2023 Bowman Draft Pre-Order 11/14

[crpav]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

I just finished my own work and haven't read yours yet. I project three guys in Tier 1. I wouldn't even know where to draw the line for Tier 2, but I'd say maybe 11? Then another 13 in Tier 3. I'll check and see how I did later tonight.

May I ask your opinion on Jacob Gonzalez? Not as great as how highly picked? I feel should be low end tier 2 type.

[marterburn]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

I just finished my own work and haven't read yours yet. I project three guys in Tier 1. I wouldn't even know where to draw the line for Tier 2, but I'd say maybe 11? Then another 13 in Tier 3. I'll check and see how I did later tonight.

We had a ton in tier 2. The end of it and the start of Tier 3 (after the Charlee Soto/Luke Keashcall area) is fuzzy-- CJ Kayfus (who I have even higher, but I know it's a hot take), Dillon Head, Jace Bohrofen, Spencer Nivens, Alberto Rios, Jake Cunningham, Eric Bitonti, Andrew Pinckney, Adrian Santana, Noble Meyer, Jacob Gonzalez, Johnny Farmelo.

I came away thinking Bitonti's risk was just quite a bit higher than I expected, which is why he goes so low at the bottom of the tier. Others are just favorites that eked their way up.

Joe admitted he's probably the low man on Farmelo. It's always fair for say something like that for preps, especially ones who didn't play in any pro games yet.

The Meyer/Soto difference is a result of two different writers throwing numbers at floor/ceiling - they're, in reality, pretty close of course.

[RCCTHREE]

Is it too early to start speculating on the Sapphire prices? o/u 229

[theredmenace]

Originally Posted by RCCTHREE

Is it too early to start speculating on the Sapphire prices? o/u 229

Would be nice if the format matched BC Sapphire (add SPs, Sapphire Selections, SS autos) at $229. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same as 2022, base and parallels only priced at $199.

Of the sapphire products released in 2023, BC Sapphire is the clear winner. Bowman and flagship were no bueno, Update would have been a winner with on-card autos imo.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by marterburn

We had a ton in tier 2. The end of it and the start of Tier 3 (after the Charlee Soto/Luke Keashcall area) is fuzzy-- CJ Kayfus (who I have even higher, but I know it's a hot take), Dillon Head, Jace Bohrofen, Spencer Nivens, Alberto Rios, Jake Cunningham, Eric Bitonti, Andrew Pinckney, Adrian Santana, Noble Meyer, Jacob Gonzalez, Johnny Farmelo.

I came away thinking Bitonti's risk was just quite a bit higher than I expected, which is why he goes so low at the bottom of the tier. Others are just favorites that eked their way up.

Joe admitted he's probably the low man on Farmelo. It's always fair for say something like that for preps, especially ones who didn't play in any pro games yet.

The Meyer/Soto difference is a result of two different writers throwing numbers at floor/ceiling - they're, in reality, pretty close of course.

I don't know why, but I thought you had 5 tiers. So I was splitting Tier 2 into Tier 2 and 3. If I combine them I predicted 24 and you had 22....although you had an extra Tier 1.

Copy that on the line being blurry. It's pretty much pick a spot and draw the line because after the top 3 there are no real obvious places to separate. This is always an issue when doing tiered rankings whether for cards, fantasy, strato-matic, or even the real MLB draft.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by crpav

May I ask your opinion on Jacob Gonzalez? Not as great as how highly picked? I feel should be low end tier 2 type.

Prospects Live has him in Tier 3, but he's probably on the border line of Tier 2/3 in a 3 Tier system because my system agrees with you.

[Gurds]

Picture of signed Brady super and orange and gold refractor with inscription on serial number 12

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0mfBO2M...Y1NDJmNzMyNQ==

[Jaypers]

Originally Posted by Gurds

Picture of signed Brady super and orange and gold refractor with inscription on serial number 12

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0mfBO2M...Y1NDJmNzMyNQ==

Really nice cards. I especially love his Gold Ref inscription.

[daviswr7]

That's a lot of on card auto's. Really interested in what kind of coin these Brady's will bring, especially the inscription ones.

[boston12]

Originally Posted by daviswr7

That's a lot of on card auto's. Really interested in what kind of coin these Brady's will bring, especially the inscription ones.

Lots and lots of money

[imbluestreak23]

No etching on those.

What a damn travesty

[Funkster]

Used my MVP redemptions for a super jumbo at Steel City, looks like it may have shipped.

[jfan2024]

Can somebody provide info on how to buy the asia boxes? I didn't even know Topps had started doing asia release versions like Panini and very interested in learning more about Topps asia products and how to purchase

[Slvnumber2]

Just had my boxes (jumbo and super jumbo) delivered this am from Topps. LCS has them and selling them Tuesday, and luckily was able to grab some Ohtani and Acuna MVP buybacks at shows cheap/ripped and cashed them in for basically a free box this week. Should hopefully be some fun rips as well as some inventory to put out next weekend at our show. As a Dolphins fan if I am lucky enough to pull a Brady that thing will be listed asap ��

[fjf31970]

Got my box today at local shop

[fjf31970]

[nabzy28]

Brady chrome on-card autos. It's been FAR too long. Topps football can't get here quick enough.

[cowboyzqna]

Originally Posted by nabzy28

Brady chrome on-card autos. It's been FAR too long. Topps football can't get here quick enough.

To me him having autographs in the product makes it worth the risk of trying a box. I know it's going to be a really tough pull but imagine pulling a brady on card autographed card with inscription.

[nabzy28]

Originally Posted by cowboyzqna

To me him having autographs in the product makes it worth the risk of trying a box. I know it's going to be a really tough pull but imagine pulling a brady on card autographed card with inscription.

At least in Baseball, they've constantly got top current players, top HOFers and legends - on card - in a ton of products. It's absolutely non-existent in football.

[Grave252]

My favorite part of Bowman release is the people who pay 10x value on top chase base chrome cards instead of just waiting 2 weeks when the market floods.

[cowboyzqna]

Originally Posted by Grave252

My favorite part of Bowman release is the people who pay 10x value on top chase base chrome cards instead of just waiting 2 weeks when the market floods.

And then 3 years later one of those prospects will sell for five x what they did during the release peak prices.


Bowman draft is always good times. I wish cases where priced alittle more realistically for "regular" collectors though. I would guess that what a case costs is probably 80 percent of what I usually spend a year on cards... that's alott of money for one afternoon of breaking.

[1800gambler]

Got my box from my LCS.

Brayden Taylor gold draft night auto /50

Ralphy Velasquez blue wave auto /150

Ethan O’Donnell base auto

Jonny Farmelo green grass /99

Chase jaworsky true blue /150

Homer bush Jr green paper /99

[netmasters]

The first Tom Brady cards are starting to hit eBay. Wisely putting short run auctions. Going to be interesting to see what the base settle at.

2023 Bowman Draft Tom Brady 1995 Bowman Dream Draft Picks

[Funkster]

Originally Posted by netmasters

The first Tom Brady cards are starting to hit eBay. Wisely putting short run auctions. Going to be interesting to see what the base settle at.

2023 Bowman Draft Tom Brady 1995 Bowman Dream Draft Picks

Langford too. Lol non auto refractor BIN for 200 bucks.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by netmasters

The first Tom Brady cards are starting to hit eBay. Wisely putting short run auctions. Going to be interesting to see what the base settle at.

2023 Bowman Draft Tom Brady 1995 Bowman Dream Draft Picks

Most curious indeed. $500 out the gate is my guess.