What card(s) PEAKED higher than 1985 Topps McGwire in 1998?

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Here you go, from July 1995 Beckett.

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What’s going on with ‘92 Donruss Update? The Kenny Lofton looks like it was shooting toward triple figures.


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[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

What’s going on with ‘92 Donruss Update? The Kenny Lofton looks like it was shooting toward triple figures.


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only in certain factory sets. and you only get like three update cards per factory set.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

What’s going on with ‘92 Donruss Update? The Kenny Lofton looks like it was shooting toward triple figures.


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[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

only in certain factory sets. and you only get like three update cards per factory set.

I vaguely remember that part. But I just don’t recall the prices getting too crazy.


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[Canthardlymiss1]

Much appreciated for the snapshots….I remember every time I had the chance to afford a 92 bowman pack, the excitement that took over with the possibility of soo many chances at a $5.00 and up card! That Frank Thomas Fool though!


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[rms13]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

This is a common misconception. Beckett wasn’t providing prices they “thought” cards should sell for. They were providing a range of what cards sold for. The Beckett Hi price just means that some dummy bought a particular card that high or that cards were being sold in a range. Most dealers used that Hi to set the market and come down off of that number. “30% off Beckett Hi” or whatever. It was reporting their research. Which in the pre-eBay world was very helpful.

How was Beckett or any other price guide getting sales data to determine range of price cards sold for in the 80s and 90s? It had to be a very small sample set. I just always figured they were using some made up formula.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by rms13

How was Beckett or any other price guide getting sales data to determine range of price cards sold for in the 80s and 90s? It had to be a very small sample set. I just always figured they were using some made up formula.

I've seen interviews where Dr. Jim Beckett describes scouring the country with a network of people gathering sales data from shops and shows. It was supposedly actual sales data, and not a small sample size.

[MoreToppsPlease]

The price guides themselves describe themselves the methodologies they supposedly employ.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I've seen interviews where Dr. Jim Beckett describes scouring the country with a network of people gathering sales data from shops and shows. It was supposedly actual sales data, and not a small sample size.

He had such influence over the industry with his ability to set market values -- crazy.

Even now, the arrows on the price guides are compelling stuff -- fun times.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

He had such influence over the industry with his ability to set market values -- crazy.

Even now, the arrows on the price guides are compelling stuff -- fun times.

Yeah, someone without integrity could really manipulate the market in that position. Fortunately, from everything I've seen, Dr. Beckett was and is a man of honesty and integrity. That said, you also don't tend to garner the trust and reputation he had in those days if you haven't already demonstrated you are a person of integrity.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

What’s going on with ‘92 Donruss Update? The Kenny Lofton looks like it was shooting toward triple figures.


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That is still a very sought-after card, especially in high grade. Many feel Kenny Lofton is an overlooked Hall of Famer and that would be one of his best rookie-related cards, despite not being a true rookie.

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by rms13

How was Beckett or any other price guide getting sales data to determine range of price cards sold for in the 80s and 90s? It had to be a very small sample set. I just always figured they were using some made up formula.

I was a “regional correspondent” in Toronto for Beckett Hockey in the late 90s/early 00s. We were given lists and went around shows asking dealers pricing on those cards and then coupled with eBay sales and whatever else they used, Beckett came up with their pricing.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by 88horsepower

That is still a very sought-after card, especially in high grade. Many feel Kenny Lofton is an overlooked Hall of Famer and that would be one of his best rookie-related cards, despite not being a true rookie.

I knew it was THE Lofton card, I just didn’t realize it hadn’t gotten that high back then.

I had so much hope for the Leaf Gold Rookies… (I still say it’s best-looking card from that time, for Lofton, Bagwell, Mussina, etc.)


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[smapdi]

OJ Simpson's rookie was selling for $500 around the third week of June, 1994.

[DMACcollector]

Very first single I ever bought was the 85 Maguire Team USA. Paid $10 for it at the swap meet in Santa Fe Springs, CA in 1988 at age 11. I used to love going there to see the 3-4 dealers that had spaces. I remember them selling packs of 89 UD for $5 a piece, which was bonkers at that time because most packs sold for less than $1. I also remember getting ripped off by the dealers there that sold the “Broder” cards. Basically unlicensed gold border cards with one year of stats on the back. And who can forget the Ken Griffey Jr. San Bernardino Spirit minor league cards that were going for $10.

[junkwaxgems]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I vaguely remember that part. But I just don’t recall the prices getting too crazy.


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I remember people were opening the cello wrap on the sets at Sav-On (and other retail outlets) and pulling the 4-card packs out.

To this day, it is a tough set to complete and very tough to find mint copies (due to the wrap).

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Yeah, someone without integrity could really manipulate the market in that position. Fortunately, from everything I've seen, Dr. Beckett was and is a man of honesty and integrity. That said, you also don't tend to garner the trust and reputation he had in those days if you haven't already demonstrated you are a person of integrity.

And they did. Some people got together in late 1998 or 1999 and conspired to artificially inflate 1991 Bowman. Boxes started to dry up, raise in "value" and then you started seeing tons of up arrows in Beckett for the singles. I dont recall how it was revealed but sometime after, word got out that it had been an intentional thing.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by rms13

How was Beckett or any other price guide getting sales data to determine range of price cards sold for in the 80s and 90s? It had to be a very small sample set. I just always figured they were using some made up formula.

Lots of dealer input along with collector feedback. There was no internet or email back then so physical mail was how info traveled. It was slow but it still worked. Each issue also had reader feedbacks forms like below.

[ReggieBush22]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Yeah, someone without integrity could really manipulate the market in that position. Fortunately, from everything I've seen, Dr. Beckett was and is a man of honesty and integrity. That said, you also don't tend to garner the trust and reputation he had in those days if you haven't already demonstrated you are a person of integrity.

Yes, Mr. Beckett was literally the man back then and yeah, his reputation always seemed to be solid with the best interest of the hobby in mind.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

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I like how Patty Mahomes rc use to be only about $0.15

[PuddleMonkey]

Mid 80's to early 90's Beckett was the go to, no respectable person was using TuffStuff as a price guide.

[Nostalgia]

Klesko cards were hot for a while.

[WillBBC]

Originally Posted by ReggieBush22

Indeed.

It's funny how certain players that no one today knows about was the talk of the hobby for a stretch in a moment in time.

People don't believe me when I tell them Jose Cruz, Jr. was considered can't miss and the guy you wanted 20 some odd years ago!

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

I like how Patty Mahomes rc use to be only about $0.15

They didn’t… but sure… whatever helps your post

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by asujbl

They didn’t… but sure… whatever helps your post

Correct. If you look at that Beckett photo, the Pat Mahomes RC was $0.60, not $0.15.

(Hint: it's in 1992 Topps)

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Correct. If you look at that Beckett photo, the Pat Mahomes RC was $0.60, not $0.15.

(Hint: it's in 1992 Topps)

You’re clever

I’ll eat my crow as lame as your post was

You are correct