Am i being scammed?

[cityandcolour]

Originally Posted by Kefka891

It’s scary how simple it is for someone to score a free few thousand bucks.

1. Order something expensive
2. Tell your CC you didn’t
3. Enjoy

Crazy.

Yep, very lucrative if you lack a bit of morals.

[ninjacookies]

Ebay should not be allowing any type of chargebacks for items shown as delivered. That should be covered by their insurance...and they should be the ones in pursuit of recouping the funds through the appropriate parties.

Even if a person goes through their bank/cc issuer if their account was legitimately hacked/compromised (not the case in this scenario), typically it's that entity that covers the loss on their end. The fact that Ebay is supposedly eating the loss is crazy.

The honus needs to be on Ebay in these cases, as the seller has fulfilled their obligations and should not be liable. And if Ebay holds the seller accountable in these extenuating circumstances, they should only do so in cases where the item is able to be delivered back to them.


I suppose this is why 3rd party auction houses exist/grown in popularity, especially for higher end cards. Nobody wants to assume culpability for fraudsters.

[cityandcolour]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Ebay should not be allowing any type of chargebacks for items shown as delivered. That should be covered by their insurance...and they should be the ones in pursuit of recouping the funds through the appropriate parties.

Even if a person goes through their bank/cc issuer if their account was legitimately hacked/compromised (not the case in this scenario), typically it's that entity that covers the loss on their end. The fact that Ebay is supposedly eating the loss is crazy.

The honus needs to be on Ebay in these cases, as the seller has fulfilled their obligations and should not be liable. And if Ebay holds the seller accountable in these extenuating circumstances, they should only do so in cases where the item is able to be delivered back to them.


I suppose this is why 3rd party auction houses exist/grown in popularity, especially for higher end cards. Nobody wants to assume culpability for fraudsters.

Agreed. My argument to them is basically that I've done everything right, but not only do I lose the item because they're not even trying to get it back, but I'll now be financially more worse off significantly simply for selling on eBay because they're taking the money from me too.

They don't seem to care that
1. I gave tracking that shows the item was sent to the address that the buyer gave to ebay.
2. I have a text message from the buyer who tried to say they didn't order the card, yet the chargeback is for not receiving the item.
3. They're basically saying, that once you sell an item, the money isn't yours for approximately 6 months because the buyer can do a chargeback.

Have emptied my bank account and turned off overdrawing. So I'm not making it easy for them to take the money at this stage.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by cityandcolour

Have emptied my bank account and turned off overdrawing. So I'm not making it easy for them to take the money at this stage.

Good on you. Absolutely the right move.

It's entirely possible they try and pursue it through collections, but due to you being overseas it will be basically impossible for them to collect or damage you in any meaningful way. Worst case is they'll probably ban your ebay account and make it difficult for you to use them in the future for selling, though there's always stealth methods to get around that.

Screw them, and screw the people that pulled this garbage. You may want to think about airing them out formally with names/address(es) so that others can put them on block and not allow them to run the scam back.

[Sandberg23]

Originally Posted by cityandcolour

Agreed. My argument to them is basically that I've done everything right, but not only do I lose the item because they're not even trying to get it back, but I'll now be financially more worse off significantly simply for selling on eBay because they're taking the money from me too.

They don't seem to care that
1. I gave tracking that shows the item was sent to the address that the buyer gave to ebay.
2. I have a text message from the buyer who tried to say they didn't order the card, yet the chargeback is for not receiving the item.
3. They're basically saying, that once you sell an item, the money isn't yours for approximately 6 months because the buyer can do a chargeback.

Have emptied my bank account and turned off overdrawing. So I'm not making it easy for them to take the money at this stage.

You can tell your bank that you suspect that your account number has been stolen and you want it renumbered.

[Hobbyboxer]

I’d have closed the bank account. This is absolutely #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@. I’d be continuing to get ahold of different eBay customer service people until I got the answer I’m looking for.

[Gary]

Ebay just looks the other way on CC charge-backs,They just say its out of their control the CC company made the decision.and leave you to deal with the fall out.Sell on ebay long enough it will happen to most sellers.In Ebays defense they cant fight banks,best ebay can do is not allow CC's anymore.that would stop most of the scams and unfortunately most sales also.the blame as another reply stated is with the CC company allowing it to happen.

You can do everything right and still get screwed.That's the sad truth.

[cityandcolour]

Originally Posted by Gary

Ebay just looks the other way on CC charge-backs,They just say its out of their control the CC company made the decision.and leave you to deal with the fall out.Sell on ebay long enough it will happen to most sellers.In Ebays defense they cant fight banks,best ebay can do is not allow CC's anymore.that would stop most of the scams and unfortunately most sales also.the blame as another reply stated is with the CC company allowing it to happen.

You can do everything right and still get screwed.That's the sad truth.

This is essentially what they are saying to me. It's unreal how dodgy it all is.

[CardMaster69]

Originally Posted by cityandcolour

This is essentially what they are saying to me. It's unreal how dodgy it all is.

Dude as a fellow Aussie I love that you used both “unreal” and “dodgy” in the same sentence. I think the Americans will be like “dod-gy. Is that like dodgeball? What does that mean? And why isn’t it real? Janice? Janice! I need this explained for me!”

[deemsterz33]

Not sure if this is useful, but eBay has a number specifically for fraud: 866-961-9253

[bub838]

Originally Posted by CardMaster69

Dude as a fellow Aussie I love that you used both “unreal” and “dodgy” in the same sentence. I think the Americans will be like “dod-gy. Is that like dodgeball? What does that mean? And why isn’t it real? Janice? Janice! I need this explained for me!”

Unreal and dodgy are also in the American vernacular.

[ninjabum87]

Yeah those are both very common words used the exact same way.

[cityandcolour]

Update.

I contacted Australia Post with my tracking info, as eBay asked me to prove I sent it with signature delivery.

They directed me to enter the tracking number via Canada Post website, which shows it was signed for, AND actually has a scan of the signature, by the person who ordered the card.

I've provided eBay plenty of evidence that the person who ordered the card, received the card, contacted me via SMS having got my number from the package to say they don't collect basketball cards.

If eBay still do not cease in their attempt to take the money from me, it is abundantly clear that they actually encourage the buyer to scam sellers.

[cityandcolour]

Also, the buyers account is no longer registered which based on probability means:
A. They deactivated it once the scam was completed, or
B. eBay deactivated it when I told them in December 2023 that the buyer sending me a text message and having 0 feedback made me suspicious of the scam.

[cityandcolour]

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

[rifleman69]

Originally Posted by cityandcolour

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

That's what we like to hear. It's ebay's problem.

[ninjacookies]

Muy bien.

Yes, in these cases...it appears as though you just have to keep on prodding for the right rep that'll finally get it right.


Now please: update your original post with the scammer's information.

[bub838]

Originally Posted by cityandcolour

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

Great news. Sorry you had to go through all of that friction for eBay to do the right thing.

[cityandcolour]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Muy bien.

Yes, in these cases...it appears as though you just have to keep on prodding for the right rep that'll finally get it right.


Now please: update your original post with the scammer's information.

The scammers account had been removed by eBay, but his eBay username was grawa_39

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by cityandcolour

The scammers account had been removed by eBay, but his eBay username was grawa_39

Thank you. Any records of his/her real name or the name they used, and/or the particular city they resided in?

They've most likely created several new accounts, but this might be helpful for future users.

[Sandberg23]

Originally Posted by cityandcolour

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

Great!

[kingofsnake]

Originally Posted by cityandcolour

Final update.

Ebay have now changed their tune and have found in my favour and will not seek the money from me.

I wanna say thanks to all who gave adivce/reached out. It was a lot of work and their willingness to close it off without working with me was certainly frustrating.

Congratulations on the more positive outcome. Sorry that you had to go through so much stress and unhappiness.

[CardMaster69]

Are you going to be able to get your card back?

[CardMaster69]

If not we'll get Albo to declare war on Canada and deploy all those subs we got from the French.

[cityandcolour]

Originally Posted by CardMaster69

Are you going to be able to get your card back?

I wish, purely because the card is a bloody nice one and I hate that it's in the hands of somebody who shouldn't have it. It was paid for though, so if eBay want the money it had to pay their bank, or the card, they can go nuts.

I for one am mentally drained by all of this!