Dame traded to the Bucks - Page 5

asujbl · 09-27-2023, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by regularp

And Portland already has four young guards: Scoot, Sharpe, Simons and Murray.

I'm always reminded how simple a lot of sports fans still are when I come on here and see the discussions. Anybody thinking Miami had a better offer is clueless.

This was a great deal for Portland.

Completely agree

This absolutely trumps the Miami offer

Herro is good… but in this context… he's just a name

Very blowout

oshmeehan · 09-27-2023, 05:49 PM

Just sayin'....

packman80 · 09-27-2023, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

Bucks better win or might as well fold

This is all in as all in can get

The Bucks no longer control any of their future first-round picks within the seven-year window teams have access to them, having now traded a third unprotected pick to go along with swap rights in the other four years. If Giannis walks out the door in free agency, Milwaukee will be staring at a rebuild without the protective netting of the lottery.

If Giannis wants to leave they will get a nice return for him and also trade Dame it will help restock the picks they are giving up for the next 7 years.

asujbl · 09-27-2023, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

If Giannis wants to leave they will get a nice return for him and also trade Dame it will help restock the picks they are giving up for the next 7 years.

How are you getting a return for him? Read what I wrote

beavers · 09-27-2023, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

How are you getting a return for him? Read what I wrote

Sign and trades exist

packman80 · 09-27-2023, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by asujbl

How are you getting a return for him? Read what I wrote

YOu think Bucks will let him hit FA? They will trade him next summer if he is not going to sign.

ninjacookies · 09-27-2023, 06:20 PM

Ayton > Nurk.

Yeah sure, Ayton falls short of 1st overall pick expectations, but Nurk is a career 13ppg dude that sees street clothes more often than not. Also, he's nearly 30.

Just lol@thinking Portland cares about the mass overpay on Ayton. Who else on that roster is commanding big money? They're doing what they have to do with ultra realistic short to medium term expectations. They're not looking to compete for a ship. They're thinking a 5-10 year outlook, (presumably) stockpiling high pedigree draft picks along the way, while rolling out an ultra young roster that at least -on the surface- offers fans some curiosity and excitement with their athleticism.

It wasn't too long ago that Memphis was in a similar position.

Bux gained a lot in Dame as a down-the-stretch closer, but lost arguably 2 of it's top defenders/enforcers outside of Yannis. Also, Dame's shown to not be as robust as of late, so curious how his body will be holding up going forward.

Suns - hold this L.

P-town nguyens this round.

Nomad · 09-27-2023, 06:35 PM

curious if Bucks would actually want Hield, who has announced intention to be free agented.

prolly over the cap.

packman80 · 09-27-2023, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Nomad

curious if Bucks would actually want Hield, who has announced intention to be free agented.

prolly over the cap.

Bucks have one open roster spot but Holiday and Allen pretty much equaled what Dame is making. I can see the Bucks keep that roster spot open until maybe midway thru the season and can sign a vet buyout player for the pro-rated min.

tjforce · 09-27-2023, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jrnelson

IMO, the Bucks lost size, defense and bench scoring. Yes, they gain starting ppg, will see if Dame can put up those numbers as the #2, but to me the "out" is more then the "in". Then you include the non-protected 1st and two pick swaps.

The 'size' part doesn't really make sense to me, since you also called out the defense and bench scoring.

Does losing 1 inch and 10 lbs going from Jrue to Dame really set back the offense? Certainly Allen's 6'4" size is easy to replace on the bench. Heck, they already added Malik Beasley in the offseason, so there you go.

Nomad · 09-27-2023, 06:49 PM

unbreakable d... hm... if the Bucks are really creative they get Nesmith mid-season, who will be grueling on the Pacers secondary and wanting something bigger. Given his old friend Middleton, he prolly takes $10 million.

tjforce · 09-27-2023, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nomad

unbreakable d... hm... if the Bucks are really creative they get Nesmith mid-season, who will be grueling on the Pacers secondary and wanting something bigger. Given his old friend Middleton, he prolly takes $10 million.

Nomad · 09-27-2023, 06:56 PM

Yes, but all the math computes. As a defender, crash has earned Giannis' utmost respek (scowl level 10)

mossoholic · 09-27-2023, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

Bucks give up a lot but MKE is desperate to try to contend this year for a title otherwise Giannis will likely tell MKE he won't sign a new deal before his contract ends after the 2024 season thus forcing MKE to trade him. So the Bucks are all in this year if not could see this roster get blown up and lots of guys traded.

I read tons of dumb crap on here. Saying a pretty good player with 2 years left on his contract, bench players, 1 1st round pick in 6 years, and pick swaps in more years is a lot to give up for Damian F'n Lillard has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Bucks gave arguably less than half of what the Timberwolves gave up for Rudy Gobert last year. More likely than not, the best thing the Blazers received back the Bucks didn't give up!

cms11 · 09-27-2023, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by airharrison21

I feel like the blazers have to be moving Jrue to another team. They’re already loaded with young guards.

Yes, and I doubt he plays a minute in Portland.

cms11 · 09-27-2023, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by daeve

Those Milwaukee swaps are likely going to be more valuable picks than the Miami 1sts. Bam is still young and so is Spo, and Miami is still a destination young pro athletes want to live in. Miami will likely be relevant or at least a playoff team after Jimmy is gone. The same can't be said for Milwaukee once Giannis is done or leaves to chase rings elsewhere in his twilight years.

Exactly what the Blazers are planning on.

cms11 · 09-27-2023, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mtr

Jrue will be much easier to flip for more assets than Herro would have been. Herro's contract is awful and Jrue is only 33 and was an all-star last year.

Portland should get a nice haul for Jrue.

packman80 · 09-27-2023, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mossoholic

I read tons of dumb crap on here. Saying a pretty good player with 2 years left on his contract, bench players, 1 1st round pick in 6 years, and pick swaps in more years is a lot to give up for Damian F'n Lillard has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Bucks gave arguably less than half of what the Timberwolves gave up for Rudy Gobert last year. More likely than not, the best thing the Blazers received back the Bucks didn't give up!

LOL you act like the Bucks gave up nothing. They gave up a first and 2 swaps when good chance those could be very high picks. But go ahead live in the land of make believe they gave up little to get him. Also anyone with common sense knows the Gobert trade was a stupid trade that was never going to get another team to overpay like that again.

mfw13 · 09-27-2023, 07:39 PM

My take:

Milwaukee gets better on offense, but worse on defense. If everyone is healthy, they're still the team to beat in the Eastern Conference playoffs.

Phoenix is worse off for me after this trade because Nurkic < Ayton and the depth guys they acquired won't see much floor time come the playoffs when rotations get tightened.

mfw13 · 09-27-2023, 07:40 PM

Here's hoping for a Milwaukee-Golden State Finals....CPIII vs Dame for their 1st ring....

GOATcards · 09-27-2023, 07:41 PM

so if Dame helps lift the Bucks to a ring, does that mean Giannis is the best player in the game again?

low-IQ answers only please

ninjacookies · 09-27-2023, 07:57 PM

Shout out to Mil for today's line movement.

Just laid 5 benjis down on the undesirable stepchild of the yeast to make it 3 crowns in 5 years.

Don't overthink this.

mossoholic · 09-27-2023, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by packman80

LOL you act like the Bucks gave up nothing. They gave up a first and 2 swaps when good chance those could be very high picks. But go ahead live in the land of make believe they gave up little to get him. Also anyone with common sense knows the Gobert trade was a stupid trade that was never going to get another team to overpay like that again.

For Damian Lillard, the Bucks gave up essentially nothing. When ever has a top 75 player all time, still in his prime, zero baggage, great person and teammate, with 4 years left on his contract been traded for less? Im not saying Dame is better than Durant, but the Suns gave up what 3 times what the Bucks gave up for Lillard? 2 better young players, 4 1sts, 2 seconds, 1st pick swap. Didn't basically everyone praise how great that trade was for the Suns? Anyone not praising this trade for the Bucks as it stands right now is an absolute moron.

tjforce · 09-27-2023, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Shout out to Mil for today's line movement.

Just laid 5 benjis down on the undesirable stepchild of the yeast to make it 3 crowns in 5 years.

Don't overthink this.

Ha... what were the odds on that?

tjforce · 09-27-2023, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

so if Dame helps lift the Bucks to a ring, does that mean Giannis is the best player in the game again?

low-IQ answers only please

If he drops another 50 piece in the close out game of the NBA Finals.

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ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 54,312	Ayton > Nurk. Yeah sure, Ayton falls short of 1st overall pick expectations, but Nurk is a career 13ppg dude that sees street clothes more often than not. Also, he's nearly 30. Just lol@thinking Portland cares about the mass overpay on Ayton. Who else on that roster is commanding big money? They're doing what they have to do with ultra realistic short to medium term expectations. They're not looking to compete for a ship. They're thinking a 5-10 year outlook, (presumably) stockpiling high pedigree draft picks along the way, while rolling out an ultra young roster that at least -on the surface- offers fans some curiosity and excitement with their athleticism. It wasn't too long ago that Memphis was in a similar position. Bux gained a lot in Dame as a down-the-stretch closer, but lost arguably 2 of it's top defenders/enforcers outside of Yannis. Also, Dame's shown to not be as robust as of late, so curious how his body will be holding up going forward. Suns - hold this L. P-town nguyens this round. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

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09-27-2023, 07:41 PM	#121
GOATcards Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: USA Posts: 6,105 g.o.a.t.cards	so if Dame helps lift the Bucks to a ring, does that mean Giannis is the best player in the game again? low-IQ answers only please __________________ whatever ninjacookies said one foo's NBA GOAT ranking (top 20-ish): MJ, Mr. Russell, Tim, LeBron, Magic, KareemLarry, WiltShaq, Kobe, HakeemJokicCurry, GiannisKevinKevin, Oscar, Jerry, Karl, MosesDirkDoctorAdmiral “Those f---ing balloons are staying up there.” -WFR, 5/5/69

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ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 54,312	Shout out to Mil for today's line movement. Just laid 5 benjis down on the undesirable stepchild of the yeast to make it 3 crowns in 5 years. Don't overthink this. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

09-27-2023, 06:35 PM	#108
Nomad Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 4,857	curious if Bucks would actually want Hield, who has announced intention to be free agented. prolly over the cap.

09-27-2023, 06:49 PM	#111
Nomad Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: Fomenting FOMO on the down low. Posts: 4,857	unbreakable d... hm... if the Bucks are really creative they get Nesmith mid-season, who will be grueling on the Pacers secondary and wanting something bigger. Given his old friend Middleton, he prolly takes $10 million.

09-27-2023, 07:39 PM	#119
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 15,561	My take: Milwaukee gets better on offense, but worse on defense. If everyone is healthy, they're still the team to beat in the Eastern Conference playoffs. Phoenix is worse off for me after this trade because Nurkic < Ayton and the depth guys they acquired won't see much floor time come the playoffs when rotations get tightened.

09-27-2023, 07:40 PM	#120
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 15,561	Here's hoping for a Milwaukee-Golden State Finals....CPIII vs Dame for their 1st ring....