Ohtanis translator fired for stealing

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by vinson24

Fact, Ohtani’s bank account paid an illegal booking ring.

Should be suspended pending investigation, as of right now he should be under investigation as a criminal in California.

This has the chance to lose a lot of people money, would be very nervous if I had a PC of him

So do you PC him? Are you selling his cards right now?

It seems the only people who want him suspended right now are Dodger haters and card collectors that missed the boat on his cards.

Which one are you?

Its interesting...if you are a fan of baseball or baseball card collecting you would think you would want to cheer for Ohtani and that he is innocent until proven guilty.

[sauceboy]

Originally Posted by vinson24

Fact, Ohtani’s bank account paid an illegal booking ring.

Should be suspended pending investigation, as of right now he should be under investigation as a criminal in California.

This is correct. Ohtani's team is now trying to make it seem like Ippei stole the money and was the one who made the bank transfers. If they can somehow prove this, Ohtani might get off the hook. It's a pretty ridiculous claim, though.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

There's two separate things, the legal ramifications and the mlb ramifications. If Ohtani never admits to placing bets, and the feds don't prosecute him than nothing will happen to him mlb wise. Frankly, I can't see mlb suspending him unless the feds go after him.

Which once again leads me back to saying "rules for thee and not for me." Trevor Bauer admitted to no wrong doing and the prosecutor choose not to prosecute him, but he was still suspended for 194 games in the end after the arbitrator cut the original suspension.

[DioBrando]

Originally Posted by vinson24

This has the chance to lose a lot of people money, would be very nervous if I had a PC of him

You love to see it

[discostu]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Which once again leads me back to saying "rules for thee and not for me." Trevor Bauer admitted to no wrong doing and the prosecutor choose not to prosecute him, but he was still suspended for 194 games in the end after the arbitrator cut the original suspension.

These situations are in no way related, but feel free to bring it up again.

[sauceboy]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

It seems the only people who want him suspended right now are Dodger haters and card collectors that missed the boat on his cards.

You didn't ask this of me, but I'll throw this out here:

I own zero Ohtani cards. However, I'm an enormous fan of his. The last thing I want to see happen is Ohtani getting suspended or potentially never playing a game in MLB again. He is an absolute joy to watch play and is a driving force in the popularity of the game now and going forward. However, I'm trying to be realistic about this situation, given what we do know. People like to speculate. There are also people who like to see others suffer (particularly successful ones), whether it be Ohtani himself or those who have invested thousands of dollars in his cards.

[jplarson]

He should retire, join the Lakers G-League team, then come back a year later wearing #34 and help the Dodgers dominate during a pennant run. During the playoffs, switch back to #17.

Swish, home run, boom.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

This is correct. Ohtani's team is now trying to make it seem like Ippei stole the money and was the one who made the bank transfers. If they can somehow prove this, Ohtani might get off the hook. It's a pretty ridiculous claim, though.

I've seen far more ridiculous things be true in criminal cases. How about you let it play out before rushing to judgment.

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by discostu

These situations are in no way related, but feel free to bring it up again.

A possible crime was committed in both instances. They are the same, although no one in Trevor's case tried to change the story like Ohtani's reps seem to be doing. And it comes down 100% to treating all players in the league and union the same. With every rumor of other possible crimes committed, especially domestic violence, MLB investigates and immediately suspends the player or puts them on leave. I guarantee you if this was Orlando Cabrera on the Yankees, he'd be sitting at home right now and the MLB would be investigating!

[Bcr]

Ohtani has been the best thing to happen to baseball in a long time. Card collector or not I don't want him to fail because I love baseball.

[Funkster]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

You didn't ask this of me, but I'll throw this out here:

I own zero Ohtani cards. However, I'm an enormous fan of his. The last thing I want to see happen is Ohtani getting suspended or potentially never playing a game in MLB again. He is an absolute joy to watch play and is a driving force in the popularity of the game now and going forward. However, I'm trying to be realistic about this situation, given what we do know. People like to speculate. There are also people who like to see others suffer (particularly successful ones), whether it be Ohtani himself or those who have invested thousands of dollars in his cards.

This is where I’m at, but I find it strange to see people leaping to his defense as if he isn’t a human capable of poor judgement or making bad choices. The possibility does exist that he isn’t perfect.


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[vinson24]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

So do you PC him? Are you selling his cards right now?

It seems the only people who want him suspended right now are Dodger haters and card collectors that missed the boat on his cards.

Which one are you?

Its interesting...if you are a fan of baseball or baseball card collecting you would think you would want to cheer for Ohtani and that he is innocent until proven guilty.

No don’t have a card of his

I’ll I’m stating is the facts that we know. Don’t have anything against the Dodgers.


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[JRX]

Whatever you think of him, Craig Carton knows this world and is more than familiar with the process to wire large amounts of money around and he seems pretty confident that there is no way a bank would send the wire without Ohtani personally signing off on it.

[sauceboy]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Ohtani has been the best thing to happen to baseball in a long time. Card collector or not I don't want him to fail because I love baseball.

Amen.

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I've seen far more ridiculous things be true in criminal cases. How about you let it play out before rushing to judgment.

But Ippei already said that Ohtani fronted him the money? Why would he lie about that?

[Triple B]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

It would be great if everyone that responds in this thread was transparent with their opinion. Do you have Ohtani cards/collect Ohtani and what is your opinion of all this (ie. do you think Ohtani was gambling on baseball). I will go first.

Ohtani is my number 1 PC and I have a pretty large (and somewhat expensive collection).

I personally do not believe Ohtani gambled on baseball...but probably is guilty of paying off his interpreter's illegal gambling debts.

What about everyone else?

I have NO Ohtani cards (sold my Transcendent RC late last year) and I 100% believe he gambled and his interpreter is taking the fall.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

Amen.



But Ippei already said that Ohtani fronted him the money? Why would he lie about that?

Because people lie?

Again, jumping to conclusions based on your own reasoning with limited facts is a bad idea. People have their own motivations for their actions, and we can't try to understand them until we know all the circumstances.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying we don't know and your conclusions are built on an awful lot of assumptions and speculation.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

Amen.



But Ippei already said that Ohtani fronted him the money? Why would he lie about that?

Why would someone accused of fraud lie? Really?

[JRX]

I have refractors of both chrome updates and I don't see how this was just the interpreter making bets. He wasn't just a guy hired by the team to interpret for Ohtani, they were attached at the hip.

[seanrs1]

Originally Posted by Triple B

I have NO Ohtani cards (sold my Transcendent RC late last year) and I 100% believe he gambled and his interpreter is taking the fall.

You think he gambled on baseball and he will be suspended for life? I think this would be a bad outcome for both Ohtani and baseball.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by JRX

I have refractors of both chrome updates and I don't see how this was just the interpreter making bets. He wasn't just a guy hired by the team to interpret for Ohtani, they were attached at the hip.

So you don't see someone very close to someone immensely wealthy tasked with translating English into Japanese may have you know, sat in on some financial meetings and been privy to sensitive financial data?

[sauceboy]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Because people lie?

Again, jumping to conclusions based on your own reasoning with limited facts is a bad idea. People have their own motivations for their actions, and we can't try to understand them until we know all the circumstances.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying we don't know and your conclusions are built on an awful lot of assumptions and speculation.

This is fair.

Just to reiterate, it's hard for me to turn a blind eye to the fact that Ippei was first given a platform to speak by the Dodgers. He said Ohtani helped him pay off his gambling debt, seemingly not realizing that Ohtani helping him in this way was illegal. As soon as this all went down, Ohtani's team immediately stepped in, stated that there would be no further comment, and later made a claim that Ippei stole Ohtani's money. It's all just such a bizarre sequence of events.

Originally Posted by atk825

Why would someone accused of fraud lie? Really?

It's pretty clear to me that you hear about Ippei's statement, which predated any of the "Ippei stole Ohtani's money" narrative that was pushed out by Dodgers PR. Ippei took full accountability for his actions. He said not to blame Shohei, then just seemingly let it slip that Shohei was the one who helped him pay off his gambling debt. By all accounts, he accidentally implicated his friend in the process.

[SaveMeTheGum]

They didn't suspend a single Astro for the cheating scandal even though Altuve was wearing a wired device on camera. This will get swept under the rug. Baseball doesn't want the heat. The players association doesn't want the heat. The gambling industry doesn't want the heat. This shouldn't go away, but it will.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by atk825

So you don't see someone very close to someone immensely wealthy tasked with translating English into Japanese may have you know, sat in on some financial meetings and been privy to sensitive financial data?

The complete 180 change in stories over 24hrs makes me think the original story is the true one.

[fishepa]

There is no way Ohtani could have not know this guy was supposedly stealing millions of his dollars and gambling.

[base set]

The Athletic has a fresh new piece on this up right now. Not paywalled via Apple News but I couldn’t find a similar way to read it via browser. That might exist though.

The story reports that Ohtani wired to the bookie directly - rather than giving it to Mizuhara - because he was concerned that Mizuhara would just blow it on more gambling instead.

Also reports the name of the bookie, who is a target of an ongoing Federal investigation, though the Feds have not yet contacted MLB.

The entire Dodgers organization up to CEO and Owner are/were all in Korea together when this broke.