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[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Trade and sign or no deal. I don't want to see him in pinstripes this spring if he's just going to walk the next year.

Correct. Who knows with this team though.

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[fulltritty]

Zack Britton details analytics ‘rift’ that’s plaguing Yankees

https://nypost.com/2023/11/28/sports...guing-yankees/

[fulltritty]

If he's not injured (a big maybe) the team will get to face Severino when we play the crosstown rival Mets.

[Mandy1320]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Trade and sign or no deal. I don't want to see him in pinstripes this spring if he's just going to walk the next year.

Not going to happen. Boras is his agent and is notorious for NOT signing extensions for big FA. Soto will test the market 100%.

HOWEVER, that fact could be used by the Yanks (and other teams) to lower the asking price. As long as Jasson and Volpe are not in the deal, I still think it's a no brainer. If there's anyone in the MLB that can flip a lineup, it's Soto. Pair him with contact-first OF, Jung Hoo Lee, Yamamoto, and get some bullpen arms and the whole narrative changes for 2024.

Judge and Cole will be mid-30s in the blink of an eye. Win now.

[Mandy1320]

Semi-realistic offseason that would make me buy the mlb.tv subscription now and plan a trip to NY.

1. Trade for Juan Soto - OF

Schmidt/King, Spencer Jones, Drew Thorpe, Luis Gil. I don't think the Padres have as much bargaining power as many think due to them needing to shed payroll and that Soto will NOT sign an extension wherever he goes. I believe it is just a matter of putting together the best package compared to other teams. He is 25 years old.


2. Sign Yoshinobu Yamamoto - SP

Not much as 'leaked' about what Yamamoto is looking for in a contract, however, a lot of analysts agree that he's worth breaking records for. 7-9 years and approx $28m AAV is what's being guessed but we won't know until it happens. 2024 is, once again, looking like Gerrit Cole and the band of question marks, Yanks would be wise to get some insurance especially if they have to part with Schmidt and/or King in a potential Soto deal. He is 25 years old.


3. Sign Jung Hoo Lee - OF

Projected to get somewhere around 5 years, $50m this guy should be talked about more. Lefty CF that makes a crazy amount of contact. In seven seasons in the KBO league, he's never had an average below .318 and only strikes out at a ~6% clip and walks at a ~10% clip. He walks more than he strikes out. He's won multiple KBO Gold Gloves in CF as a bonus. The upside and the fit into this lineup is too much to pass up on for $10m AAV. He is 25 years old.


4. Trade for Dylan Cease

Cease is a guy that needs to get out his current situation. The White Sox are waving the White Flag and I smell a fire sale coming. Cease struggled mightily in 2023 and his command is mostly to blame. However, if you've ever watched him pitch, you would know that his strikeout stuff is electric. If the Yanks can capitalize on the discount and find a way to get him back into 2022 form, he could easily be a CY candidate. He is projected to earn $8.8m in his second year of arbitration and would provide the depth in the rotation that this team always seems to need sooner or later.


5. Trade for Ryan McMahon - 3B

I was listening to Talkin Yanks and Jake got me...intrigued...about McMahon. He is a great defensive 3B and is also a lefty that can provide some pop. However, he is owed $14m AAV for the next 4 years. But, that could also incentivize Colorado to part with him without giving up any big names in the Yanks' farm. I'm okay with skipping this one; it's not a deal breaker either way.


6. Trade Gleyber Torres for arms.

This is where the waters get murky. What arms? I don't know. Relievers are weird and I hate thinking about them. Trading Torres also frees up some salary and allows for DJLM and Peraza to get regular playing time at 2B. I don't think the Yankees are looking to extend or retain Gleyber, so best to capitalize on his remaining value and go improve another aspect of the team.


With the moves above (adding Soto, Yamamoto, Lee, McMahon - subtracting Gleyber) the Yanks' payroll would sit at a projected ~$313m. Even for Stienbrenner, that's a tall ask but it would restore my faith in what the Yankees organization strives for.

The lineup would look something like this:

CF - Lee - L
RF - Judge - R
LF - Soto - L
DH - Stanton - R
1B - Rizzo - L
SS - Volpe - R
3B - McMahon - L
2B - DJLM/Peraza - R
C - Wells - L

Rotation:

Cole
Yamamoto
Rodon
Cease
Schmidt/King (depending on who gets traded)
Cortes

[VinnyH]

I'm on the fence about getting Soto and would not give up the farm for just 1 year. Yes, he could help win you the 2024 WS but Soto will want $40 mil after that. Hard to see the Yankees adding another, even bigger, contract like that.
For 1 year of Soto I would give them Schmidt (who has blossomed), Gleyber (who just needs to move), and maybe a minor leaguer or two.

I like Gleyber but the Yanks have decent young infielders to fit his spot if they don't put LeMahieu there at 2B. I only have a few Jasson cards but he should be a bargain in the outfield if he recovers well from his TJ surgery. TJ for position players tends to workout given time.

Overall I'd vote for Bellinger and Yamamoto if I was in the meeting.

That's my rant and it can change at any time
Vinny

[Mandy1320]

Originally Posted by VinnyH

I'm on the fence about getting Soto and would not give up the farm for just 1 year. Yes, he could help win you the 2024 WS but Soto will want $40 mil after that. Hard to see the Yankees adding another, even bigger, contract like that.
For 1 year of Soto I would give them Schmidt (who has blossomed), Gleyber (who just needs to move), and maybe a minor leaguer or two.

I like Gleyber but the Yanks have decent young infielders to fit his spot if they don't put LeMahieu there at 2B. I only have a few Jasson cards but he should be a bargain in the outfield if he recovers well from his TJ surgery. TJ for position players tends to workout given time.

Overall I'd vote for Bellinger and Yamamoto if I was in the meeting.

That's my rant and it can change at any time
Vinny

I just can't justify Bellinger getting a long term deal. Between injuries and poor performance, it's too scary for me. I don't think the Padres would want Gleyber, especially if the goal is to shed payroll and get controllable assets.

Regardless, I think we can agree that it can't be JUST Soto. If they get Soto, they have to assume they lose him in FA and go balls to the wall to win in 2024.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by Mandy1320

I just can't justify Bellinger getting a long term deal. Between injuries and poor performance, it's too scary for me. I don't think the Padres would want Gleyber, especially if the goal is to shed payroll and get controllable assets.

Regardless, I think we can agree that it can't be JUST Soto. If they get Soto, they have to assume they lose him in FA and go balls to the wall to win in 2024.

I think whatever Ohtani does will somewhat decide Soto's free agency as I don't think a team will be able to afford both of them.

[VinnyH]

I think Berlinger poor performance for close to 2 years all revolves around his shoulder surgery. The Cubs got to see him healthy. I think Judge’s toe injury shows how much of a gamble it always is out there in the field.
It does worry me on how many injury prone players are mixed into all the other Yankee speculation. Please don’t get anymore 30+ year old redemption projects.
Vinny

[hxcmilkshake]

Spend.

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[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

I think whatever Ohtani does will somewhat decide Soto's free agency as I don't think a team will be able to afford both of them.

No worries than because the Yankees already came out and said they were out on Ohtani. Probably a good move because of he stays in the AL, that'll be a few wins if he ever decides to not conveniently skip pitching against the Yankees after his bad starts he's had.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by VinnyH

I'm on the fence about getting Soto and would not give up the farm for just 1 year. Yes, he could help win you the 2024 WS but Soto will want $40 mil after that. Hard to see the Yankees adding another, even bigger, contract like that.
For 1 year of Soto I would give them Schmidt (who has blossomed), Gleyber (who just needs to move), and maybe a minor leaguer or two.

I like Gleyber but the Yanks have decent young infielders to fit his spot if they don't put LeMahieu there at 2B. I only have a few Jasson cards but he should be a bargain in the outfield if he recovers well from his TJ surgery. TJ for position players tends to workout given time.

Overall I'd vote for Bellinger and Yamamoto if I was in the meeting.

That's my rant and it can change at any time
Vinny

What young infielders can replace Gleyber? If you say Peraza or Cabrera, the conversation is over because they can't hit anywhere close to Gleyber. I'd much rather see him at 2B than either of them or DJ. DJ is not going to be the DJ that came over from the Rockies anymore. He's done.

[fulltritty]

I'm torn whether I want them to get Soto for 1 year just to take the chance of winning the World Series or just signing him next season when he's a FA.

[hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

What young infielders can replace Gleyber? If you say Peraza or Cabrera, the conversation is over because they can't hit anywhere close to Gleyber. I'd much rather see him at 2B than either of them or DJ. DJ is not going to be the DJ that came over from the Rockies anymore. He's done.

Agree. I don't think we NEED to trade Gleyber ..lets add Lee, Yamamoto, Soto and that would be a good off season

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[fulltritty]

Besides, DJ can play a serviceable 1B after Rizzo get's another concussion.

[fulltritty]

Yankees claim OF Oscar Gonzalez off waivers from Guardians

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/...vers-guardians

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by Mandy1320

Semi-realistic offseason that would make me buy the mlb.tv subscription now and plan a trip to NY.

1. Trade for Juan Soto - OF

Schmidt/King, Spencer Jones, Drew Thorpe, Luis Gil. I don't think the Padres have as much bargaining power as many think due to them needing to shed payroll and that Soto will NOT sign an extension wherever he goes. I believe it is just a matter of putting together the best package compared to other teams. He is 25 years old.


2. Sign Yoshinobu Yamamoto - SP

Not much as 'leaked' about what Yamamoto is looking for in a contract, however, a lot of analysts agree that he's worth breaking records for. 7-9 years and approx $28m AAV is what's being guessed but we won't know until it happens. 2024 is, once again, looking like Gerrit Cole and the band of question marks, Yanks would be wise to get some insurance especially if they have to part with Schmidt and/or King in a potential Soto deal. He is 25 years old.


3. Sign Jung Hoo Lee - OF

Projected to get somewhere around 5 years, $50m this guy should be talked about more. Lefty CF that makes a crazy amount of contact. In seven seasons in the KBO league, he's never had an average below .318 and only strikes out at a ~6% clip and walks at a ~10% clip. He walks more than he strikes out. He's won multiple KBO Gold Gloves in CF as a bonus. The upside and the fit into this lineup is too much to pass up on for $10m AAV. He is 25 years old.


4. Trade for Dylan Cease

Cease is a guy that needs to get out his current situation. The White Sox are waving the White Flag and I smell a fire sale coming. Cease struggled mightily in 2023 and his command is mostly to blame. However, if you've ever watched him pitch, you would know that his strikeout stuff is electric. If the Yanks can capitalize on the discount and find a way to get him back into 2022 form, he could easily be a CY candidate. He is projected to earn $8.8m in his second year of arbitration and would provide the depth in the rotation that this team always seems to need sooner or later.


5. Trade for Ryan McMahon - 3B

I was listening to Talkin Yanks and Jake got me...intrigued...about McMahon. He is a great defensive 3B and is also a lefty that can provide some pop. However, he is owed $14m AAV for the next 4 years. But, that could also incentivize Colorado to part with him without giving up any big names in the Yanks' farm. I'm okay with skipping this one; it's not a deal breaker either way.


6. Trade Gleyber Torres for arms.

This is where the waters get murky. What arms? I don't know. Relievers are weird and I hate thinking about them. Trading Torres also frees up some salary and allows for DJLM and Peraza to get regular playing time at 2B. I don't think the Yankees are looking to extend or retain Gleyber, so best to capitalize on his remaining value and go improve another aspect of the team.


With the moves above (adding Soto, Yamamoto, Lee, McMahon - subtracting Gleyber) the Yanks' payroll would sit at a projected ~$313m. Even for Stienbrenner, that's a tall ask but it would restore my faith in what the Yankees organization strives for.

The lineup would look something like this:

CF - Lee - L
RF - Judge - R
LF - Soto - L
DH - Stanton - R
1B - Rizzo - L
SS - Volpe - R
3B - McMahon - L
2B - DJLM/Peraza - R
C - Wells - L

Rotation:

Cole
Yamamoto
Rodon
Cease
Schmidt/King (depending on who gets traded)
Cortes

I wouldn't give up Spencer Jones for a rental.

[pewe]

I’d like to see rumors of Gleyber to Red Sox turn out to be true


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[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by pewe

I’d like to see rumors of Gleyber to Red Sox turn out to be true


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Why? So the Yankees can have an old guy who can't hit anymore play second base or two young guys who can't hit play the position?

[pewe]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Why? So the Yankees can have an old guy who can't hit anymore play second base or two young guys who can't hit play the position?

Sounds good to me I’m a Red Sox homer, of course


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[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by pewe

Sounds good to me I’m a Red Sox homer, of course


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I know Cashman has been dumb lately, but I don't think he's that dumb.

[hxcmilkshake]

Getting closer: King and 5-6 prospects for Soto. Yes and yes.

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[JRX]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Getting closer: King and 5-6 prospects for Soto. Yes and yes.

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Funny, post has an article that they're far apart lol

[SethMurphy]

Jones, King, Brito, two lower position prospects, Serna maybe

Two pitchers to play in the majors right now for SD, an OF prospect probably available by 2025 at the latest and two wild card prospects.

If that's on the table you have to do that deal. Yes I'd rather trade Schmidt than King but honestly neither of them is good enough to hold up Soto.

King, Schmidt, Brito, Warren, Hampton, all need to be on the table. I think Thorpe is the one pitcher you try to hold, but Soto could be franchise changing (if you re-sign him)

[Jericho]

I wouldnt trade the farm for Soto when you have no promises that he'll stay. Wait until he's a free agent and then throw money at him. Or wait til SD lowers the demands