening at the wrong time for them.

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[22emmittfan]

First race of season almost that had some drama and doubt about how it would end. Was fun to watch the late charge Mercedes made. Loved the strategy sainz used to keep lando in contact with him to hold up merc

[JRX]

Originally Posted by 22emmittfan

First race of season almost that had some drama and doubt about how it would end. Was fun to watch the late charge Mercedes made. Loved the strategy sainz used to keep lando in contact with him to hold up merc

I wonder what would have happened if either no vsc or merc didn't pit. Max prob catches lecler and I could see merc getting double podium. Not sure Sainz would win without being able to use Norris for defense.

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[JRX]

Though merc wouldn't have had the same pace. Was fun to see mult cars in the hunt for a change.

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[Cpdjoe77]

There ya go, max didn’t win and his reaction…..he says he had a lot of fun out there. This sports fans focus on the negative too much. What a great race, not to much of a sainz guy but that strategy was what he needed to win, would’ve likely lost without it. Would’ve really liked to see Norris finally break thru, have a feeling his time is coming soon


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[fadster]

Originally Posted by fadster

They aren't playing around or trying new things, they genuinely lack pace here. Two theories why:

1 (the most likely) the car just doesn't suit this place, they said they expected to struggle here based on their sim work but would fly again at Suzuka. A bit's been written about it elsewhere (maybe the best explanation here https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-...y-undriveable/) but the ride height with the bumps is what is hurting them here, Spa they had a similar issue but only at Eau Rouge so they had to lift a little bit going through but were fine the rest of the lap. I remember Merc struggled here a couple of times even at their best, it's an atypical track.

2 (IMO not likely but possible) the new TD's tightening up the tests and closing the loopholes on illegal flexi floors and wings has taken away their special sauce. If they are struggling again in Suzuka (which they don't expect), then there will be a lot of chat about this. Williams are the only team to have admitted having to make changes after the introduction of the new TD's (changes to their floor, although it's hard to tell if it's affected them as this is a track you'd expect them to struggle).

Definitely number 1, the car is flying again at Suzuka, especially in the aero-dependent middle sector.