Fanatics Live - An Observation

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Nobody is buying Bowman for a chance to hit base autos.

They have 3 chances to hit 1/1 superfractors in 2023 bowman chrome, prices were still heading south before the Salas super auto was hit and the bounty is still game.

Singles buyers can help increase the pain of participating in breaks by lowering the hit values, even for supers.

Unless of course, fanatics and retailers will continue to offer outlandish bounties for hits in every product just to spur sales.

1-800-gambler.

[base set]

re: Cup Hockey - is this on Fanatics Live or is just part of the discussion on breaking in a general sense? i.e. has Fanatics obtained Hockey licensing now? Hockey release schedules got so out of wack for so long I lost the plot on Hockey cards.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by base set

re: Cup Hockey - is this on Fanatics Live or is just part of the discussion on breaking in a general sense? i.e. has Fanatics obtained Hockey licensing now? Hockey release schedules got so out of wack for so long I lost the plot on Hockey cards.

NHL is still done by Upper Deck and yes they are really far behind.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Thats exactly what the OP was concerned about. The people who can’t help themselves from spending are being targeted as a consumer base by fanatics and breakers to spend more money, being offered credit lines to go into debt, and being available 24/7 on line.

A total set up to take advantage of a degenerate population that could lose it all and ignoring their social consequences.

1-800-gambler.

Gambling is being pushed hard all over society. Legal sports betting/DFS, stocks , cryptocurrency etc. As long as it's adults then they can make up their own mind as to how they spend their own money.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by rms13

Gambling is being pushed hard all over society. Legal sports betting/DFS, stocks , cryptocurrency etc. As long as it's adults then they can make up their own mind as to how they spend their own money.

Yes, because all adults are capable of spending money responsibly. We've heard that one before.

"Stop telling people how to spend their money" - we've heard that one before too.

1-800-gambler.

[ThoseBackPages]

addiction is a real thing

[fabiani12333]

Fanatics partnered with comedy and sports group, Dude Perfect, to host box breaks on Fanatics Live: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.co...ct-series.aspx

These guys are popular with kids. You see where this is headed, right? lol

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by rms13

I get that. But it's still not going to change how people spend their money. People buying into breaks are gambling on hitting the biggest cards in the release that they are hoping they can sell for five figures or more. And as long as those big cards all appear to be being pulled by breakers and not individuals opening packs then people will keep buying in. Whether or not Fanatics is loading boxes destined for big breakers or not that narrative is out there and the people buying breaks will believe that the best chance at hitting those huge cards is in a break and now in a break on Fanatics own platform

And drop in prices usually coincides with big cards being publicly pulled and people thinking there isn't as much value left in the remaining boxes

I still contend that there isn't enough positive reinforcement in box breaks. If gamblers don't ever win, they will naturally lose interest. There are other forms of gambling that are more rewarding.

Fanatics will continue to utilize gimmicks and marketing to generate buzz and interest in card products. But it's going to take more to retain long-term, repeat gambling customers. And there isn't an endless supply of people with good disposable income that can be cycled into the hobby to replace exiting ones.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Fanatics partnered with comedy and sports group, Dude Perfect, to host box breaks on Fanatics Live: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.co...ct-series.aspx

These guys are popular with kids. You see where this is headed, right? lol

I think their marketing strategy has been crystal clear.

Will Fanatics develop a kid app for picking games as well?

[cholodolo]

Originally Posted by rms13

I get that. But it's still not going to change how people spend their money. People buying into breaks are gambling on hitting the biggest cards in the release that they are hoping they can sell for five figures or more. And as long as those big cards all appear to be being pulled by breakers and not individuals opening packs then people will keep buying in. Whether or not Fanatics is loading boxes destined for big breakers or not that narrative is out there and the people buying breaks will believe that the best chance at hitting those huge cards is in a break and now in a break on Fanatics own platform

And drop in prices usually coincides with big cards being publicly pulled and people thinking there isn't as much value left in the remaining boxes

It's actually a more pernicious form of gambling as they are rigging the game/odds. If we found out Fanatics affiliated players were throwing games...there would be outrage and disgust.

People would also stop betting on games featuring those athletes etc...we actually have the inverse scenario occurring because too many people try and explain away the nefarious BS. Fanatics is rigging the game, so degens run and splash cash on their sponsored breakers to increase their odds.

hermano's point is that attaching a negative stigma to breaking/using these platforms is a means to bring the prices and hobby back to reality. It's in a fairly toxic place at the moment.

Originally Posted by base set

re: Cup Hockey - is this on Fanatics Live or is just part of the discussion on breaking in a general sense? i.e. has Fanatics obtained Hockey licensing now? Hockey release schedules got so out of wack for so long I lost the plot on Hockey cards.

Just an example, thankfully. The Cup is priced at $1,200 meaning people are paying $200/card (for 21-22...yes, they are that far behind)...the chances of recouping that are minimal. Also, Upper Deck (who I usually defend) have taken extreme liberties with their QC...they printed player-worn on some very sought after RPAs, only to now insist they are game-worn and shouldn't be questioned.

Also keep sliding in sticker autos of highly anticipated players (Kaprizov & Zegras) without informing collectors prior to release. Only once people started opening the product did they discover sticker autos...imagine pre-ordering a case or paying for a break spot, to find that coveted RPA isn't what you thought it would be.

Upper Deck insists they've locked up the NHL license for a "long time"...but Fanatics is set to become official on-ice supplier of NHL jerseys (after taking over fan gear a few seasons ago), so we will see if they can hold them off.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I think their marketing strategy has been crystal clear.

Will Fanatics develop a kid app for picking games as well?

I cant wait until 8-year olds ask their Mom and Dad if they can be Cash App'd $25 to pick "swords and shields" or "cool jerseys" for this weeks fantasy team.

[Callmethevreez]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Haha, actually close! More of a $20 roll to win an Ohtani auto haha.

A few months ago someone actually did hit a Purdy Select Draft auto which made a lot of buzz. These could be designed to absolutely screw over consumers who view a $20 dice roll as entertainment money given the demand from cardboard degens is generally inelastic to ROI, as most just don’t think that far ahead. But limiting a house edge to create the occasional big winner and occasional mild winner is a fun way to make a little, generate table traffic while moving otherwise unmovable stuff

Did you ever set up in Nashville with this game?

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Callmethevreez

Did you ever set up in Nashville with this game?

No but my buddy is trying to convince me to go to the March(?) show as that's suppose to be a really good one, so I may fly out to that one calendar permitting.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

No but my buddy is trying to convince me to go to the March(?) show as that's suppose to be a really good one, so I may fly out to that one calendar permitting.

I’ve heard many show promoters have outlawed these so called games of chance.

Dice games, card roulette wheels and grab bags were really popular in the 80’s.

[DegaBama]

Others have already said it, the group break game isn't going anywhere. I spent $100 to be in six, player case breaks of Upper Deck Artifacts Hockey. A case is $3,000. I watched 120 boxes be opened and I got over 10 cards for the PC. Not one case would have recouped $2,000. $18,000 worth of product being opened and it cost me $100 to be involved. That's the way to go, every time.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Others have already said it, the group break game isn't going anywhere. I spent $100 to be in six, player case breaks of Upper Deck Artifacts Hockey. A case is $3,000. I watched 120 boxes be opened and I got over 10 cards for the PC. Not one case would have recouped $2,000. $18,000 worth of product being opened and it cost me $100 to be involved. That's the way to go, every time.

Same here. I'm a team collector so buying into pyt breaks is a better return then buying personal boxes. I'm not chasing the big rookies (unless they are Red Sox). I can spend hundreds on a hobby box and get no good Sox cards for the PC or I can spend $100 or less on a break and get several. I bought into two Platinum Anniversary breaks this year and got a Rice /25 and Ortiz /10. I'm happier with that then buying a personal box and having the hits be some utility player for the Pirates or similar

[POKTRITON]

Breaking, Razzes, Raffles, Repacks, Mystery boxes / bags etc. Its all some form of gambling and another way to sell crap.

[theshowandme]

If you ever see me hyping Fanatics Live, please report my kidnapping to authorities because Im being forced against my will.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Yes, because all adults are capable of spending money responsibly. We've heard that one before.

"Stop telling people how to spend their money" - we've heard that one before too.

1-800-gambler.

If they don't they can deal with their own circumstances. It doesnt make a difference to anyone what other people do with their money.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by cholodolo

It's actually a more pernicious form of gambling as they are rigging the game/odds. If we found out Fanatics affiliated players were throwing games...there would be outrage and disgust.

People would also stop betting on games featuring those athletes etc...we actually have the inverse scenario occurring because too many people try and explain away the nefarious BS. Fanatics is rigging the game, so degens run and splash cash on their sponsored breakers to increase their odds.

hermano's point is that attaching a negative stigma to breaking/using these platforms is a means to bring the prices and hobby back to reality. It's in a fairly toxic place at the moment.



Just an example, thankfully. The Cup is priced at $1,200 meaning people are paying $200/card (for 21-22...yes, they are that far behind)...the chances of recouping that are minimal. Also, Upper Deck (who I usually defend) have taken extreme liberties with their QC...they printed player-worn on some very sought after RPAs, only to now insist they are game-worn and shouldn't be questioned.

Also keep sliding in sticker autos of highly anticipated players (Kaprizov & Zegras) without informing collectors prior to release. Only once people started opening the product did they discover sticker autos...imagine pre-ordering a case or paying for a break spot, to find that coveted RPA isn't what you thought it would be.

Upper Deck insists they've locked up the NHL license for a "long time"...but Fanatics is set to become official on-ice supplier of NHL jerseys (after taking over fan gear a few seasons ago), so we will see if they can hold them off.

m pretty sure the NFL, NBA and stock market are rigged. Look at Nancy Pelosi's annual returns in the stock market vs S&P 500 and the average retail investor. All of these things are designed to take people's money.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Others have already said it, the group break game isn't going anywhere. I spent $100 to be in six, player case breaks of Upper Deck Artifacts Hockey. A case is $3,000. I watched 120 boxes be opened and I got over 10 cards for the PC. Not one case would have recouped $2,000. $18,000 worth of product being opened and it cost me $100 to be involved. That's the way to go, every time.

Originally Posted by rms13

Same here. I'm a team collector so buying into pyt breaks is a better return then buying personal boxes. I'm not chasing the big rookies (unless they are Red Sox). I can spend hundreds on a hobby box and get no good Sox cards for the PC or I can spend $100 or less on a break and get several. I bought into two Platinum Anniversary breaks this year and got a Rice /25 and Ortiz /10. I'm happier with that then buying a personal box and having the hits be some utility player for the Pirates or similar

Why not just buy singles as opposed to breaking?

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Why not just buy singles as opposed to breaking?

I do that

[RCCTHREE]

Originally Posted by rms13

Gambling is being pushed hard all over society. Legal sports betting/DFS, stocks , cryptocurrency etc. As long as it's adults then they can make up their own mind as to how they spend their own money.

This is a great point too, the big push for partnering with DFS and sports betting sites with the NFL just seems incredibly problematic and once the money gets involved like that you have to wonder how the game will change too..

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by rms13

If they don't they can deal with their own circumstances. It doesnt make a difference to anyone what other people do with their money.

There is still a social stigma against gambling.

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

There is still a social stigma against gambling.

not in my social circle of late twenties and early thirty year old males.

It is weird if you do NOT gamble, play fantasy football for $, etc.