Where does Kaprizov Fit in the Hobby & NHL Going Forward?

[Inferno]

Really good player, someone who would be really fun to watch and collect, but his prices will only go down from here IMO. I don’t see any individual awards or team awards in his future.

And Bedard alone is going to siphon so much money away from other players as his real cards start coming out that a lot of these guys are going to suffer even more. The gap between the top tier guys - McDavid, Bedard, Crosby - and everybody else is going to widen. If you’re not a GOAT or a generational Canadian phenom there is only so much money to go around.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Really good player, someone who would be really fun to watch and collect, but his prices will only go down from here IMO. I don’t see any individual awards or team awards in his future.

And Bedard alone is going to siphon so much money away from other players as his real cards start coming out that a lot of these guys are going to suffer even more. The gap between the top tier guys - McDavid, Bedard, Crosby - and everybody else is going to widen. If you’re not a GOAT or a generational Canadian phenom there is only so much money to go around.

Sadly this is the macro conditions for the hockey collecting 'market' moving forward, possibly for the next few years. We've already seen it started about 18 months ago with money spent for the 70s, 80s, and 90s cards consolidating around Orr, Jagr, Lemieux, Gretzky, Brodeur, Bourque, and Yzerman. That leaves a lot of good but not great players, including many Hall of Famers, declining in collector value.

[valleynuckfan]

Originally Posted by stoopid

Sadly this is the macro conditions for the hockey collecting 'market' moving forward, possibly for the next few years. We've already seen it started about 18 months ago with money spent for the 70s, 80s, and 90s cards consolidating around Orr, Jagr, Lemieux, Gretzky, Brodeur, Bourque, and Yzerman. That leaves a lot of good but not great players, including many Hall of Famers, declining in collector value.

Throw in guys like Sakic, Selanne, Forsberg, Bure, Lindros, Messier, Bossy, etc. etc. and so many of collector's PCs already contain a lot of the key and more rare cards. Go back further to Lafleur, Clarke, Esposito, Hull, Dryden.
Younger collectors to the hobby don't care so much about these guys so there is less demand and therefore better value pricing out there.
Those that collect star veterans get some pretty good deals all things considered. Breaking even on resale is about as good as it gets investment wise.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

Throw in guys like Sakic, Selanne, Forsberg, Bure, Lindros, Messier, Bossy, etc. etc. and so many of collector's PCs already contain a lot of the key and more rare cards. Go back further to Lafleur, Clarke, Esposito, Hull, Dryden.
Younger collectors to the hobby don't care so much about these guys so there is less demand and therefore better value pricing out there.
Those that collect star veterans get some pretty good deals all things considered. Breaking even on resale is about as good as it gets investment wise.

I like how you said collectors because that is key to any player. Pick the sport and HOF players cards can be found at much cheaper prices than current players. Cal Ripken is a great example, as is players like Aikman or Emmitt. Their cards, even graded rookies sell below current “maybe” HOF players. If a person collects first and the player happens to go up great. If not, more times than not, if they are a star with lots of fans, like Kaprizov, the cards will not go to zero.

[Positively4thSt]

Doesn't officially qualify until 200 career goals, but currently 15th all-time in goals per game (0.55).

[kluke84]

I think Kirill reminds me the most of Jeremy Roenick in his prime. I think he will hover top 20 in pts and top 10-15 in goals for several years down the road. Still love his game and pricing has corrected close to where it should be now. Room to grow.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by kluke84

I think Kirill reminds me the most of Jeremy Roenick in his prime. I think he will hover top 20 in pts and top 10-15 in goals for several years down the road. Still love his game and pricing has corrected close to where it should be now. Room to grow.

The correction let me get this for $655 so I am happy to add to my collection.

[kluke84]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

The correction let me get this for $655 so I am happy to add to my collection.

Awesome card! Ultimate is such a hard one to get a good grade, the BGS 8.5 pops.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by kluke84

Awesome card! Ultimate is such a hard one to get a good grade, the BGS 8.5 pops.

Thanks. For Thick cards and autos in general, I like the BGS slabs because the card is in the protective sleeve and the label has a classic look. I also like CGC, with the auto grade on the back. SGC and PSA have a crowded label when the auto is included, especially PSA.

[valleynuckfan]

I miss his '97' signature

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by valleynuckfan

I miss his '97' signature

That is why I own the “97” copies. They are much more rare, especially on-card.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by kluke84

Awesome card! Ultimate is such a hard one to get a good grade, the BGS 8.5 pops.

Agree, for almost all patch auto cards I consider 8 and higher grade to be a highly collectible copy. Depending on the card and the specific condition issue I'd consider much lower. Fat cards are rarely gem out of the pack.

[The_Reverend]

Another 3 point night with 2 goals. 7 more goals to have 3 years starting his career with 40 plus goals s in each.

[Spinz]

I will say that Kirill Autos are in the Pastrnak Auto situation right now as far as NHL autos. Rookies only. I think, as an unbiased Minnesotan who has a soft spot for Kirill, his autos will stay consistent and everything else will drop. Yeah, some autos are dropping already but for the most part will stay stable IMO.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Spinz

I will say that Kirill Autos are in the Pastrnak Auto situation right now as far as NHL autos. Rookies only. I think, as an unbiased Minnesotan who has a soft spot for Kirill, his autos will stay consistent and everything else will drop. Yeah, some autos are dropping already but for the most part will stay stable IMO.

I focused only on his on card stuff. Rookies only is fine by me. With the exception of his silver autos, I have most of his “97” ones.

[anusinha]

Turns out he ended up with a decent regular season, 40+ goals, and should get 90+ points. Unless he really turns it up he's a bit too old to climb up the NHL all time lists so I question his long term hobby viability. Good player though.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by anusinha

Turns out he ended up with a decent regular season, 40+ goals, and should get 90+ points. Unless he really turns it up he's a bit too old to climb up the NHL all time lists so I question his long term hobby viability. Good player though.

He is fun to watch and over the next 5 years, especially once those bad contracts are off the books, they should be contenders. Currently he has no second fiddle like most of the top goal scores, but he is fun to watch. Long term is relative in this hobby now.

[Seahawks fan]

Kucherov is another Russian example of what do you have to do to get value? The guy is leading the NHL in points, 2 Stanley Cup wins, Hart trophy, etc. Never hear his name mentioned with the hobby darlings. Obviously that has to do with the market you play in. I think Kap would have to bring in the Wild's 1st cups to gain some legendary status/long term value.

[odjickfan]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

Kucherov is another Russian example of what do you have to do to get value? The guy is leading the NHL in points, 2 Stanley Cup wins, Hart trophy, etc. Never hear his name mentioned with the hobby darlings. Obviously that has to do with the market you play in. I think Kap would have to bring in the Wild's 1st cups to gain some legendary status/long term value.

There is something wrong with the attitude of Kucherov. Even if he plays very well, that gets noticed.

[JanuaryRains]

Originally Posted by Seahawks fan

Kucherov is another Russian example of what do you have to do to get value? The guy is leading the NHL in points, 2 Stanley Cup wins, Hart trophy, etc. Never hear his name mentioned with the hobby darlings. Obviously that has to do with the market you play in. I think Kap would have to bring in the Wild's 1st cups to gain some legendary status/long term value.

Wonder how much Kucherov's lack of traditional rookie cards hurts his collectability. Aside from YGs, he's missing most of the usual suspects - no FWA, Cup RPA, Ultimate, Ice, etc. He has a Prizm rookie though - the Gold and 1/1 would do big numbers.

[stoopid]

Originally Posted by odjickfan

There is something wrong with the attitude of Kucherov. Even if he plays very well, that gets noticed.

Originally Posted by JanuaryRains

Wonder how much Kucherov's lack of traditional rookie cards hurts his collectability. Aside from YGs, he's missing most of the usual suspects - no FWA, Cup RPA, Ultimate, Ice, etc. He has a Prizm rookie though - the Gold and 1/1 would do big numbers.

I believe both of these things work against Kucherov in the hobby. The third is recently losing long stints of games being injured. I personally avoid "injury prone" players.

[NotGoSportsBall]

Personally, I love Kuch’s attitude. ASG is a bore and totally contrived. I also respect that he stuck up for Vasi when he lost the Vezina to MAF. His shirtless presser was the stuff of legends.

Are you keeding? Number one BS.

[anusinha]

Leading the league in scoring at the moment, will he ever get back to his peak pricing?

[GKG51]

Kaprizov might be the best player in the league right now and could end up being the Wild's best franchise player. 6-8 more years of the way he's playing, he'll pass Gaborik.

[razorsharp]

Originally Posted by GKG51

Kaprizov might be the best player in the league right now and could end up being the Wild's best franchise player. 6-8 more years of the way he's playing, he'll pass Gaborik.

He already is the best player in Wild history.

Gaborik was never as good as Kirill is right now.