Elly De La Cruz

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by brios8

No one is even commenting how he did today..

K Trifecta?

[brios8]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

What would be better for Elly...
A. Tell him he's great no matter his performance?
B. Tell him the things he needs to work on?

Maybe A.. hype him up to somehow get a large contract (might be a bit to late now, but he had a chance to get a Luis Robert type deal)

Since for me B might not work out. He doesn´t seem to have it.
I mean this is what he has to do, keep working.. but I don´t think he has it.

[89Giants]

Im envisioning a Billy Hamilton/Aquino/De La Cruz topps now triple auto

He should be sent to AAA for a week to see how he reacts, maybe he can get some hits and confidence back.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

What would be better for Elly...
A. Tell him he's great no matter his performance?
B. Tell him the things he needs to work on?

C. Tell him that he will enter spring in an open competition for a spot in the starting line up.

Similar to what the Braves did with Grissom.

[KhalDrogo]

I can’t imagine he starts the year in the minors. Think the team would rather give him April in the bigs to prove himself.

It’s impressive how bad he has been. September slash of .161/.299/.179. 68 plate appearances with 8 singles and 1 double. How is that even possible?

[JaxSportsHub]

The amount of energy spent in this thread bagging on a rookie for struggling currently is unlike anything I have ever seen, even on this message board.

There isnt a GM in MLB that wouldn't lineup to take him right now. That says more than any amount of Ks he gets during this slump.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

The amount of energy spent in this thread bagging on a rookie for struggling currently is unlike anything I have ever seen, even on this message board.

There isnt a GM in MLB that wouldn't lineup to take him right now. That says more than any amount of Ks he gets during this slump.

Bagging = showing stats and performance that show a players inability on the field versus hype and potential.

Do you have actual proof to validate your claim that EVERY GM would take him “right now”?

The Yankees have Volpe who has been struggling much of the season in many ways, but has still
produced a 3.2 WAR and a 20/20 season. They wouldn’t take Elly right now over Volpe.
Not one division leader would take him.


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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

The amount of energy spent in this thread bagging on a rookie for struggling currently is unlike anything I have ever seen, even on this message board.

There isnt a GM in MLB that wouldn't lineup to take him right now. That says more than any amount of Ks he gets during this slump.

The Braves wouldn't take him in their lineup right now. He's not replacing Riley, Arcia, or Albies.

[JaxSportsHub]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Bagging = showing stats and performance that show a players inability on the field versus hype and potential.

Do you have actual proof to validate your claim that EVERY GM would take him “right now”?

The Yankees have Volpe who has been struggling much of the season in many ways, but has still
produced a 3.2 WAR and a 20/20 season. They wouldn’t take Elly right now over Volpe.
Not one division leader would take him.


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Yes, listen or actually watch them talk on MLB. They rave about young talent and Elly is at the top of the list of every GM they bring on.
And thats laughable with the raw abilities to think the Yankees would choose Volpe over Elly. #@#@#@#@ing insane.

We get it, people don't like him. They clearly don't want him to succeed and thats great. Im not a fan or a hater, but the constant "lets check the stats today and post the struggle" is just so bizarre.

So much good to talk about. The playoffs are coming, the wild card races are great. There are players playing incredible baseball. Yet here we are every day with Elly sucked posts.

Who cares?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

The amount of energy spent in this thread bagging on a rookie for struggling currently is unlike anything I have ever seen, even on this message board.

There isnt a GM in MLB that wouldn't lineup to take him right now. That says more than any amount of Ks he gets during this slump.

The vultures will circle when the pro-Elly camp claims he’s been an average ballplayer.

[brothertona]

The Braves would absolutely take him right now, because he has far far more potential than Arcia and you could likely get him signed long term and get him around Pendleton/Chipper

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

Yes, listen or actually watch them talk on MLB. They rave about young talent and Elly is at the top of the list of every GM they bring on.
And thats laughable with the raw abilities to think the Yankees would choose Volpe over Elly. #@#@#@#@ing insane.

We get it, people don't like him. They clearly don't want him to succeed and thats great. Im not a fan or a hater, but the constant "lets check the stats today and post the struggle" is just so bizarre.

So much good to talk about. The playoffs are coming, the wild card races are great. There are players playing incredible baseball. Yet here we are every day with Elly sucked posts.

Who cares?

Don’t tell us what to post.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

Yes, listen or actually watch them talk on MLB. They rave about young talent and Elly is at the top of the list of every GM they bring on.
And thats laughable with the raw abilities to think the Yankees would choose Volpe over Elly. #@#@#@#@ing insane.

We get it, people don't like him. They clearly don't want him to succeed and thats great. Im not a fan or a hater, but the constant "lets check the stats today and post the struggle" is just so bizarre.

So much good to talk about. The playoffs are coming, the wild card races are great. There are players playing incredible baseball. Yet here we are every day with Elly sucked posts.

Who cares?

So people can come in and post only about a player doing well? My god when a player is hot there are repeat posts worded differently about singles, doubles, a stolen base or HR.
Boom!
Scud missile!
Launched
Pants down/tight
Rocket

On and on. That’s all fine, I’m good with posting about a players success. But what’s the big deal with posting about a players struggles or weaknesses? I mean are you guys who are so offended related to Elly? I root for and criticize players on the team I root for all the time. There’s a pitcher right now who is absolutely awful in the rotation yet if he pitches a gem or a QS I’ll be the first to say well done. It’s called being a fan. If you consider posting failure at the plate and pointing out the weaknesses of a player to be hate or wanting a player to fail, then you aren’t a real fan. The good comes with the bad. None of us have a voodoo doll of EDLC sticking needles in it I’d be upset too if I sank $$$ into a guy based on social media/MLB hype and he didn’t fulfill the prophecies.


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[JaxSportsHub]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

So people can come in and post only about a player doing well? My god when a player is hot there are repeat posts worded differently about singles, doubles, a stolen base or HR.
Boom!
Scud missile!
Launched
Pants down/tight
Rocket

On and on. That’s all fine, I’m good with posting about a players success. But what’s the big deal with posting about a players struggles or weaknesses? I mean are you guys who are so offended related to Elly? I root for and criticize players on the team I root for all the time. There’s a pitcher right now who is absolutely awful in the rotation yet if he pitches a gem or a QS I’ll be the first to say well done. It’s called being a fan. If you consider posting failure at the plate and pointing out the weaknesses of a player to be hate or wanting a player to fail, then you aren’t a real fan. The good comes with the bad. None of us have a voodoo doll of EDLC sticking needles in it I’d be upset too if I sank $$$ into a guy based on social media/MLB hype and he didn’t fulfill the prophecies.


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Couple of things. Im not an Elly fan or a Reds fan or own a single one of his cards.

But this thread is #@#@#@#@ing laughable compared to any other player outside of maybe Wander.

The joy some seem to get from sitting at their desk wearing size couch cover sweatshirt and eating deep fried mayo balls posting daily updates about the struggle is so bizarre.

Everybody knows hes struggling. Discussion of his relevance to the hobby of course makes sense. But the daily glee some get out of this (not all) is so so so so weird.

[Melagoo]

This guys was just a flash in the pan ... nothing more nothing less

[KhalDrogo]

Getting lectured by a Funko Pop flipper.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by brothertona

The Braves would absolutely take him right now, because he has far far more potential than Arcia and you could likely get him signed long term and get him around Pendleton/Chipper

Wrong. The comment was about being in line up right now. Not potential in the future. Elly isn't replacing anyone in that line up this season. He's a worse hitter than every one of them. And he has more errors than all of them in far less innings.

Elly would be in the minors with the Braves. Just like Vaughn Grissom.

[JaxSportsHub]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Wrong. The comment was about being in line up right now. Not potential in the future. Elly isn't replacing anyone in that line up this season. He's a worse hitter than every one of them. And he has more errors than all of them in far less innings.

Elly would be in the minors with the Braves. Just like Vaughn Grissom.

Actually nothng was said about being in the lineup currently.
It said every GM would LINE UP TO TAKE HIM.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

Couple of things. Im not an Elly fan or a Reds fan or own a single one of his cards.

But this thread is #@#@#@#@ing laughable compared to any other player outside of maybe Wander.

The joy some seem to get from sitting at their desk wearing size couch cover sweatshirt and eating deep fried mayo balls posting daily updates about the struggle is so bizarre.

Everybody knows hes struggling. Discussion of his relevance to the hobby of course makes sense. But the daily glee some get out of this (not all) is so so so so weird.

I own a scarcer Elly card and NONE of this bothers me. I sometimes join in and even give Elly a hard time as well because he is failing to perform. That’s a fact.

If he flames out and becomes a nothing, so be it. I was aware of the risks of holding his cards and I will live up to the consequences of huge potential money lost. All the critics will be right if he turns into nothing, and they deserve the pat on the back for warning and pointing these things out to everyone in a public forum.

Investor bois like me didn’t listen and my decision to keep his card deserves to be ridiculed and laughed at.

Just have fun with it and move on. Being a salty non-investor boi is just as bad as being a salty investor boi - the only difference is that you lost less potential money and are just looking to argue, which is fine, I guess. Whatever lets people vent here, it’s quite therapeutic.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

Actually nothng was said about being in the lineup currently.
It said every GM would LINE UP TO TAKE HIM.

The Braves infield is set for the next couple years. They have Vaughn Grissom in the waiting. Sorry, the Braves aren't grabbing him and signing him to a long term contract to sit in the minors. As it's been said here multiple times, Elly has nothing left to prove in the minors.

You can make that comment about every single top prospect. The difference is Elly has now made it to the top level and he's struggled all season and hasn't really shown any signs of adjusting.

Literally nobody is denying his potential. He's not living up to it. Sorry you can't handle people talking about what's happened instead of what could happen. This offseason is going to be extremely important for Elly.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I can’t imagine he starts the year in the minors. Think the team would rather give him April in the bigs to prove himself.

It’s impressive how bad he has been. September slash of .161/.299/.179. 68 plate appearances with 8 singles and 1 double. How is that even possible?

What's interesting is he's actually gotten better at the plate in discipline at least? Walks up, K's down so far....but yeah

If you take out his month of June, his numbers:

69 game, 296 plate appearances and267 at bats

35 singles, 8 doubles, 4 triples, and 8 homeruns for 24 RBI's and 38 runs scored(which is kind of incredible)

20 steals, 7 caught stealing

25 walks, 104 strikeouts

.206/.270/.356 slash line for an OPS of .626

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

The joy some seem to get from sitting at their desk wearing size couch cover sweatshirt and eating deep fried mayo balls posting daily updates about the struggle is so bizarre.

But the daily glee some get out of this (not all) is so so so so weird.

Yup. A good chunk of Blowout is petty and envious and enjoys seeing people fail, not the player, but the card buyers. I think this is along the string of "I knew anyone buying Elly for alot of money was stupid, who are these rich people wasting money, now I get to laugh at them for being so stupid and losing their money." There's alot of personality types on here who get immense satisfaction out of that cycle

[KhalDrogo]

It’s a basic problem of bat on ball. If you are striking out four times as often as you are taking a walk, you are significantly limiting your upside. Look at Bichette. He’s having a decent year. But again, he’s piling up the strikeouts. He could easily grow to a top 10 hitter if he just cuts the K rate in half.

[johnlocke36]

Originally Posted by JaxSportsHub

The amount of energy spent in this thread bagging on a rookie for struggling currently is unlike anything I have ever seen, even on this message board.

There isnt a GM in MLB that wouldn't lineup to take him right now. That says more than any amount of Ks he gets during this slump.

The reasons you haven’t seen it, is becuse similar performing rookies would have been sent down to the minors. Vargas, cowser, etc

Addell and kelenick were almost as hyped and got jsut as much crap when they were terrible (and both got sent back down to work on stuff).

I guess you could argue Doyle and arias have been just as bad if not worse but I don’t see an official Brenton Doyle thread to talk about how bad glue sucks ( I have lots of Doyle cards and he very much sucks).

[Galileo77]

Originally Posted by Melagoo

This guys was just a flash in the pan ... nothing more nothing less

At 21 years of age i think the verdict is not yet in. I would imagine he will play ball over the winter in the DR and have the finest instructers working with him.
He may even start in Triple A when the season starts.
Many great USA major leaguers at 21 years of age were playing in college and many of the top draft picks for example Marcelo Mayer are in the minors struggling at times as they ascend the minor league ladder.