Bulls Ring of Honor

[Asian62150]

Just watched the halftime ceremony.

-Bulls should have locked in MJ before announcing the date (unless he absolutely refused to show up). If MJ refuses to show up, then schedule it around Pippen. If Pip refuses to show up, schedule around Rodman. But at least 1 of those 3 guys needed to be there.

-nice to see Phil Jax

-Sad and shameful that Bulls fan booed Jerry Krause's widow. I always felt Krause didn't get his due credit for putting together a 6x champion. MJ painted him as a villain and the media and fans ran with it. He wasn't perfect but you can't argue the results. He brought in Phil, traded for Scottie and Dennis, drafted Horace, etc...

Felt like the night was slapped together. Could have done much better.

[Charismatic44th]

So Rodman, Pippen, and Jordan all didnt show up?

[Charismatic44th]

Just watched it, how classless by Bulls fans to boo Jerry Krause's widow. Thats really embarrassing.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by Charismatic44th

So Rodman, Pippen, and Jordan all didnt show up?

Nope. MJ made a video. Pippen and Rodman just completely no-showed.

Seeing Krause's widow get booed might be my most embarrassing moment as a Bulls fan.

I went to his banner ceremony in 2003 to show respect and the fans booed him then, too. Without Krause, there's no dynasty. It's that simple.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Nope. MJ made a video. Pippen and Rodman just completely no-showed.

Seeing Krause's widow get booed might be my most embarrassing moment as a Bulls fan.

I went to his banner ceremony in 2003 to show respect and the fans booed him then, too. Without Krause, there's no dynasty. It's that simple.

Dennis said he couldn't make it because of the weather though. Who knows if it's true.

I wasn't planning to watch it because of no MJ/Pip/Rodman. Figured I would just catch up with the interviews and videos of everyone there.

I'm so glad I didn't watch it. Booing Krause's widow is beyond embarrassing. I always wondered how we got the GarPax era and things like this makes me feel like it should have gone for another decade. Love him or hate him, there's no dynasty without Krause and everyone with a brain knows it.

Silver lining, loved Stacey going after the fans on the broadcast. Simple and to the point.

[REGGIE206]

I was watching the game and saw the ceremony. I cringed when I saw and heard the crowd boo her. I felt so bad for her.

[bullrose23]

Life long Bulls fan, and I was looking forward to this.

the fact that none of the big 3 showed and then the fans booed Krause's widow makes this a loss all around and a black eye to the franchise.

I have not posted in a long time and wanted to update my Bulls PC thread tonight because of the ROH, but I will wait a day or two because today is not a great day to be a Bulls fan.

EMBARRASSING

[dizzy4111]

Yeah I watched it live. Very shameful.

[dengbang]

I was at the game, my friend and I were disappointed and embarrassed as Bulls fans. Fans shouldn't have boo'ed in the first place but the Bulls organization should have shown the widows face prior to announcing Jerry Krause. It's not like they didn't have a clue that something like that might happen.

Something else I noticed was some frustration during the game among the Bulls players, most notably Lavine. He was incredibly mad after the game...enough to give me a hard slap high five. All I said to him was good game Zach, get them next time.

[rhigh2390]

I was also at the game and was obviously disappointed that the big 3 weren't there, but it was awesome seeing about every other member of the 95-96 team including Phil. His ovation was by far the longest and loudest. My wife and I were shocked beyond belief when fans were booing Jerry Krause. It looked worse than what it actually was because they showed a quick Krause video before showing his widow, but 100% classless and embarrassing. Like I said though, the night was totally worth it for me to see all of the role players from 95-96 and Phil along with a couple assistants.

[ninjabum87]

How many people born after like 89 even have a reason to boo him anyway? Is this just some tradition of anger passed down from parent to child like an heirloom or something? "Son, you finally turned 16. It's time we had a talk about your familial duty to hate Jerry Krause." Gotta be a lot of people who developed these feelings after watching The Last Dance recently I imagine. Find it hard to believe it's a bunch of geriatrics who were actually adults back then booing this much.

Either way, 90s Bulls fans were the Brady-era Pats fans of the NBA. You know you're entitled as fk when you're pissing and moaning about your GM who built two separate rosters around MJ so they could win 6 rings. Especially when it was almost assuredly the cheap ass owner who had him blow it all up anyway.

[rifleman69]

Up by 19 at the break to down by 15 after the third quarter. Curry and company showed that they're not quite done yet.

[packman80]

Chicago fans are trash but what can you expect from that city.

[YouTheManNick]

The boo'ing situation is a bummer. But I don't think most realized they were boo'ing her at first.

They were putting the pictures/names up on the jumbotron before making the audio announcement. It seemed to me that they booed initially at the photo, then pulled back.

You can argue whether or not they should boo Krause. But he antagonized MJ and the fans are gonna side with MJ over the exec. But it did look to me like they pulled back after the wife reveal.

I watched it live and have not watched a replay. So I could be wrong. But I noticed throughout that they'd start cheering (or boo'ing in this case) well before a name was verbally announced.

When I heard the boos I thought "must be about to announce Krause." Then they said he's represented by his wife and I was like "oh, that poor woman." then boos pulled back.

Also. I can't help but laugh when people use the term "classless" to describe people at sporting events. A lot of people at games maybe go to a handful a year and they go to let loose, drink beers and ignore their lives for a few hours. Cramming tens of thousands of people into a stadium, feeding them alcohol and giving them things to cheer/boo and expecting them to be "classy" is a very ridiculous notion.

[imbluestreak23]

Chicago, do better.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by YouTheManNick

The boo'ing situation is a bummer. But I don't think most realized they were boo'ing her at first.

They were putting the pictures/names up on the jumbotron before making the audio announcement. It seemed to me that they booed initially at the photo, then pulled back.

You can argue whether or not they should boo Krause. But he antagonized MJ and the fans are gonna side with MJ over the exec. But it did look to me like they pulled back after the wife reveal.

I watched it live and have not watched a replay. So I could be wrong. But I noticed throughout that they'd start cheering (or boo'ing in this case) well before a name was verbally announced.

When I heard the boos I thought "must be about to announce Krause." Then they said he's represented by his wife and I was like "oh, that poor woman." then boos pulled back.

Also. I can't help but laugh when people use the term "classless" to describe people at sporting events. A lot of people at games maybe go to a handful a year and they go to let loose, drink beers and ignore their lives for a few hours. Cramming tens of thousands of people into a stadium, feeding them alcohol and giving them things to cheer/boo and expecting them to be "classy" is a very ridiculous notion.

It's shameful to boo someone's widow.

But it's also shameful for Bulls fans to boo Jerry Krause. It shows their blind hate for a guy and also their ignorance as sports fans (who are typically pretty knowledgable).

As Stacey King said on yesterday's broadcast, “Whether you like Jerry Krause or not, that man brought six championships here. He didn’t shoot a basket nor did he get a rebound, but he put six titles up in this arena. There’s a lot of teams who don’t even have one.”

Krause and MJ had huge egos that only grew with each championship, but I'd argue Krause took the higher road more often than not because he had to hold it in while the players made fun of him privately and also to the media. Can you imagine being the boss and having your employees openly mock/bully you for your physique while being wildly successful (perhaps the best) at your profession?

At the end of the day, why can't we just appreciate everyone that contributed to those dynastic Bulls teams?

[ninjabum87]

Plus even ignoring the fact that if you swap GMs and they don't have 6 titles, the guy isn't f'ing Hitler or someone like that. He's dead, let that shiz go.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

It's shameful to boo someone's widow.

But it's also shameful for Bulls fans to boo Jerry Krause. It shows their blind hate for a guy and also their ignorance as sports fans (who are typically pretty knowledgable).

As Stacey King said on yesterday's broadcast, “Whether you like Jerry Krause or not, that man brought six championships here. He didn’t shoot a basket nor did he get a rebound, but he put six titles up in this arena. There’s a lot of teams who don’t even have one.”

Krause and MJ had huge egos that only grew with each championship, but I'd argue Krause took the higher road more often than not because he had to hold it in while the players made fun of him privately and also to the media. Can you imagine being the boss and having your employees openly mock/bully you for your physique while being wildly successful (perhaps the best) at your profession?

At the end of the day, why can't we just appreciate everyone that contributed to those dynastic Bulls teams?

As a Bulls fan, I have mixed feelings about Krause, as a GM. He brought almost all of his troubles upon himself. Instead of just joining in on the whole dynasty crew's glory, he took it upon himself to want more than that and started discrediting the players, which is obviously always going to go over bad with them.

That being said, he was the GM that orchestrated the 90s teams, so regardless of if you think they could have done it without him, he was there for it and facilitated the moves, so he deserves that respect and recognition. If he was still alive and was there last night to accept the honor and there were some boos, then whatever... People have a right to be upset for basically tearing the team apart instead of seeing how far they could go. When you take into consideration that he passed away 7 years ago, the boos should stop. The applause for him wouldn't have needed to be the loudest, but give the man his due. The sadness/classlessness is compounded when you consider the fact that the man is dead AND his widow is accepting the honor on his behalf, and people are still booing.

Like I and others have said, there was much less booing once they showed his widow on the big screen and people realized who she was, but any booing was pretty unacceptable and people should be embarrassed for doing so.


It just sucks that this and MJ/Pip/Rod's absence are the story lines of what was a very cool night. It was awesome to see the rest of the team back together and swapping stories when some of them haven't seen each other in over 20 years.

[duron]

Do I dare youtube this $hitshow?

[asujbl]

Bulls fans should be absolutely embarrassed

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

As a Bulls fan, I have mixed feelings about Krause, as a GM. He brought almost all of his troubles upon himself. Instead of just joining in on the whole dynasty crew's glory, he took it upon himself to want more than that and started discrediting the players, which is obviously always going to go over bad with them.

That being said, he was the GM that orchestrated the 90s teams, so regardless of if you think they could have done it without him, he was there for it and facilitated the moves, so he deserves that respect and recognition. If he was still alive and was there last night to accept the honor and there were some boos, then whatever... People have a right to be upset for basically tearing the team apart instead of seeing how far they could go. When you take into consideration that he passed away 7 years ago, the boos should stop. The applause for him wouldn't have needed to be the loudest, but give the man his due. The sadness/classlessness is compounded when you consider the fact that the man is dead AND his widow is accepting the honor on his behalf, and people are still booing.

Like I and others have said, there was much less booing once they showed his widow on the big screen and people realized who she was, but any booing was pretty unacceptable and people should be embarrassed for doing so.


It just sucks that this and MJ/Pip/Rod's absence are the story lines of what was a very cool night. It was awesome to see the rest of the team back together and swapping stories when some of them haven't seen each other in over 20 years.

Would have been nice for the Bulls to at least shout out the 95-96 guys by name who were in attendance. Nice seeing Harp, Luc, Buddha, and the rest out there. But yeah, agree that the absence of the Big 3 overshadowed the festivities.

At the end of the day, Krause never got his due. MJ cast him as a villain, and because Krause wasn't beloved by the media, that was that (as an aside, MJ would get roasted for bullying/body shaming his boss today). Yes, Krause famously said "Players and coaches alone don't win championships, organizations do." I find that to be a true statement, but MJ forever took offense to that and never forgave Krause.

Krause had plenty of faults. He had a big ego (partially because he didn't get credit for building championship teams) and he fell in love with the obscure players and coaches he discovered to the detriment of the current players on his teams, like a parent showing favoritism.

But he's easily the most under appreciated GM of any pro sports dynasty. His positive contributions to the 90s Bulls far outweigh the negatives. I will always cheer for him, I'm glad he has a banner in the rafters, and while I'm not a huge Reinsdorf fan, I'm glad JR has constantly stood up for Krause all these years.

MJ was amazing and was the single greatest catalyst in bringing all those championships to Chicago, but his teammates and the front office also played huge and essential roles in all that winning.

It's sad that after all these years, we can't just look back on that decade with fondness and appreciation, especially after seeing how hard it is to win a single championship, never mind 6 in 8 years.

I sincerely hope Pippen and MJ and all the participants from those glory years can work things out and appreciate each other before anyone else associated with those teams passes away.

[Nomad]

I gotta say if you listen to the video with actual arena noise 4:58 it starts out with boos but ends up with counter cheers, probably loudest of the night.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Would have been nice for the Bulls to at least shout out the 95-96 guys by name who were in attendance. Nice seeing Harp, Luc, Buddha, and the rest out there. But yeah, agree that the absence of the Big 3 overshadowed the festivities.

At the end of the day, Krause never got his due. MJ cast him as a villain, and because Krause wasn't beloved by the media, that was that (as an aside, MJ would get roasted for bullying/body shaming his boss today). Yes, Krause famously said "Players and coaches alone don't win championships, organizations do." I find that to be a true statement, but MJ forever took offense to that and never forgave Krause.

Krause had plenty of faults. He had a big ego (partially because he didn't get credit for building championship teams) and he fell in love with the obscure players and coaches he discovered to the detriment of the current players on his teams, like a parent showing favoritism.

But he's easily the most under appreciated GM of any pro sports dynasty. His positive contributions to the 90s Bulls far outweigh the negatives. I will always cheer for him, I'm glad he has a banner in the rafters, and while I'm not a huge Reinsdorf fan, I'm glad JR has constantly stood up for Krause all these years.

MJ was amazing and was the single greatest catalyst in bringing all those championships to Chicago, but his teammates and the front office also played huge and essential roles in all that winning.

It's sad that after all these years, we can't just look back on that decade with fondness and appreciation, especially after seeing how hard it is to win a single championship, never mind 6 in 8 years.

I sincerely hope Pippen and MJ and all the participants from those glory years can work things out and appreciate each other before anyone else associated with those teams passes away.

I'd be extrememly shocked if Jordan and Pippen are ever ok. Their problems were all brought on by Pippen and Jordan is a pro at holding a grudge, so I see this being the new normal.

And I totally agree that I wish they would have announced the players and coaches of the 96 team that were there. What other assistants were there? I saw Jim Cleamons.

[NBAicons]

It's ridiculous that the Chicago Bulls still have not retired Dennis Rodman's jersey number 91. I don't blame him for not showing up. Honestly, that ceremony was an embarrassment to the Bulls and the league.

[Asian62150]

Originally Posted by NBAicons

It's ridiculous that the Chicago Bulls still have not retired Dennis Rodman's jersey number 91. I don't blame him for not showing up. Honestly, that ceremony was an embarrassment to the Bulls and the league.

Rodman was only a Bull for 3 years.

Before they retire his jersey they should probably retire Horace Grant's #54.