Nelson Cruz Retires - Page 2

vwnut13 · 11-03-2023, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

If you got popped once early on, and then time proves that the juice wasn’t necessarily the production trampoline that it was for guys like Sosa, Giambi, or Brett Boone, then you should get a pass.

That’s why I’m not too bent about David Ortiz getting in the Hall, and I’m still on the fence about Sheffield getting the shaft.

Nelson Cruz was using and never tested positive. The fact that he never tested positive again afterwards is irrelevant.

Drew3000 · 11-03-2023, 04:11 AM

Put him in the HOF!

Mephisto · 11-03-2023, 09:57 AM

Cruz didn’t hit double digit home runs in a season until his age 28/29 season.

Cruz career numbers are very similar to Carlos Delgado who fell off the HOF ballot after his first appearance. Delgado doesn’t have nearly the blemish of PEDs that Cruz does. Delgado’s overall numbers are for the most part better across the board. Some are significantly better than Cruz such as an OPS 73 points higher.
Delgado also finished 2nd and 4th in MVP voting while Cruz’s highest placing was 6th.

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Slette · 11-03-2023, 10:16 AM

From a Twins fan perspective, he's another Jim Thome to me - spent a very limited time in Minnesota at the tail end of his career, but fans embraced them both immediately and love them both to this day.

Good guy Nelly.

Skipscards · 11-03-2023, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Where does the HoVG stand on PED usage?

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Originally Posted by MSU Bulldogs

Forgot about his PED suspension. I'll need a ruling from the HoVG committee.

We completely ignore it. Our only requirements are:

1. You need to be retired for 5 years
2. You can’t be in the Hall of Fame
3. You have to have been very good

base set · 11-04-2023, 12:09 AM

How about the Baseball Card Hall of Fame? I’m not a Twins fan but this card is lit:

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2020 Topps - [Base] #412 - Checklist - Bomba Brothers (Cruz, Sano Celebrate Home Run Title) Courtesy of COMC.com[/IMG]

11-03-2023, 04:11 AM	#27
Drew3000 Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Kentucky Posts: 862	Put him in the HOF! __________________ Looking for: 2010 Joey Votto Topps Black /59

11-03-2023, 10:16 AM	#29
Slette Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: St Paul, MN Posts: 3,229	From a Twins fan perspective, he's another Jim Thome to me - spent a very limited time in Minnesota at the tail end of his career, but fans embraced them both immediately and love them both to this day. Good guy Nelly. __________________ Always buying 2006 Donruss Elite Chad Greenway and Abdul Hodges.

11-03-2023, 09:57 AM	#28
Mephisto Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 334	Cruz didn’t hit double digit home runs in a season until his age 28/29 season. Cruz career numbers are very similar to Carlos Delgado who fell off the HOF ballot after his first appearance. Delgado doesn’t have nearly the blemish of PEDs that Cruz does. Delgado’s overall numbers are for the most part better across the board. Some are significantly better than Cruz such as an OPS 73 points higher. Delgado also finished 2nd and 4th in MVP voting while Cruz’s highest placing was 6th. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-04-2023, 12:09 AM	#31
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,426	How about the Baseball Card Hall of Fame? I’m not a Twins fan but this card is lit: [IMG] 2020 Topps - [Base] #412 - Checklist - Bomba Brothers (Cruz, Sano Celebrate Home Run Title) Courtesy of COMC.com[/IMG]