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Old 09-19-2023, 07:07 PM   #29751
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2016 true 1st year Metallic Chosen Juan of Juan autograph RC

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Old 09-19-2023, 08:01 PM   #29752
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OBO must not mean OBO….no I didn’t make an offer.

To think what it takes to open the product and then hit the odds of being mint etc….nice card I think.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/38612786425...mis&media=COPY


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Old 09-19-2023, 10:34 PM   #29753
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It's basically in line with his career standard he has set to date.
It's below in every rate stat, but either way, he hasn't improved at all since his age 20 season.
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Old 09-19-2023, 10:50 PM   #29754
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It's below in every rate stat, but either way, he hasn't improved at all since his age 20 season.
Kind of like lindor and Correa ?


Lol

Dude has 30 hr 100 rbi

.910 plus ops

He’s fine
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:20 PM   #29755
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Kind of like lindor and Correa ?


Lol

Dude has 30 hr 100 rbi

.910 plus ops

He’s fine
I said he's fine.

What does Correa and Lindor have to do with Soto? Weird comment.
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:22 PM   #29756
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I said he's fine.

What does Correa and Lindor have to do with Soto? Weird comment.
I know right lol 😂
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:22 PM   #29757
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I said he's fine.

What does Correa and Lindor have to do with Soto? Weird comment.
Jus saying anyone looking for these guys in 2023 I would take their comment with a grain of salt about how good another player is
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:29 PM   #29758
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Jus saying anyone looking for these guys in 2023 I would take their comment with a grain of salt about how good another player is
One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Weird flex.
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:33 PM   #29759
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One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Weird flex.
Lol man I’m just poking some fun

But this season is great not just fine but Carry on
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:37 PM   #29760
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Lol man I’m just poking some fun

But this season is great not just fine but Carry on
You mean trolling.
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You mean trolling.
Lol not really , just stating my opinion … sorry if it struck a nerve

But it’s odd to me how a season like this is just doing “ok”
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:09 PM   #29762
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Lol not really , just stating my opinion … sorry if it struck a nerve

But it’s odd to me how a season like this is just doing “ok”
Francisco Lindor has a higher bWAR and fWAR than Soto this year.

That should tell you how "great" Soto's year is.
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:35 PM   #29763
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Francisco Lindor has a higher bWAR and fWAR than Soto this year.

That should tell you how "great" Soto's year is.
Cherry-pick stats much? Look, I can do that too:

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Lindor = 114
Soto = 154


WAR? What is it good for?
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:43 PM   #29764
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Cherry-pick stats much? Look, I can do that too:

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Lindor = 114
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WAR? What is it good for?
I'm not cherry picking. OPS is a component of WAR. Not accounting for defense seems like cherry picking. Unless you think defense isn't important for winning games.


It was a point being made in response to the poster who brought up Lindor.
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:44 PM   #29765
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Francisco Lindor has a higher bWAR and fWAR than Soto this year.

That should tell you how "great" Soto's year is.
Francisco Lindor is a generational defender who also happens to hit pretty well.
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:46 PM   #29766
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It's below in every rate stat, but either way, he hasn't improved at all since his age 20 season.
He's a career 153 wRC+. He had a 151 wRC+ season. It's the slightest bit off his career mark. For reference, Ken Griffey, Jr. was a career 131 wRC+. Willie Mays was 154.
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:47 PM   #29767
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Francisco Lindor is a generational defender who also happens to hit pretty well.
Correct, that is why he has a higher WAR than Soto.
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Old 09-20-2023, 01:48 PM   #29768
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He's a career 153 wRC+. He had a 151 wRC+ season. It's the slightest bit off his career mark. For reference, Ken Griffey, Jr. was a career 131 wRC+. Willie Mays was 154.
That is one of the rate stats, there are others.
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That is one of the rate stats, there are others.
All offensive rate stats have Juan Soto as a premier offensive player.
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Old 09-20-2023, 02:00 PM   #29770
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All offensive rate stats have Juan Soto as a premier offensive player.
A .268 avg is premiere?

For the record, I collect Juan Soto. He is one of my favorite players. I can't help but be slightly disappointed with his season because of the extremely high expectations. When he was 20, the Ted Wiilliams projections seemed feasible.
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Old 09-20-2023, 02:26 PM   #29771
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A .268 avg is premiere?

For the record, I collect Juan Soto. He is one of my favorite players. I can't help but be slightly disappointed with his season because of the extremely high expectations. When he was 20, the Ted Wiilliams projections seemed feasible.
Ah yes. Looking at batting average. I guess we are back to the 90s in discussing offensive performance and being dumbfounded by how not making an out is incredibly valuable. I'd also wait until later than his age 24 season to proclaim this to be the peak of his offensive abilities.
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No doubt the best buy of any hobby good guy going into 2024. It's stupid how cheap his stuff has got with how little supply is out there. It's 4-5x for his low end stuff if he makes an MVP run
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It's 4-5x for his low end stuff if he makes an MVP run
... or if he becomes a Yankee.
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Old 09-20-2023, 03:26 PM   #29774
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Ah yes. Looking at batting average. I guess we are back to the 90s in discussing offensive performance and being dumbfounded by how not making an out is incredibly valuable. I'd also wait until later than his age 24 season to proclaim this to be the peak of his offensive abilities.

You said all offensive rates stats are premiere, not me. We can do slugging at .506 if you like as well.

As a Soto fan I hope he hasn’t peaked offensively. But the current situation is that he is the same player now as he was as a 20 year old.


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Old 09-20-2023, 03:27 PM   #29775
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But the current situation is that he is the same player now as he was as a 20 year old.
But isn't that still pretty good?
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