Ohtanis translator fired for stealing

[imbluestreak23]

It's interesting how as this thread evolves, the Shohaters have had to change their stance as to how they are suppose to "hate" Shohei.

"He gambled on beisbol. Pete Rose him!"

"ugh, no evidence of that sir."

"4.5M, he's hiding something!"

"But nobody is claiming he bet on anything. Lawyers are concerned over wire fraud."

"oh...right...yeah. He sent money through the wires illegally! Burn him at the stake!"

It's fascinating to watch the reactions morph

[discostu]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

A possible crime was committed in both instances. They are the same, although no one in Trevor's case tried to change the story like Ohtani's reps seem to be doing. And it comes down 100% to treating all players in the league and union the same. With every rumor of other possible crimes committed, especially domestic violence, MLB investigates and immediately suspends the player or puts them on leave. I guarantee you if this was Orlando Cabrera on the Yankees, he'd be sitting at home right now and the MLB would be investigating!

Again, they are not the same.

Continuing to equate the two shows that you don't understand either story as we know it, the policies involved, or both.

But feel free to bring it up again.

[Flamethrower]

Buy the dip!

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by sauceboy

This is fair.

Just to reiterate, it's hard for me to turn a blind eye to the fact that Ippei was first given a platform to speak by the Dodgers. He said Ohtani helped him pay off his gambling debt, seemingly not realizing that Ohtani helping him in this way was illegal. As soon as this all went down, Ohtani's team immediately stepped in, stated that there would be no further comment, and later made a claim that Ippei stole Ohtani's money. It's all just such a bizarre sequence of events.

I understand the logic behind your conclusion based on what we know. But people aren't always logical. It's entirely possible Ippei thought that making up a story about Ohtani helping him was better than the truth, not realizing the truth was better than his lie. Again, not saying that's what happened, just that waiting for facts isn't turning a blind eye. It's recognizing there could be more facts that make our initial suspicions or assumptions illogical.

[Oriole Way]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

They didn't suspend a single Astro for the cheating scandal even though Altuve was wearing a wired device on camera. This will get swept under the rug. Baseball doesn't want the heat. The players association doesn't want the heat. The gambling industry doesn't want the heat. This shouldn't go away, but it will.

Players cheating and breaking MLB rules is a completely different situation than someone allegedly breaking state or federal laws. People like you thinking MLB and MLBPA has any control whatsoever over legal repercussions of potential bank wire crimes are just exercising wishful thinking.

[beanman25]

Shohei is awesome, and still the best and most entertaining baseball player. Just play ball.

Astros were allowed to cheat in plain sight.

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by base set

The story reports that Ohtani wired to the bookie directly -.

This should be easy to prove, and a potential smoking gun ~ unless there’s a coordinated coverup to make this not easy to prove…..

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by Oriole Way

Players cheating and breaking MLB rules is a completely different situation than someone allegedly breaking state or federal laws. People like you thinking MLB and MLBPA has any control whatsoever over legal repercussions of potential bank wire crimes are just exercising wishful thinking.

Right, because money never allows people to get out of legal trouble?

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by discostu

Again, they are not the same.

Continuing to equate the two shows that you don't understand either story as we know it, the policies involved, or both.

But feel free to bring it up again.

Fell free to explain it since you think you are so smart. There is the possibility that Ohtani violated a Federal law. Bauer violated a state law. Yes, his was domestic violence related and the players union gave up all semblance of any defense over this because of the outrage of that type of crime. Ohtani's has to do with gambling which is baseball's cardinal sin. Both should be investigated and held to the same standard by MLB. Anything else, it is not fair to the fans and not fair to the union membership, AKA the players.

[JRX]

These are the options as I see it

1. Ohtani was knowingly betting through Ippei with an illegal bookie on all sports including baseball
2. Ohtani was knowingly betting through Ippei with an illegal bookie on all sports but not baseball
3. Ohtani was knowingly betting, but didn't know Ippei was betting with an illegal bookie
4. Ohtani wasn't betting, but was bailing out Ippei and knew it was an illegal bookie
5. Ohtani wasn't betting, but was bailing out Ippei and didn't know it was an illegal bookie
6. Ohtani wasn't betting, and Ippei was stealing from him, falsifying wire transfers that the bank never checked with Othani on

Some people seem to be on 6, but that just seems absurd to me given the original interview. Right now I'm more on 2 or 3. I just don't see Ippei getting down 5M on his own and even if he did that's a huge issue for mlb as he's in meetings, he's in the clubhouse, he could easily be pressed for information etc.

[Giroux]

[rms13]

I'm amazed that the Dodgers and Ohtani's camp let the interpreter talk to the media. He was clearly trying to go out of his way to say Ohtani wasn't gambling but in trying to convince people of that he said a lot of things that implicate Ohtani in activities that are illegal and against MLB policies

[sauceboy]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I understand the logic behind your conclusion based on what we know. But people aren't always logical. It's entirely possible Ippei thought that making up a story about Ohtani helping him was better than the truth, not realizing the truth was better than his lie. Again, not saying that's what happened, just that waiting for facts isn't turning a blind eye. It's recognizing there could be more facts that make our initial suspicions or assumptions illogical.

Touché. This is a good point.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

Fell free to explain it since you think you are so smart. There is the possibility that Ohtani violated a Federal law. Bauer violated a state law. Yes, his was domestic violence related and the players union gave up all semblance of any defense over this because of the outrage of that type of crime. Ohtani's has to do with gambling which is baseball's cardinal sin. Both should be investigated and held to the same standard by MLB. Anything else, it is not fair to the fans and not fair to the union membership, AKA the players.

It may not be fair, but it's collectively bargained for. The domestic violence policy under the CBA (that the players agreed to) has very different procedures than other allegations of misconduct.

[jhssketchcards]

Question: Why would this guy have access to any of Ohtanis money? I’d be curious to hear from the agent. To me the only other person able to authorize any money transferred in that amount would be the agent.


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[cspaced25]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

It's interesting how as this thread evolves, the Shohaters have had to change their stance as to how they are suppose to "hate" Shohei.

"He gambled on beisbol. Pete Rose him!"

"ugh, no evidence of that sir."

"4.5M, he's hiding something!"

"But nobody is claiming he bet on anything. Lawyers are concerned over wire fraud."

"oh...right...yeah. He sent money through the wires illegally! Burn him at the stake!"

It's fascinating to watch the reactions morph

I'm dying over the people that think they are absolutely right (regardless of what side they are on truth\denial\coverup\he did it!\he had to of known!\just a good friend) and think they know it all already based on the little information that has filtered out.

The only thing I know (and hope is true. Planning on retiring on my 3 Ohtani Donruss RC's), MLB needs Ohtani to actually be legally innocent in it.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Question: Why would this guy have access to any of Ohtanis money? I’d be curious to hear from the agent. To me the only other person able to authorize any money transferred in that amount would be the agent.


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Wait until you hear how fraud works.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by JRX

These are the options as I see it

1. Ohtani was knowingly betting through Ippei with an illegal bookie on all sports including baseball
2. Ohtani was knowingly betting through Ippei with an illegal bookie on all sports but not baseball
3. Ohtani was knowingly betting, but didn't know Ippei was betting with an illegal bookie
4. Ohtani wasn't betting, but was bailing out Ippei and knew it was an illegal bookie
5. Ohtani wasn't betting, but was bailing out Ippei and didn't know it was an illegal bookie
6. Ohtani wasn't betting, and Ippei was stealing from him, falsifying wire transfers that the bank never checked with Othani on

Some people seem to be on 6, but that just seems absurd to me given the original interview. Right now I'm more on 2 or 3. I just don't see Ippei getting down 5M on his own and even if he did that's a huge issue for mlb as he's in meetings, he's in the clubhouse, he could easily be pressed for information etc.

I lean towards 2 & 3 as well, with the real possibility that Ohtani was betting on his own games, in which case, if proven, he should immediately be banned from baseball and stripped of any individual accolades he accumulated in the MLB since those could be considered tainted.

[rms13]

Originally Posted by beanman25

Shohei is awesome, and still the best and most entertaining baseball player. Just play ball.

Astros were allowed to cheat in plain sight.

That's how I feel about Rose, Shoeless Joe, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire etc but that a not the precedent that MLB, the media and HOF voters have set so I do think they need to consistent

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by JRX

These are the options as I see it

1. Ohtani was knowingly betting through Ippei with an illegal bookie on all sports including baseball
2. Ohtani was knowingly betting through Ippei with an illegal bookie on all sports but not baseball
3. Ohtani was knowingly betting, but didn't know Ippei was betting with an illegal bookie
4. Ohtani wasn't betting, but was bailing out Ippei and knew it was an illegal bookie
5. Ohtani wasn't betting, but was bailing out Ippei and didn't know it was an illegal bookie
6. Ohtani wasn't betting, and Ippei was stealing from him, falsifying wire transfers that the bank never checked with Othani on

Some people seem to be on 6, but that just seems absurd to me given the original interview. Right now I'm more on 2 or 3. I just don't see Ippei getting down 5M on his own and even if he did that's a huge issue for mlb as he's in meetings, he's in the clubhouse, he could easily be pressed for information etc.

I desperately want to believe in #5 for the good of the game.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by atk825

Wait until you hear how fraud works.

Then Ohtani is an idiot for not knowing where that much money missing. This is exactly why many of these guys go broke despite making huge $$$. I’ve listened to many pro players across several sports talk about how they routinely check up in where there money is at and see accounts.


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[Twalk1975]

Originally Posted by seanrs1

So do you PC him? Are you selling his cards right now?

It seems the only people who want him suspended right now are Dodger haters and card collectors that missed the boat on his cards.

Which one are you?

Its interesting...if you are a fan of baseball or baseball card collecting you would think you would want to cheer for Ohtani and that he is innocent until proven guilty.

I own like 15-20. Ohtani cards, including some rookie SSP stuff. I'm fairly certain he knowingly sent the wire transfers. Whether to cover his own losses, or Ippei's I don't know. I expect him to be suspended maybe 25-30 games, but that's just a guess. I like the cards, so don't plan on selling them. I might pick up some others that I've wanted if any deals show up.

[majestik101]

Originally Posted by fulltritty

I desperately want to believe in #5 for the good of the game.

#5 doesn't pass the Occam's Razor smell test

[fulltritty]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

It may not be fair, but it's collectively bargained for. The domestic violence policy under the CBA (that the players agreed to) has very different procedures than other allegations of misconduct.

I figured this is what it pertains to, but I find it hard to believe that if a player's name is leaked being linked to a Federal investigation, especially about baseball's #1 cardinal sin that ruined Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose, that MLB should be able to investigate that under the CBA.

[atk825]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

Then Ohtani is an idiot for not knowing where that much money missing. This is exactly why many of these guys go broke despite making huge $$$. I’ve listened to many pro players across several sports talk about how they routinely check up in where there money is at and see accounts.


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Once again, it's fairly common for someone to not be actively monitoring their bank account(s). Unless something bounces, it's pretty simple for there to be transactions that don't get noticed even by people with pretty modest means. Like you know all those commercials for products promising to unsubscribe you from all the stuff you forgot you subscribed to? Those exist for a reason...because people forget and don't notice the transactions. Yes, this has a few more zeroes attached, but if it's not draining the account, many people, even smart people won't pay attention.