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Old 12-12-2023, 03:08 PM   #1
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Surface binary level analytics.

Neither of those dudes has nearly the same gravity on the game that Zion does. And while they're both exceptional talents, they do not warrant nightly complete shifts in opposing defensive schemes.

That's what makes Z special. He's the most efficient/dominant paint meanderer since Shaq. Not even Yannis has his level of interior authority.

A Chef 40 piece is not the same as a Fox 40 piece, even if you keep the percentages identical.

That's what separates the 1a's from the 1b's/c's.

Again, Z hasn't established enough consistency to put him in that category, but his net effect when he's locked is right up there with the top guys. We saw glimpses of it last year when he was sautee'ing soyboys with the Pels at the top seed. It's frustrating seeming him so disinterested for long stretches this season.

Ultimately this is a very nuanced discussion, because his 1) injury history, and 2) discipline/desire. If we're taking those into consideration, I think many gm's would skip over him for some of the guys you mentioned. But if we're going straight up game-complexion altering skillsets and ignoring the extracurriculars...Z's going way up there.
Gravity not out for this season quite yet but his gravity isn't what you think it is.

Plus, we're talking about this season in a vacuum and it's worse for him across the board, that's undeniable. Last year Zion and this year Zion aren't even close

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Gravity not out for this season quite yet but his gravity isn't what you think it is.

Plus, we're talking about this season in a vacuum and it's worse for him across the board, that's undeniable. Last year Zion and this year Zion aren't even close




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Old 12-12-2023, 03:16 PM   #3
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fwiw, I do think he's shown the ability to be the most dominant and efficient post scorer since shaq and nobody else is particularly close.

I'm just partial to guys who can shoot the 3 and think without that element no matter what you're capped to a degree
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fwiw, I do think he's shown the ability to be the most dominant and efficient post scorer since shaq and nobody else is particularly close.
The bad side?: he's half the rebounder shaq was and defenses not even once.


Expect Duke Zion --> received Big 3 Zion. (which is still way above average, but could be so, so much better).
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That's funny right there.


Haven't been following Zion lately other than. Checking in on this thread every now and again.

Is he still fat and un motivated?


I keed. I think we know who he is at this point. Very good. Not great but still a piece you want. Pauseless
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Just heard a stat on the local Pels are 10-6 this year on teams above .500
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