Ronald Acuña - Page 1971

Nostalgia · 10-27-2023, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BabaORiley

This is a testament to the exceptionalism of Barry Bonds, pre HR/OBP/PED king as he was going to sail into the 500/500 club without PEDs.

Bonds Reached the 300/300 in his age 30 season. Acuna has a great chance to get there in his age 29 .

Bonds was special before he took the PEDS, and the PEDS took him to a level never seen before.

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anusinha · 10-27-2023, 03:52 PM

Can you imagine Acuna one PEDs? 80/80 season incoming.

Rage · 10-27-2023, 05:35 PM

I see love for the Bowman RC, what about his ugly sweater Bowmans?

cardozo · 10-28-2023, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by whitmm

Here's a thought. Maybe the players think a lot differently about stolen bases and the ability to play multiple positions than what people in these forums do? Multiple people here have tried telling you all that these votes weren't going to be close.

So what Ohtani has done on both ends of the field and having great offensive stats across the board despite missing the last month is irrelevant? I have no problem with Acuna having the most votes but this difference is a joke. You do realize this is all of baseball and previous discussions were between the two Dodger and Braves players so entirely different.

whitmm · 10-28-2023, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cardozo

So what Ohtani has done on both ends of the field and having great offensive stats across the board despite missing the last month is irrelevant? I have no problem with Acuna having the most votes but this difference is a joke. You do realize this is all of baseball and previous discussions were between the two Dodger and Braves players so entirely different.

Should we also throw Corey Seager into the conversation? Because he was even better than Ohtani offensively, but he missed even more games. Yeah, missing time is relevant

You do realize this is a vote, right? Acuna had a better season from start to finish, and part of that is because he played the entire season. It isn't just who compiled the most stats.

One player having a slightly better season is still going to result in a large difference in voting. Acuna had the better season, it doesn't matter how close you think other players were, the votes are going to be blowouts.

chris_ac · 10-28-2023, 07:53 AM

1 more view on that vote. Players themselves appreciated the come back Ronald made from major injury. He put in the work to change his hitting approach and re-condition last offseason after 2022 was rocky and fighting through the pain he said. Players definitely recognize when a player perseveres through it and puts together production to match the effort. When Joey Votto made those comments regarding his admiration of Ronald back when Braves visited Cincy, this vote proves he was not the only one.

Rabs · 10-28-2023, 06:51 PM

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I see love for the Bowman RC, what about his ugly sweater Bowmans?

Don't forget the White Snow!

wharfrat7624 · 10-28-2023, 09:49 PM

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pewe · 10-28-2023, 09:50 PM

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Ummm… wow

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Nostalgia · 10-28-2023, 09:56 PM

What do you think the reserve is?

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Shadowsonic2004 · 10-28-2023, 11:47 PM

Did anyone catch what the price was at before it ended for the 17 Super? I ended winning the Acuna/Albies double Double hit ball(Acuna and Albies both hit a double with the same ball) I tried for the minor league jersey and his first hit AB ball but I had other items I was winning and didn't want to get to crazy with the spending.

wharfrat7624 · 10-29-2023, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

Did anyone catch what the price was at before it ended for the 17 Super? I ended winning the Acuna/Albies double Double hit ball(Acuna and Albies both hit a double with the same ball) I tried for the minor league jersey and his first hit AB ball but I had other items I was winning and didn't want to get to crazy with the spending.

It was at $425k before the BP…

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Shadowsonic2004 · 10-29-2023, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

It was at $425k before the BP…

I'll assume the reserve was 500k unless the seller wanted something crazy.

wharfrat7624 · 10-29-2023, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

I'll assume the reserve was 500k unless the seller wanted something crazy.

I was thinking the same.

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Junior2430 · 10-29-2023, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

It was at $425k before the BP…

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And the 425k could have included “house bids” since goldin auction rules allow for goldin themselves to bid “up to” the reserve price, which never was met

So actual bids could have even been less than 425k.

My guess is 500k reserve as the seller would have likely wanted goldin to “house bid” as close to 500k as possible, to protect as much of the sale value as possible.

How the auction played out now makes sense as to why Ken goldin did the 20 minute Instagram video as to why acuna is “best buy” in all sports right now as he knew it wasn’t yet at the reserve.

Dominguez super did over 500k fairly recently on goldin. Wonder what that’s now worth.

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wharfrat7624 · 10-29-2023, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Junior2430

And the 425k could have included “house bids” since goldin auction rules allow for goldin themselves to bid “up to” the reserve price, which never was met

So actual bids could have even been less than 425k.

My guess is 500k reserve as the seller would have likely wanted goldin to “house bid” as close to 500k as possible, to protect as much of the sale value as possible.

How the auction played out now makes sense as to why Ken goldin did the 20 minute Instagram video as to why acuna is “best buy” in all sports right now as he knew it wasn’t yet at the reserve.

Dominguez super did over 500k fairly recently on goldin. Wonder what that’s now worth.

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Wow I was not aware of they allowed house bids!! It was definitely suspect why Goldin picked Acuna as his top pick - like we are blind. I’m an Acuna guy and have some big Acuna cards but it was so obvious why he did that IG video…

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MiamiMarlinsFan · 10-29-2023, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wharfrat7624

Wow I was not aware of they allowed house bids!! It was definitely suspect why Goldin picked Acuna as his top pick - like we are blind. I’m an Acuna guy and have some big Acuna cards but it was so obvious why he did that IG video…

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Most, if not all, of the major auctions houses allow for House bids.

KhalDrogo · 10-29-2023, 02:29 PM

Here are the pertinent terms.

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GA may place bids below the reserve on behalf of the Seller, either consecutively or in response to other bids.

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The officers, directors, employees of GA and its related companies, including Collectors Holdings Inc., may bid in an auction only if such person does not know the reserve, if any.

So Goldin can bid on behalf of the seller up to just below the reserve. And Goldin employees can bid on any item provided they don’t know the reserve if there is one.

Shadowsonic2004 · 10-29-2023, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Junior2430

My guess is 500k reserve as the seller would have likely wanted goldin to “house bid” as close to 500k as possible, to protect as much of the sale value as possible.

So you're in the assumption the reserve was below 500K? That would mean someone was really bidding vs a house bidder but maxed out at 400k. Then just missing the reserve bid by one bid. Or it was two bidders and neither wanted to go above 425k and still likely being 1 bid away. Not sure how ultra high bidders think but I know the lower to mid high bidders get turned off by a reserve. I usually avoid auctions with reserve myself because I know myself and I'd feel committed at some point and just over pay. I'd have to be fine with over paying for me to bid on a reserve.

KhalDrogo · 10-29-2023, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

So you're in the assumption the reserve was below 500K? That would mean someone was really bidding vs a house bidder but maxed out at 400k. Then just missing the reserve bid by one bid. Or it was two bidders and neither wanted to go above 425k and still likely being 1 bid away. Not sure how ultra high bidders think but I know the lower to mid high bidders get turned off by a reserve. I usually avoid auctions with reserve myself because I know myself and I'd feel committed at some point and just over pay. I'd have to be fine with over paying for me to bid on a reserve.

Only Goldin knows the bidding history. Goldin could have been the only bidder.

Shadowsonic2004 · 10-29-2023, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Only Goldin knows the bidding history. Goldin could have been the only bidder.

You can see bid history just not any indication of who is bidding. For him to be the only bidder he'd have to use two accounts or having some sort of special permission to have his bids count each bid and not just raise his max bid. Later seems unlikely and first is probably not true either. I can see him raising the bids vs another bidder(s) to get close to the reserve but we don't know that happened either. It's not like this card was some oh hum card that couldn't get it's own legit high bids

KhalDrogo · 10-29-2023, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowsonic2004

You can see bid history just not any indication of who is bidding. For him to be the only bidder he'd have to use two accounts or having some sort of special permission to have his bids count each bid and not just raise his max bid. Later seems unlikely and first is probably not true either. I can see him raising the bids vs another bidder(s) to get close to the reserve but we don't know that happened either. It's not like this card was some oh hum card that couldn't get it's own legit high bids

Please see the terms I posted above. Goldin can bid consecutively and raise the current bid. This is what they usually do with reserve items. They bid it up to the reserve so that it appears there's real interest in the card at that price, and the next bid hits the reserve. It's scummy, but right there in their TOC. And of course, they are not the only auction house that does this.

Shadowsonic2004 · 10-29-2023, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Please see the terms I posted above. Goldin can bid consecutively and raise the current bid. This is what they usually do with reserve items. They bid it up to the reserve so that it appears there's real interest in the card at that price, and the next bid hits the reserve. It's scummy, but right there in their TOC. And of course, they are not the only auction house that does this.

Oh my bad. I didn't notice the bid consecutively. I wasn't in the assumption they'd go that far to bid like that. No, not the only one. I'd assume most do similar tactics. Heritage being one of them.

TheWrightStuff · 10-29-2023, 11:46 PM

I haven't kwpt.up the last year or so. Was the Acuna TU platinum ever pulled? Other than the couple of fake posta here on BO a few years ago.

Shadowsonic2004 · 10-29-2023, 11:56 PM

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I haven't kept.up the last year or so. Was the Acuna TU platinum ever pulled? Other than the couple of fake posts here on BO a few years ago.

Not that I'm aware of.

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