📈Is the correction over? What cards look attractive with an upside potential?📈

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by daeve

I'm not so sure. He's been largely ignored by the majority of collectors so idk about expectations with regard to pricing. I feel like this year has been the first of him getting more noticed, and if he wins another MVP/FMVP/Ship, it will cement him as an all-timer and I think it pushes him into a new category even for those who've largely ignored him up to this point.

A title this year I think puts him into the borderline top 10 all time and another puts him solidly in the top10

[ninjabum87]

Idk, he just looks so pasty and doughy on most cards. Idk how Panini does it but most action pics they use for him are ass.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Sports Card Collecting & Investing For Dummies Paperback – 1st edition, April 9, 2024

https://www.amazon.com/Sports-Card-C.../dp/1394225059

#1 Best Seller in Antique & Collectible Sports Cards. No reviews yet

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestseller...zg_b_bs_5111_1

"Geoff Wilson
Founder of Sports Card Investor"

Sports card investing for dummies is an apt description.

[drobfan8]

Still seeing constant relists of cards that "sell" for $1k plus, obviously shilled and went unpaid across ebay and cardhobby.

Until the Ls get taken, we haven't seen the bottom.

Still a ways to go. And the worst is yet to come. Great time for singles right now, there's no decent new product out.

Could get bad for certain bag holders

[Nomad]

I would argue that basically no one knows what to buy and card investors these days are really risk adverse. There is a lot of new blood coming into the playoffs, including the Lebron-heralded McConnell, and a lot for investors to digest. And look, this is a hobby where the 20 year old with the butane lit cigar is calling the big companies scammers. There is a lot of trust to rebuild.

[JumpshotMcGavin]

This exact card has done quite a few laps now...lol

2013 PANINI PRIZM GOLD KOBE BRYANT AUTO 10/10

Sold on PWCC Jan 2024 for $6300
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/item...ampaign=impact

Then sold on eBay March 2024 for $7300
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-14-Pan...3b8528&mkevt=1

Now back at PWCC weekly auction
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/item...140-bgs-9-mint

[johnscards]

Originally Posted by JumpshotMcGavin

This exact card has done quite a few laps now...lol

2013 PANINI PRIZM GOLD KOBE BRYANT AUTO 10/10

Sold on PWCC Jan 2024 for $6300
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/item...ampaign=impact

Then sold on eBay March 2024 for $7300
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-14-Pan...3b8528&mkevt=1

Now back at PWCC weekly auction
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/item...140-bgs-9-mint

Can confirm, I've been watching several key cards I want to add to my collection making laps in 2024 (two to three sales on multiple platforms). Each subsequent sale is an L for the seller. Lol. I just keep waiting because prices are still far too high, and I'm obviously not going to miss out on them with the frequency they are sold

[Nomad]

And yet, the exact moment they become affordable to pure collectors you will never see them again.

[mj2kb]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5qsn...RlODBiNWFlZA==

How much do you guys think this will go for in today's market?

[jacksonjj]

Originally Posted by mj2kb

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5qsn...RlODBiNWFlZA==

How much do you guys think this will go for in today's market?

4-5 mil

[KhalDrogo]

$1-2M.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by jacksonjj

4-5 mil

Uncle Powell is reducing that estimate as we speak.

[h00perstar34]

I’d say around 2 mill… hard to say whether or not authentic grade might keep it down a bit, even being the 1/1 logoman.


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[johnscards]

Originally Posted by mj2kb

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5qsn...RlODBiNWFlZA==

How much do you guys think this will go for in today's market?

I suspect somebody (from the 1997 MJ PMG green group) is going to do some consolidating to get in on that card. It's perfect for Nat. Might even be a group of guys. I'm guessing close to 7m.

[Ericc5Bears]

Originally Posted by daeve

I'm not so sure. He's been largely ignored by the majority of collectors so idk about expectations with regard to pricing. I feel like this year has been the first of him getting more noticed, and if he wins another MVP/FMVP/Ship, it will cement him as an all-timer and I think it pushes him into a new category even for those who've largely ignored him up to this point.

The reason I think Jokic will actually get a noticeable bump even though MVP/Ring/FMVP is usually priced in is because on equal cards, he currently sells for significantly lower than Luka and slightly lower than Giannis. There is a very realistic chance that 2 months from now he is a 29 year old with 3 MVPs, 2 Championships, and 2 finals MVP. Plus his 3 most important teammates are currently ages 27, 25, and 28. Meanwhile, Luka is only 4 years younger with 0 total MVPs/rings and Giannis is basically a full year older with less accolades stuck on a team that is super underwhelming, old, and has a terrible head coach. In the event Jokic gets it done again this year I would be surprised if the active player pyramid didn't turn into:

Lebron
Steph
Jokic
----------
Everybody else


I get he's a center, but he has the ball in his hands and is responsible for just as much playmaking as much as any guard/forward. I think eventually his accolades become undeniable and the market catches up.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by Ericc5Bears

The reason I think Jokic will actually get a noticeable bump even though MVP/Ring/FMVP is usually priced in is because on equal cards, he currently sells for significantly lower than Luka and slightly lower than Giannis. There is a very realistic chance that 2 months from now he is a 29 year old with 3 MVPs, 2 Championships, and 2 finals MVP. Plus his 3 most important teammates are currently ages 27, 25, and 28. Meanwhile, Luka is only 4 years younger with 0 total MVPs/rings and Giannis is basically a full year older with less accolades stuck on a team that is super underwhelming, old, and has a terrible head coach. In the event Jokic gets it done again this year I would be surprised if the active player pyramid didn't turn into:

Lebron
Steph
Jokic
----------
Everybody else


I get he's a center, but he has the ball in his hands and is responsible for just as much playmaking as much as any guard/forward. I think eventually his accolades become undeniable and the market catches up.

I would be more than hapoy for this to be true. But I don't think it will be.

From my favourite era the 00s.

It's Jordan and then Kobe

Then a big drop off to Shaq and AI

Then another drop to KG, who sells better than Tim Duncan in the same Non Rookie set.

Collectability isn't always about accolades, it is mostly about flair and personality.

Soon we'll be hearing Jokic get called a system player.

[Nomad]

I like the way he evaded that interview. New stealth fan.

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by mj2kb

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5qsn...RlODBiNWFlZA==

How much do you guys think this will go for in today's market?

My guess is $1.5 to 2.5 million but would not be surprised if fetches way higher than that. The news of a record sale might turn the tide.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

My guess is $1.5 to 2.5 million but would not be surprised if fetches way higher than that. The news of a record sale might turn the tide.

The tide doesn’t turn until the average consumer of sports cards sees there’s easy money to be made again in sports cards. That’s not happening. I see a lot of people trying to suggest things are on the rise. Outside of MJ and some pockets of the hobby, they are not. We’re flat at best to start this year. The last three years have been so bad that flat feels incredible. And this is with a strong economy and booming equities in the background during that time!

US rate hikes are coming and we all know it because we all feel the pain of increasing prices everywhere. I posted elsewhere that my mortgage taxes and insurance increased by $400/month in January. $400! I can withstand that because I was overly conservative when we bought our house. Most people can’t. And most people can’t withstand an equal percentage hike in their monthly payment. Luxuries like cards are the first to go when the rise in monthly expenses becomes unmanageable. It’s going to be an interesting next 12-24 months.

[Sheld505]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The tide doesn’t turn until the average consumer of sports cards sees there’s easy money to be made again in sports cards. That’s not happening. I see a lot of people trying to suggest things are on the rise. Outside of MJ and some pockets of the hobby, they are not. We’re flat at best to start this year. The last three years have been so bad that flat feels incredible. And this is with a strong economy and booming equities in the background during that time!

US rate hikes are coming and we all know it because we all feel the pain of increasing prices everywhere. I posted elsewhere that my mortgage taxes and insurance increased by $400/month in January. $400! I can withstand that because I was overly conservative when we bought our house. Most people can’t. And most people can’t withstand an equal percentage hike in their monthly payment. Luxuries like cards are the first to go when the rise in monthly expenses becomes unmanageable. It’s going to be an interesting next 12-24 months.

Yeah, the last paragraph sums it up. My mortage taxes and insurance increased by nearly $700/month. While we can handle it, the whole family will have to temper the extra spend for awhile...

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The tide doesn’t turn until the average consumer of sports cards sees there’s easy money to be made again in sports cards. That’s not happening. I see a lot of people trying to suggest things are on the rise. Outside of MJ and some pockets of the hobby, they are not. We’re flat at best to start this year. The last three years have been so bad that flat feels incredible. And this is with a strong economy and booming equities in the background during that time!

US rate hikes are coming and we all know it because we all feel the pain of increasing prices everywhere. I posted elsewhere that my mortgage taxes and insurance increased by $400/month in January. $400! I can withstand that because I was overly conservative when we bought our house. Most people can’t. And most people can’t withstand an equal percentage hike in their monthly payment. Luxuries like cards are the first to go when the rise in monthly expenses becomes unmanageable. It’s going to be an interesting next 12-24 months.

I should have been more specific. When I said it might turn the tide, I was referring to select segments such as rare and desirable and not the overall market. The last thing we want is another event similar to the pandemic pump where pretty much every card went up in price

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

I should have been more specific. When I said it might turn the tide, I was referring to select segments such as rare and desirable and not the overall market. The last thing we want is another event similar to the pandemic pump where pretty much every card went up in price

And like I’ve said before, the rare and desirable market is easy to manipulate and difficult to interpret.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The tide doesn’t turn until the average consumer of sports cards sees there’s easy money to be made again in sports cards. That’s not happening. I see a lot of people trying to suggest things are on the rise. Outside of MJ and some pockets of the hobby, they are not. We’re flat at best to start this year. The last three years have been so bad that flat feels incredible. And this is with a strong economy and booming equities in the background during that time!

US rate hikes are coming and we all know it because we all feel the pain of increasing prices everywhere. I posted elsewhere that my mortgage taxes and insurance increased by $400/month in January. $400! I can withstand that because I was overly conservative when we bought our house. Most people can’t. And most people can’t withstand an equal percentage hike in their monthly payment. Luxuries like cards are the first to go when the rise in monthly expenses becomes unmanageable. It’s going to be an interesting next 12-24 months.

It’s going to be an interesting next decade. With a sideways to declining market and the glut of product with cost of living pressure, it could get real ugly.

[boxbuster7]

I don't think the nuggets are repeating this year

[dengbang]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s going to be an interesting next decade. With a sideways to declining market and the glut of product with cost of living pressure, it could get real ugly.

Ugly for the ones that are over leveraged while following the advice of their favorite YouTuber. Some folks look forward to the bear market so they can buy up assets at a discount.

I do agree that there will be more living pressure and majority will have to adjust their lifestyle to accommodate that. I believe we are moving from a technical era to more of a conceptual one. People will have to learn new skills and be creative moreso now than any other time period. Society moves at such a fast pace nowadays that it's hard to predict anything, best to stay on the sidelines until things settle down a bit.

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