Current HOF RBs

[jacksonjj]

Henry is getting in the HOF. Stats is a big part of it, but also aura. He is an absolute human highlight reel, and not for juking but because of his epic stiffarms and hits.

Chubb *might be a technically better pure runner, but doesn't have even close to the resume as Henry.

And anyone who doesn't see how CMC has changed the NFL game hasn't been paying attention the last 5 years. I'm not saying he's changed it like Mahomes did, or some of the top of the HOF guys, but he's the best hybrid player in NFL history and I doubt that's even debatable.

If CMC has 2 more great seasons after this one, he's getting in. Just one more great season after 2023 and probably not.

[oldgoldy97]

Roger Craig, Marshall Faulk.

CMC didn’t revolutionize anything.

And he’s been an injury problem.

Massive recency bias there.

[itsbaytime]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

Henry is getting in the HOF. Stats is a big part of it, but also aura. He is an absolute human highlight reel, and not for juking but because of his epic stiffarms and hits.

Chubb *might be a technically better pure runner, but doesn't have even close to the resume as Henry.

And anyone who doesn't see how CMC has changed the NFL game hasn't been paying attention the last 5 years. I'm not saying he's changed it like Mahomes did, or some of the top of the HOF guys, but he's the best hybrid player in NFL history and I doubt that's even debatable.

If CMC has 2 more great seasons after this one, he's getting in. Just one more great season after 2023 and probably not.

I would guess Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, Marshall Faulk and countless others disagree.

[oldgoldy97]

Funny. I paid attention to 2020 and 2021

[mjekase]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

I'm not saying he's changed it like Mahomes did, or some of the top of the HOF guys, but he's the best hybrid player in NFL history and I doubt that's even debatable.

Have you watched football prior to 2015?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

Henry is getting in the HOF. Stats is a big part of it, but also aura. He is an absolute human highlight reel, and not for juking but because of his epic stiffarms and hits.

Chubb *might be a technically better pure runner, but doesn't have even close to the resume as Henry.

And anyone who doesn't see how CMC has changed the NFL game hasn't been paying attention the last 5 years. I'm not saying he's changed it like Mahomes did, or some of the top of the HOF guys, but he's the best hybrid player in NFL history and I doubt that's even debatable.

If CMC has 2 more great seasons after this one, he's getting in. Just one more great season after 2023 and probably not.

Justin Herbert prices tanking.

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by mjekase

Have you watched football prior to 2015?

Never.

[mjekase]

Faulk is the greatest "hybrid" back in history. That's my opinion, but not sure how McCaffrey is even in the same conversation as him. Then you have guys like Marcus Allen, Tomlinson, the aforementioned Craig. I would argue that Kamara is McCaffrey's equal as a hybrid, as well as peak Brian Westbrook.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

I agree with your data emlowe if it were to play out that way. Another way to look at this is from the all decade teams. Pretty much all the players (outside of special teams) that are on all decade teams eventually find their way into Canton.

2010s all decade at RB - Gore, Lynch, McCoy, and Peterson. I think we all can agree Gore and Peterson are in. I think Lynch has enough fame and Super Bowl highlights to get in. McCoy never felt like a HOFer to me.

It is way to early for any 2020s all decade team, but I think Henry would find a place among the four, CMac would as well with another couple big seasons. Too early to tell on anybody else.

I would put Corey Dillon in before Lynch, though I know Lynch will get in and Dillon not.

[JeremyNick]

So we can rule out Chubb for the HOF now, unless we want to keep kicking around his ypc, right?

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by mjekase

Faulk is the greatest "hybrid" back in history. That's my opinion, but not sure how McCaffrey is even in the same conversation as him. Then you have guys like Marcus Allen, Tomlinson, the aforementioned Craig. I would argue that Kamara is McCaffrey's equal as a hybrid, as well as peak Brian Westbrook.

Faulk was revolutionary in his day no argument. But I don't remember him *consistently running WR routes year over year, coupled with a consistent ability to plow over people. Defenses were completely unprepared for the Warner-Faulk show. Today, everyone game plans around CMC.

Allen was the king of the 1 yard plunge. Not even in the same category as Faulk and CMC. Tomlinson, sure. Kamara is the fools gold version of CMC, but hasn't been consistently as good.

[itsbaytime]

Thurman Thomas, Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, Edgerrin James and plenty of other backs were hybrids and running routes.

[foleylion08]

Kamara and CMAC have eerily similar career numbers to this point. Kamara could only hope to be moved to a legitimate contender with better surrounding talent like McCaffrey was. Teams may plan around CMAC, but Deebo, Ayiuk and Kittle are legitimate threats. The Saints don't have that kind of balance.

[BLongley]

Originally Posted by mjekase

Faulk is the greatest "hybrid" back in history. That's my opinion, but not sure how McCaffrey is even in the same conversation as him. Then you have guys like Marcus Allen, Tomlinson, the aforementioned Craig. I would argue that Kamara is McCaffrey's equal as a hybrid, as well as peak Brian Westbrook.

Agreed on Faulk ,greatest dual threat I watched with LT the second best.. but his career is over now …Faulk played until 32 yrs old and some of his best years were ages 26 - 29 with the Rams … who knows but if CMC can keep up his pace with the Niners it could be closer than you think .. CMC is 27yrs old and played 90 less game than Faulk finished with and so far is just 9 receiving TDs behind Faulk , and about 2000 yards less receiving .. and he has 600 less targets than Faulk finished with.

In terms of NFL records, there are a few that only Faulk, Craig and CMC have in terms of 1000 yard rushing and 1000 receiving in a single season , 100 receptions in a season … etc … CMC owing the single season catches record for an RB with 116 and he also just tied Lenny Moores consecutive TD record at 17 games.

But obviously we need to wait and see how CMCs career ends before we consider him in the same conversation as some of those mentioned earlier.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Roger Craig, Marshall Faulk.

CMC didn’t revolutionize anything.

And he’s been an injury problem.

Massive recency bias there.

Originally Posted by itsbaytime

I would guess Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, Marshall Faulk and countless others disagree.

Originally Posted by itsbaytime

Thurman Thomas, Ricky Watters, Roger Craig, Edgerrin James and plenty of other backs were hybrids and running routes.

You all be playing! You guys forgetting about the OG?

Walter Payton
16,726 rushing with 110 TDs
4,538 receiving with 10 TDs
331 yards passing with 8 TDs
And 539 yards returning kicks, just for good measure.

And how can anyone discuss Ultra-Backs, and not mention LT?

LaDainian Tomlinson
13,684 rushing with 145 TDs
4,772 receiving with 17 TDs
143 yards passing with 7 TDs

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Grid

You all be playing! You guys forgetting about the OG?

Walter Payton
16,726 rushing with 110 TDs
4,538 receiving with 10 TDs
331 yards passing with 8 TDs
And 539 yards returning kicks, just for good measure.

And how can anyone discuss Ultra-Backs, and not mention LT?

LaDainian Tomlinson
13,684 rushing with 145 TDs
4,772 receiving with 17 TDs
143 yards passing with 7 TDs

no one's forgetting but both those are guys who could get in (and are in) on their rushing/TD totals alone. No need to qualify them as "hybrid". The other stats are just the cherry on top.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by 49erRCCollector

no one's forgetting but both those are guys who could get in (and are in) on their rushing/TD totals alone. No need to qualify them as "hybrid". The other stats are just the cherry on top.

You are taking my post out of context. jacksonjj posted this gem below:

"anyone who doesn't see how CMC has changed the NFL game hasn't been paying attention the last 5 years"

And those I quoted, correctly rebuffed his post. As CMC is just the latest in a long line of hybrid RB. I was calling those posters out, for not mentioning Sweetness and LT in their lists.

[Retired hobbist]

The discussion doesn't begin for McCafferey until he gets to 15K yards from scrimmage and even then Tiki Barber has never been a finalist for the hall of fame as far as I know so it's probably 16k yards from scrimmage.

At the moment he is just outside 10K yards from scrimmage. Call me in 2026...

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by Grid

You are taking my post out of context. jacksonjj posted this gem below:

"anyone who doesn't see how CMC has changed the NFL game hasn't been paying attention the last 5 years"

And those I quoted, correctly rebuffed his post. As CMC is just the latest in a long line of hybrid RB. I was calling those posters out, for not mentioning Sweetness and LT in their lists.

Copy.

I think CMC is a singular talent in the game right now. That's different from revolutionizing the game.

[foleylion08]

Let's just pray he stays healthy.

[emlowe]

CMC def has to stay healthy and on a good team and have 2-3 really good more years. But he has a chance. Of note, he is signed for the next 2 years with the Niners. His numbers are going to have to be better than say Tiki Barber though as a good example - Tiki is 10.4 / 15.6 and 67 TDs. But CMC should easily break 100 TDs with 2 more good years, and that is a notable milestone.

Given Chubb's age and quite serious knee injury, I think it would be a miracle for him to put together enough good years to make a HOF case. And he is only signed through next year. I say this because it's easy for an RB to get on a bad team later in their career.

(Dalvin Cook going to the Jets+Rogers may have seemed a good idea. oh vey, he has 162 rush yards FOR THE YEAR and is now losing snaps to Breece Hall who is outplaying him by a country mile. Tip for RBs: never sign with the Jets)

It's an interesting point about all-decade team. *Someone* has to be on the 2020's all decade team at the RB position.

[49erRCCollector]

Originally Posted by emlowe

It's an interesting point about all-decade team. *Someone* has to be on the 2020's all decade team at the RB position.

Grid's not wrong though. Would I put Marshawn in based on the historical benchmarks for getting in... maybe not. But he checks the FAME box of Hall of Fame, he is on the all-decade team which is a good indicator of who goes in.

I do think we are going to re-define what the RB position is moving forward. I'm not sure I believe we'll see backs cracking 12k yards anymore. Bell-cow is now RB-by-committee, RBs don't get paid, RBs have a shelflife and there's always young talent in the draft.

So maybe Marshawn is a Hall of Famer.

Side note: Marshawn was on the Smartless podcast (Jason Bateman, Will Arnett, Sean Hayes) recently - he's so awesome. Funny as hell. His take on Pete Carroll had me rolling.

[emlowe]

Speaking of shelflife and young talent, the obvious downstream effect is starting.

19-year-old Junior Braelon Allen just declared for the draft. He turns 20 in January.

Marshawn will be an interesting case for sure - he is eligible in 2025 the year before Gore. So Marshawn in 25, Gore in 26, AP in 27. AP is probably a first-ballot guy.