Value of YG Variations

[AVirk51]

Hey all,

I just got back into collecting a few years ago, and only do flagship in terms of S1 and S2 (and I guess Extended now).

Obviously understand the values in terms of pulling an Exclusive or a High Gloss and all the new parallels in 23-24.

However, what I was wondering was is there any value in Silver Foils, the Speckled cards, as well as the Clear Cut YG's. Also, how about Printing Plates? Do they have any value, especially for the YG Canvas cards?

Thanks in advance.

[KnucklePuckTime]

No hard rule, just have to check eBay completed listings to get a sense on a per player basis.

[The_Reverend]

No hard rule. I collect Kirill Kaprizov and from a PSA 10 standpoint,

Base 120-150
Silver 500-600
Speckled 3,000-4,000

[CanadianKid]

UD has followed the #'d/parallel craze of late but general rule of thumb, base yg move easier and more frequently. Even though french or canvas are harder hits they tend to be viewed as parallels of the base rc yg. That makes it an interesting topic among the purest and value. What was never in debate was the high gloss or exclusives /10 /100 they are grails of the yg....

Now with multiple #'d and shiney cards getting pumped out the run to give greater value makes sense but the more affordable, widely seen as first good rc (base yg) will always move easier or more widely.

Just ask yourself what your goal is but if ore liquidity and larger buyer pool is what you want, stick to base yg.

[AVirk51]

Thanks all...I guess specifically what I'm wondering is when it comes to silvers/speckleds, is it better to just buy them raw or PSA 10's....get the sense that they obviously don't move as easily as base YG 10's do....but it seems like they are harder to grade anyways....so perhaps will still hold value in the future if it's one of the bigger guys in the sport.

Also, do those Retro YG's that have been coming out the last few years have any value...again, specifically the HG/Exclusives in this case?

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by AVirk51

Thanks all...I guess specifically what I'm wondering is when it comes to silvers/speckleds, is it better to just buy them raw or PSA 10's....get the sense that they obviously don't move as easily as base YG 10's do....but it seems like they are harder to grade anyways....so perhaps will still hold value in the future if it's one of the bigger guys in the sport.

Also, do those Retro YG's that have been coming out the last few years have any value...again, specifically the HG/Exclusives in this case?

This year will be far different when it comes to silver and speckle, especially around Bedard. Will people really burn 15 Bedard YG’s to make one speckle? I don’t think the one speckle will equal the value of 15 YG.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

This year will be far different when it comes to silver and speckle, especially around Bedard. Will people really burn 15 Bedard YG’s to make one speckle? I don’t think the one speckle will equal the value of 15 YG.

Red Outburst /25 seems like a nice add. I picked up a Coronado. The Hughes are selling for nice pricing.

[brettmik59]

Remains to be seen what the long term value of the new variations will be. I would stick mostly to base, exclusives, HG, and acetate as they have longer history. Hockey collectors like to stick with the tried and true.

[JohnnyAppleseed]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

This year will be far different when it comes to silver and speckle, especially around Bedard. Will people really burn 15 Bedard YG’s to make one speckle? I don’t think the one speckle will equal the value of 15 YG.

It'll make them much more scarce.

[CanadianKid]

Originally Posted by JohnnyAppleseed

It'll make them much more scarce.

Rick from Pawn Stars " rare doesn't always mean valuable".

Scarce yes, more valuable than the common multiple... meh

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by brettmik59

Remains to be seen what the long term value of the new variations will be. I would stick mostly to base, exclusives, HG, and acetate as they have longer history. Hockey collectors like to stick with the tried and true.

This is so true. There are some amazing and rarer true RC cards in hockey, but the most liquid continue to be those you mentioned. Hockey is very different than the other sports where collectors glamour for the parallels.

[reddragonthe]

which makes Upper Decks move to more and more product printed and a couple more parallels interesting... YGs have been the most consistent "go to" even as modern has been all over the map in other sports in the last 20 years.

With even more out there, does it cause a deference to something else or a drop in perception?

Does the increase in volume require casuals who will create more of a preference fro the parallels?

Is this just a "shot across the bow" by UD and next year we get /100 /250 /500 outbursts?

Do they skip the outburst thing next year and go to "in bursts" or something else?

I think they maintain their spot, personally, but we are in a different landscape this year. And next year w/o Bedard... who eats all that extra cardboard they'll print?

[bryan2points]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

UD has followed the #'d/parallel craze of late but general rule of thumb, base yg move easier and more frequently. Even though french or canvas are harder hits they tend to be viewed as parallels of the base rc yg. That makes it an interesting topic among the purest and value. What was never in debate was the high gloss or exclusives /10 /100 they are grails of the yg....

Now with multiple #'d and shiney cards getting pumped out the run to give greater value makes sense but the more affordable, widely seen as first good rc (base yg) will always move easier or more widely.

Just ask yourself what your goal is but if ore liquidity and larger buyer pool is what you want, stick to base yg.

Couldn't agree more! Exclusives and High Gloss are the YG grails.

[WillyC]

IMO, Upper Deck has officially killed the base Young Gun… the red burst /25 and deluxe /250 are the new Rookie cards to go with exclusives /100 and HG /10.

20 years from now… Young Guns will be similar to today’s junk wax rookies.

[anusinha]

I like the look of the outbursts but they don't get the premium that you would expect.

[bryan2points]

I feel like the hockey rookies that will always be staples because of their long history are; YG hg & exclusives, SP authentic fw auto /999 and The Cup rpa /99. The rest for the most part is now just overkill.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by bryan2points

I feel like the hockey rookies that will always be staples because of their long history are; YG hg & exclusives, SP authentic fw auto and The Cup. The rest for the most part is now just overkill.

This is absolutely true. Most of us know those are the four key RC additions for the vast majority of hockey collectors.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by bryan2points

I feel like the hockey rookies that will always be staples because of their long history are; YG hg & exclusives, SP authentic fw auto and The Cup. The rest for the most part is now just overkill.

Has OPC Platinum earned a spot? Golden Treasure, Emerald Surge, Orange Checkers, Seismic Gold, and Red Prism autos all have strong sales and regular movement. Even the non autos have regular sales for star rookies.

Canvas Young Guns seem to be a lower print run, based on how many end up on the market in general and how few end up graded compared to the base YG. Even if we take into account the lower demand for them, there appears to be just a fraction. As others have noted, scarcity doesn't always translate to demand. I personally only like certain canvas cards for a particular picture on them, but would usually pick the base YG because I like the standard gloss look over the matte finish on the canvas cards. Maybe something will spark interest in the overall market for canvas cards, but that hasn't happened yet.

There seems to be a niche market for printing plates, I don't personally own any or seek them out and I tend to lean towards the fringe tastes in the hobby. I think the fact they're an incomplete image tempers the interest.

[reddragonthe]

OPCP are great. Some really like them.

The Golden Treasures autos are amazing. But they are unicorns... so hard to really pile them in the same discussion. You see for any given one of those - if you ever see them - maybe 1 or 2 transactions of the card. Then buried forever in a collection (appropriately).

The others are shiny and give us a similar version to other sports shiny parallels. Now... once YGs have more parallels of the Outbursts... does that stay the same? Who knows. I believe UD likes profit so we'll continue to see perceived case values attempted to be increased by parallel inflation.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

The others are shiny and give us a similar version to other sports shiny parallels. Now... once YGs have more parallels of the Outbursts... does that stay the same? Who knows. I believe UD likes profit so we'll continue to see perceived case values attempted to be increased by parallel inflation.

We can assume Upper Deck, like all businesses in the history of business, will milk profit from the thing they sell until they kill its appeal.

Looking at Topps and Panini as a guide, we can expect higher print runs, parallels to offset those higher print runs, and likely more flaws. 2021-22 OPC Platinum had an almost comical amount of off centered cards, and it seemed worse for the parallels which are of course the chase cards in the product. So it would seem Upper Deck is already on track to make short term profits at the expense of long term viability. We'll soon see how 2022-23 compares, if they bothered to correct the underlying printing issue or just push out another promising product with poor execution.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by stoopid

We can assume Upper Deck, like all businesses in the history of business, will milk profit from the thing they sell until they kill its appeal.

Looking at Topps and Panini as a guide, we can expect higher print runs, parallels to offset those higher print runs, and likely more flaws. 2021-22 OPC Platinum had an almost comical amount of off centered cards, and it seemed worse for the parallels which are of course the chase cards in the product. So it would seem Upper Deck is already on track to make short term profits at the expense of long term viability. We'll soon see how 2022-23 compares, if they bothered to correct the underlying printing issue or just push out another promising product with poor execution.

2021-22 OPCP was abysmal and why no one opened it in mass.