**The Perennial MIKE TROUT Thread**

[regularp]

An interesting destination would be Seattle in a package deal with Ohtani signing there. They have a pretty low payroll and no state tax; they could absorb Trout's contract.

A really good pitching staff is already in place as well as a young, star centerfielder. Have Trout man left and work on his first base skills.

[Chrominator]

Is Trout about to become a Yankee?

[awz50]

Originally Posted by Chrominator

Is Trout about to become a Yankee?

Yes because the Stanton, Judge, Cole, Rodon and DJ's contract's are not enough

[BAHoopla]

Originally Posted by Chrominator

Is Trout about to become a Yankee?

Nah, he couldn’t handle the boos that’s why he didn’t go to Philly….and besides the Yankees, with Stanton, have enough hitters who can’t handle the fastball

[Cardsandcoffee]

Originally Posted by regularp

An interesting destination would be Seattle in a package deal with Ohtani signing there. They have a pretty low payroll and no state tax; they could absorb Trout's contract.

A really good pitching staff is already in place as well as a young, star centerfielder. Have Trout man left and work on his first base skills.

Seattle could absorb it but I’m skeptical they will completely open the purse strings.

I hope I’m wrong but I actually don’t think Trouty is going anywhere. I think he’s the type that’s loyal to a fault and is the type that just has tremendous, enormous faith in his own abilities. In addition, the Angels would have to eat a large portion of that contract and I don’t see Arte doing that, at all.

[Mephisto]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Even if he wants a trade the Angels won't make it happen. The asking price will be too high and they will say they tried.

I can absolutely see this happening especially because I could see the “Hey you want Trout you need to take Rendon to make that happen”.


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[Stifle]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

The Dale Murphy comparison...

Age 32 Dale Murphy

.279 Batting Average
1555 hits
310 hrs
927rbis
732 walks
145 steals
2x MVP
5 gold glove
1 single post season series (3 hits)

Age 32 Mike Trout

.301 Batting Average
1624 hits
368 hrs
940 RBIs
964 walks
206steals
3x MVP
0 gold gloves
1 single post season series (1 hit)

Dale Murphy's career was completely derailed after age 31 due to injuries. Mike Trout now is dealing with frequent injuries that are derailing his career.

Some members will claim that the actual production runs/RBI’s were close but WAR wasn’t. IMO, these numbers above look pretty close.

Both were at the peak of the Hobby but one was in the internet era where the card industry created rare cards and the other didn’t. Murphy is nearly forgotten and Trout ? ? ?

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by 49ersSF

The Dale Murphy comparison...

Age 32 Dale Murphy

.279 Batting Average
1555 hits
310 hrs
927rbis
732 walks
145 steals
2x MVP
5 gold glove
1 single post season series (3 hits)

Age 32 Mike Trout

.301 Batting Average
1624 hits
368 hrs
940 RBIs
964 walks
206steals
3x MVP
0 gold gloves
1 single post season series (1 hit)

Dale Murphy's career was completely derailed after age 31 due to injuries. Mike Trout now is dealing with frequent injuries that are derailing his career.

Very easy to make a cross-era comp with cherry picked stats. Andruw jones has very similar counting stats as well. The gap is very clear when you compare rate stats and OPS+.

Trout: .301/.412/.582 173 OPS+
Murphy: .279/.362/.500 132 OPS+

So essentially the difference between Mookie Betts and Luis Robert in 2023. You watch baseball, so you know what that production difference looks like in a single season. Now imagine that over 10 consecutive years. Now imagine trying to make the argument that those 2 players are equal.

Trout is indisputably the best position player of the 2010s, Murphy would be lucky to crack the 1980s top 10.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

Very easy to make a cross-era comp with cherry picked stats. Andruw jones has very similar counting stats as well. The gap is very clear when you compare rate stats and OPS+.

Trout: .301/.412/.582 173 OPS+
Murphy: .279/.362/.500 132 OPS+

So essentially the difference between Mookie Betts and Luis Robert in 2023. You watch baseball, so you know what that production difference looks like in a single season. Now imagine that over 10 consecutive years. Now imagine trying to make the argument that those 2 players are equal.

Trout is indisputably the best position player of the 2010s, Murphy would be lucky to crack the 1980s top 10.

FWIW… in the 1980s:

This list has Murphy 4th best overall player
https://ainsworthsports.com/baseball...cade_1980s.htm

This has Murphy number 5
https://thegruelingtruth.com/basebal...-of-the-1980s/

This has Murphy number 7
https://sportsh2h.com/countdown-66-t...-of-the-1980s/

I see your points though and agree with you for the most part. I personally don’t compare players from certain eras because you really can’t accurately do it.
For example, Acuna is having a truly amazing year, arguably one one of the best overall offensive seasons, yet none of his stats are record breaking by themselves (some are as far as team goes), but there are some players historically that have had better seasons across the board. You also have to factor in that it’s arguable that any previous player who had 40/40 or even 40/50 is a greater achievement than Acunas 30/60 or 40/70 because the new rule changes that took place made it easier for Acuna to do it.
People talk about the “eye test” as far as knowing if a player has “it”, yet there are also the new nerd stats that people invented the last 15-20 years to in a way make players look better on paper than they they actually were from a purely in person standpoint. If you try and compare pitchers like Ryan, Carlton and Palmer to Gibson, Koufax and Seaver, it’s a little easier than comparing any of that same group to Kershaw, Scherzer and deGrom.

Murphy was a great player in the 80s, but I’m not going to say he was the equivalent to Mike Trout, but I’m also not saying Mike Trout is the equivalent to Ted Williams either because the gap between Murphy and Trout is closer than the gap between Williams and Trout.


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[eephuspitch]

Comparing Dale Murphy to Mike Trout, I've now seen it all. smh

[Ferg1945]

Codify Baseball posted this on Twitter/X

Highest single-season WAR by guys on non-playoff teams from the last dozen years:

Trout (2012) --> 10.5
Trout (2016) --> 10.5
Ohtani (2023) --> 10.0
Trout (2018) --> 9.9
Harper (2015) --> 9.7
Trout (2015) --> 9.6
Ohtani (2022) --> 9.6
Ohtani (2021) --> 9.0
Trout (2013) --> 8.9

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

Codify Baseball posted this on Twitter/X

Highest single-season WAR by guys on non-playoff teams from the last dozen years:

Trout (2012) --> 10.5
Trout (2016) --> 10.5
Ohtani (2023) --> 10.0
Trout (2018) --> 9.9
Harper (2015) --> 9.7
Trout (2015) --> 9.6
Ohtani (2022) --> 9.6
Ohtani (2021) --> 9.0
Trout (2013) --> 8.9

...and he (Trout) chose to believe in that organization and their process.

[theredmenace]

As much as I loathe to admit it, Trout shouldn't have taken that 2014 extension after Moreno sided with Pujols and dumped Torii Hunter for Josh Hamilton in 2012.

It's a crude comparison but the Angels paid Pujols/Hamilton $260 million for 15.5 WAR, Torii Hunter was paid $90 million for 17.2 WAR. The Angels won 98 games in 2014 on the strength of their organization talent (Trout/Kendrick/Aybar/Calhoun/Cron), won 86 in 2015, and won't be above .500 for the rest of Trout's contract.

[anusinha]

Originally Posted by theredmenace

As much as I loathe to admit it, Trout shouldn't have taken that 2014 extension after Moreno sided with Pujols and dumped Torii Hunter for Josh Hamilton in 2012.

Anyone that cares about anything other than cashing a paycheck should bail out of the Angels ASAP.

[Ferg1945]

It's official.

With 1 week left in the season. Mike Trout who has only played 1 game since July 3rd and with the Angels 875 games out of the playoffs..... they have made it official.

Mike Trout has been shut down for the rest of the season.

I know many of us were asking ourselves.... will Mike Trout return for the final 5 games? Angels have put those thoughts to rest. We can officially look ahead to 2024.

Proof: Source: "I didn't make this up" - https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...ut-rest-season

Thank you Angels!! Now I can stop thinking about him possibly coming back this season.

[BBases31]

Is there any world in where Trout's cards can go up over the next couple years? If he's back to his 8 WAR self and an MVP on a last place team does that even do it?

[caflisch78]

Angels placed OF Mike Trout on the 60-day injured list.
With just a week left in the regular season and the Angels out of the playoff chase, the veteran outfield shifted to the 60-day injured list to make room for Carson Fulmer. The superstar is expected to be 100 percent healthy at the start of spring training.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Is there any world in where Trout's cards can go up over the next couple years? If he's back to his 8 WAR self and an MVP on a last place team does that even do it?

Sure - now that his prices are down, there’s plenty of room to go back up. If he’s on fire next year, and stays healthy, present pricing could be a real bargain ….

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Sure - now that his prices are down, there’s plenty of room to go back up. If he’s on fire next year, and stays healthy, present pricing could be a real bargain ….

Guess which other extremely expensive baseball player this year was on fire, coming off his worst year, had a record season with an MVP, is leading the best team in baseball, and whose prices were flat to down?

There's no reason Trout is going up from here even with an MVP. The Angels will be a dustbin team that no one cares about for years, they'll rarely be on national TV, Trout will always have the injury stuff dogging him at least through a single healthy season. I think it's nearly impossible for his stuff to be higher than it is now unless he pulls off a Judge record type season next year, which is beyond a pipe dream. Trout needs a new team for his stuff to ever sniff a rise from here. He's still the most expensive player in the hobby by orders of magnitude. Acuna has proven how hard a position that is to rise from in today's market

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Guess which other extremely expensive baseball player this year was on fire, coming off his worst year, had a record season with an MVP, is leading the best team in baseball, and whose prices were flat to down?

There's no reason Trout is going up from here even with an MVP. The Angels will be a dustbin team that no one cares about for years, they'll rarely be on national TV, Trout will always have the injury stuff dogging him at least through a single healthy season. I think it's nearly impossible for his stuff to be higher than it is now unless he pulls off a Judge record type season next year, which is beyond a pipe dream. Trout needs a new team for his stuff to ever sniff a rise from here. He's still the most expensive player in the hobby by orders of magnitude. Acuna has proven how hard a position that is to rise from in today's market

Great take (even if its Bbases). Nothing personal to Trout. Just a reality w/ his card prices (if his card prices matters to you over the next 15 months). Plus we've not seen the bottom of the market yet and wont for a while.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Guess which other extremely expensive baseball player this year was on fire, coming off his worst year, had a record season with an MVP, is leading the best team in baseball, and whose prices were flat to down?

There's no reason Trout is going up from here even with an MVP. The Angels will be a dustbin team that no one cares about for years, they'll rarely be on national TV, Trout will always have the injury stuff dogging him at least through a single healthy season. I think it's nearly impossible for his stuff to be higher than it is now unless he pulls off a Judge record type season next year, which is beyond a pipe dream. Trout needs a new team for his stuff to ever sniff a rise from here. He's still the most expensive player in the hobby by orders of magnitude. Acuna has proven how hard a position that is to rise from in today's market

Uhhhh…. Acuna in NO WAY is a player comp for Trout

[BAHoopla]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Uhhhh…. Acuna in NO WAY is a player comp for Trout

Why would anyone consider buying a Trout card now with his injuries, how bad the team will be next year without Ohtani. At least wait till to see if he pushes for a trade to a contender with batting protection and is swinging pain free

[BBases31]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Uhhhh…. Acuna in NO WAY is a player comp for Trout

If Acuna can't rise coming off his worst season ever to a record MVP season for the best team in baseball, why can Trout rise doing an Acuna-lite MVP season on one of the worst teams in baseball that will be out of the spotlight?

Acuna was this to a T going into the year except more on fire than your "on fire" here implies:

Originally Posted by cardsin47

Sure - now that his prices are down, there’s plenty of room to go back up. If he’s on fire next year, and stays healthy

[BBases31]

And the amount of headwinds Trout has to win an MVP are off the charts. Injuries, getting plenty of DH ABs because of the injury risk which will hurt WAR, horrendous team, lower counting stats as a result of the team, being on the wrong side of 32. 27 year old healthy Trout would have an uphill battle winning an MVP on this team. 32 year old Trout with all the baggage, good luck.

I love Trout. I've got a huge card of his. I'd love to see him win MVP next season. Just have to be realistic

[Ferg1945]

I just noticed that 2011 Update PSAs are about to lose the comma. It's had a comma for quite a while. I looked a few weeks ago and saw they were still $1,350-$1,500... now I'm seeing $925-$1,050

I didn't think this would happen.